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Maybe it's how last cycle ended with us striking out, but it doesn't seem like we have a lot of better options that are highly interested in ND right now.
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Actually we are sitting very well with safeties like Chacho Ulloa, Devin Studstill and Ikenna Okeke. And these are better options than Lyke.
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Absolutely didn't mean it like that at all. It was just a matter of fact statement. I think ND will be just fine this cycle. '15's recruiting "shortcomings" and the this fall's record will make next year's haul a good one. There are 2-3 safeties here in SoCal that ND can pull out of the top 8 in the state, the lowest being a solid 3 star. Obviously could have had DJ Morgan and their are guys like Dismuke, Croom , Sukut and Keion Riley that rank at or above Lyke. The other thing that most don't understand... Mykelti Williams is going to be off the charts so as long as Redfield doesn't go pro, ND will be fine at S with a few good S's in the '16 cycle. If ND gets just one of the Mitchell, Studtill, Okeke's... ND will be sitting pretty.
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I'll go on record right now and say ND gets TWO safeties from CA in '16. They will come from Chacho Ulloa, CJ Pollard, Micah Croom, Marquel Dismuke Ben Sukut and Keyon Riley. What h out for Troy Dye and Bishop Gorman's Bubba Bolden.
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MSU is hot now. That's what winning does for you.
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They've been hot for a while but the roster has been thinning because of the NFL. This is their first real reload and they are getting a better rank of player this cycle. Good for them.
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I like the optimism but I'm not sure I agree. I really like where we stand with Ikenna Okeke and Devin Studstill with both visiting this summer. Also, I don't see how we don't play the long game for Fuller as he might be the best S prospect we have a legit shot at. Lastly, I really really like Lamar Jackson but we haven't even offered yet, bummer.
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I was gonna mention Jackson but I haven't heard there's been a even sniff. Plus hes out of my viewing area.
I've said watch out for Croom and Dismuke. They are both "under schooled" currently. There a lot of love for ND locally this year DB's. UCLA and SC have stocked up over the past two years and the rosters are getting full. Its night and day from last year. Its key to get back to 3rd while Cal is down, Oregon comes down a notch and U Dub and ASU go to the next level. Every few years, SoCal goes off with DB prospects. This is going on year 3 of a safety run. ND needs to be in position for every Max Redfield opportunity that presents itself.
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It is good for them but not good for us. The midwest seems to be establishing a new pecking order with ND and Michigan being down for awhile now.
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Everyone else
We really need a big year like....yeaterday.
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WHAT? Louisville and Wiscy are ahead of ND recruiting, since when? Answer: NEVER. We smoked those classes last year, not even close.
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Louisville? Wisconsin? I think you'd be hard pressed to prove those two are above ND and in regards to MSU, a half of a cycle does not make a trend. OSU... Same old same old.
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To his defense momentarily... He's talking a out Midwest recruits (I think). Even with that, D has out recruited everyone but OSU for Midwest kids until currently with MSU leading with Midwest kids halfway through this cycle.
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Let me also add that last years class was a quality class and this class isn't finished, not for quite awhile actually. There is zero trend of ND recruiting being down. Could it happen, of course but it hasn't yet.
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Still how could you make that argument. Last year we grabbed some of the Midwests best. We have the two best in OH right now. Are we getting everybody, no but it's not over and UL and UW certainly aren't.
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When have we been a dominant recruiter in the Midwest? We cherry pick the entire country and that has seemingly been our strategy forever. I'll worry when we're not pulling top 15 classes or pulling elite athletes. I haven't seen that as an issue here since Willingham.
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I'm talking about on field performance and perception of said programs. That's why I said we need to have a big year. Recruiting is important but to be honest, we routinely have top 5-15 recruiting classes but rarely finish the season in the top 20. So there is a disconnect there.
Sorry for the confusion.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Even with back to back poor seasons, nobody but you thinks ND is behind Louisville or Wisconsin. Everbody is behind OSU.
MSU is doing their thing. They've had a good run of turning 3,stars into players and Cook has turned out to be a baller but I'm a seller after this year. I think we've seen their peak...much like Stanford. ND's run starts. now and with the OL talent in the system and the pipeline and 5 years of Zaire Kizer and Winbush. They're locked in.
Lucky...
I'd go on record right now that MSU has an edge in recruiting through half a cycle. Not really in commits but leans. They have a movement going and a couple of Irish targets are entertaining it. Do I think Sparty holds that lead through NSD? Not a chance. A 10+ win Irish team will poach some commits and be popular on all star game announcements.
And they're winning 10 this year even if MVG plays.
Even with back to back poor seasons, nobody but you thinks ND is behind Louisville or Wisconsin. Everbody is behind OSU.
MSU is doing their thing. They've had a good run of turning 3,stars into players and Cook has turned out to be a baller but I'm a seller after this year. I think we've seen their peak...much like Stanford. ND's run starts. now and with the OL talent in the system and the pipeline and 5 years of Zaire Kizer and Winbush. They're locked in.
Lucky...
I'd go on record right now that MSU has an edge in recruiting through half a cycle. Not really in commits but leans. They have a movement going and a couple of Irish targets are entertaining it. Do I think Sparty holds that lead through NSD? Not a chance. A 10+ win Irish team will poach some commits and be popular on all star game announcements.
And they're winning 10 this year even if MVG plays.
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The thing about MSU is they're a complete culture and academic world away from ND. I don't really feel bad about about losing kids to MSU because 1) I enjoy UM schadenfreude almost as much as I enjoy ND success, and MSU's success is a part of that 2) a kid choosing MSU usually means they wouldn't have been a great fit with ND anyway 3) at least they're not going to a major rival and 4) BK seems to have MSU's number no matter how well they do.
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I completely agree that they have more momentum right now but that's all it is. Nothing's complete, nothing is finished. The only thing finished is last years class which was good. I'm just saying there is no trend, not even close, of those teams (except OSU) out recruiting ND.
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They have won 11 or more games in 4 out of the past 5 years. They are are clearly a better program than we are.
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Recruiting, we are talking about two different things, clearly. Made sure to put that in my post.
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Kelly is 3-1 vs sparty. Not to mention they play in a crap conference.
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^This 100%
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You might want to read what you are responding to before quoting it.
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"My mother asked my 7-year-old daughter 'What school are you going to when it's time for you to go to college?' And she said 'This one!'" Williams-Fort said regarding Notre Dame. "She was impressed, I was impressed, and my mother was impressed. It's hard to say no to a school like that, it was very difficult.
"It kind of almost got down to just the two, and it was really a tossup between Notre Dame and Michigan State. They're both close to home. Notre Dame is obviously a great program; the academics are off the meter. We wanted to get down to Notre Dame actually on Monday (May 18), but Kenney has been sick and was recovering from that so we didn't get to make it. But at the end of the day, they did come in with the offer kind of late, and he just wanted to get this whole process behind him. He just felt at home with them at Michigan State. They have an amazing recruiting class coming in that they're already bonding with through group chats and calls."
"Notre Dame had me sold since the first visit, it's a very hard school to say no to," Williams-Fort said. "But during that waiting period, that's when he started to build his bond with these Michigan State guys — and that's hard to break, when a kid feels like he fits in.
"Notre Dame has been in contact constantly up to this day, they haven't actually said yet they're going to continue recruiting him though," Williams-Fort said. "But schools like Baylor and Oregon have already said that they will continue recruiting him, schools that feel like 'Hey, we'll see what Signing Day holds.'
"Decommitting is something that is frowned upon, you want to ride it out. But like I said, Notre Dame has always been one of my favorites. When you take the football out of it, Notre Dame wins hands down, so you just never know what happens. We've had a lot of schools say 'We don't care what happens today, we're still going to recruit you, we still want you to come up here and visit.' But again, like I said, I'm not going to try to change his mind. I'm going to support the decision he's made."
"He's definitely very solid, I'm not going to be one to try to waiver his decision. I'll let him deal with it as he sees fit. Of course, if he needs any support he can lean on me. But it's the decision he made, I'm going to support him."
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"It kind of almost got down to just the two, and it was really a tossup between Notre Dame and Michigan State. They're both close to home. Notre Dame is obviously a great program; the academics are off the meter. We wanted to get down to Notre Dame actually on Monday (May 18), but Kenney has been sick and was recovering from that so we didn't get to make it. But at the end of the day, they did come in with the offer kind of late, and he just wanted to get this whole process behind him. He just felt at home with them at Michigan State. They have an amazing recruiting class coming in that they're already bonding with through group chats and calls."
"Notre Dame had me sold since the first visit, it's a very hard school to say no to," Williams-Fort said. "But during that waiting period, that's when he started to build his bond with these Michigan State guys — and that's hard to break, when a kid feels like he fits in.
"Notre Dame has been in contact constantly up to this day, they haven't actually said yet they're going to continue recruiting him though," Williams-Fort said. "But schools like Baylor and Oregon have already said that they will continue recruiting him, schools that feel like 'Hey, we'll see what Signing Day holds.'
"Decommitting is something that is frowned upon, you want to ride it out. But like I said, Notre Dame has always been one of my favorites. When you take the football out of it, Notre Dame wins hands down, so you just never know what happens. We've had a lot of schools say 'We don't care what happens today, we're still going to recruit you, we still want you to come up here and visit.' But again, like I said, I'm not going to try to change his mind. I'm going to support the decision he's made."
"He's definitely very solid, I'm not going to be one to try to waiver his decision. I'll let him deal with it as he sees fit. Of course, if he needs any support he can lean on me. But it's the decision he made, I'm going to support him."
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