Duggar Family

[IrishLion]

I find it odd how much make-up the women in the family wear since they are so traditional.

Traditional in terms of their beliefs on pre-marital relations... They still gotta look good I guess haha.

(I won't lie. Several of the oldest girls are attractive.)

 

[woolybug25]

Also did he molest his sisters or brothers or both?

Four of his sisters and an additional female victim. I cant find any info on who the "additional female victim" was, but if it was outside of his family, then his father also may have hid the molestation of a child from their parents. That's speculation, but it would explain his immediate move to the "Training Center".

He talked to God about it though... so nothing to see here...

 

[woolybug25]

These "current events" heavily involve religion as part of the discussion.

You knew what would happen when you started this thread haha.

I expected someone to come in and empathize with a child molester, using religion as the reasoning?

I'm sorry, but I honestly didn't see that coming.

 

[IrishLion]

I expected someone to come in and empathize with a child molester, using religion as the reasoning?

I'm sorry, but I honestly didn't see that coming.

I don't see how anyone could empathize ASIDE from the religious angle. Forgiveness of sin and all that jazz.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't see how anyone could empathize ASIDE from the religious angle. Forgiveness of sin and all that jazz.

I suppose the thought of someone being cool with somebody molesting children, as long as they claim to have prayed about it, seems bizarre to me. The thought of someone empathizing with a pederast is something I didn't expect at all honestly... for any reason, really.

 

[connor_in]

His point is that it doesn't make him worse before God. Sin is sin.

 

[pkt77242]

Traditional in terms of their beliefs on pre-marital relations... They still gotta look good I guess haha.

(I won't lie. Several of the oldest girls are attractive.)

Agreed.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I expected someone to come in and empathize with a child molester, using religion as the reasoning?

I'm sorry, but I honestly didn't see that coming.

We empathize with this individual not as a child molester per say. If he or anyone were to molest a child and that's where the story ends, then there is zero empathy.

We empathize with a sinner who happens to be a child molester who found forgiveness with those that he offended and with God. We all have sinned. I know I fail my God so many times and sin against him. We know what it's like to feel so unworthy of God's love. But we know the wonder of forgiveness and a restored relationship with Christ. We empathize with someone who has been restored to a right relationship with God.

God can restore anyone, even child molesters and murderers. I don't know how he does it, but he is God.

 

[Cali_domer]

My family went through an ordeal like this . It absolutely shook my family to the core and after much prayer and relying on God the process of forgiveness toward the man is happening. Forgiveness does not mean that the perpetrator shouldn't go to jail(Thankfully he is) . We don't condone the behavior we just have to find a way to forgive him like it is commanded of us to do.

 

[IrishLion]

I suppose the thought of someone being cool with somebody molesting children, as long as they claim to have prayed about it, seems bizarre to me. The thought of someone empathizing with a pederast is something I didn't expect at all honestly... for any reason, really.

There's a difference between "being cool with" and "forgiveness through God."

I think the Duggars are odd people, despite the respect I have for the way they live. But that goes back to the fact that I don't judge them for being super religious and conservative, the same way I don't judge atheists for not believing in a supreme being of some sort.

I will judge a creep for being a creep, though, like this Josh guy who appears to be a predator. But I also don't think that should excuse the "Bible-thumping" angle from the discussion.

I'm not a religious person though, so perhaps I will excuse myself from further commentary.

 

[pkt77242]

I think it is ridiculous that statue of limitations for child molestation is so short.

 

[dublinirish]

We empathize with a sinner who happens to be a child molester who found forgiveness with those that he offended

it would be extremely hard for his victims to come out against the whole family and say what he did was wrong and label him a predator. the peer pressure would be intense, plus they are kids themselves

 

[ab2cmiller]

it would be extremely hard for his victims to come out against the whole family and say what he did was wrong and label him a predator. the peer pressure would be intense, plus they are kids themselves

Understood. We also don't know if Josh is being truthful and sincere when he says he sought forgiveness from everyone including God. The only people that know if Josh has been "truly restored" are Josh and God. Likewise, we don't know if the "offended" have truly forgiven Josh. Only God knows.

 

[woolybug25]

Understood. We also don't know if Josh is being truthful and sincere when he says he sought forgiveness from everyone including God. The only people that know if Josh has been "truly restored" are Josh and God. Likewise, we don't know if the "offended" have truly forgiven Josh. Only God knows.

But meanwhile, everyone involved can hide behind the banner of christianity and let a child molester go unpunished. Seems reasonable.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/posts/653931128073873

some questionable comments on there

And in this thread!

I cannot believe how much 'stuff' people are willing to make up, to justify their own poor behavior!

We empathize with this individual not as a child molester per say. If he or anyone were to molest a child and that's where the story ends, then there is zero empathy.

We empathize with a sinner who happens to be a child molester who found forgiveness with those that he offended and with God. We all have sinned. I know I fail my God so many times and sin against him. We know what it's like to feel so unworthy of God's love. But we know the wonder of forgiveness and a restored relationship with Christ. We empathize with someone who has been restored to a right relationship with God.

God can restore anyone, even child molesters and murderers. I don't know how he does it, but he is God.

Two things; it is "per se" not say. And this kid is a motherfu**ing child molester. Call him Chester!

Anyone who knows about or scientifically studies molesters know that it is about power and control, sleeping is the key here. And, anyone who knows about molesters knows that it takes the victim a while to establish a sexual relationship with a child; it takes a long while and usually progresses slowly.

Since most molesters are relative dumb-asses, they often get caught early, before they have taken their activates to their ultimate goal. So people hear of genital fondling, etc., and say, "Oh, that is not so bad," but it is. The average fondling of a child by an adult is full blown molestation on the most severe form, just caught early.

The most important point is even if it gets caught "early" it is still tremendously damaging, and creates incredible self-image and trust issues for the victim!

For any people that want to defend this useless, undersized left-nut of a creep on a "Christian" values basis, Fvck you, sincerely! I have not seen one person from any Christian perspective offer the empathy to the victims they have to this schmuck!

We are all born into sin. There is no scale in the sight of God that deems one worse than another. We are separated from Him through sin and the only way to be forgiven is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

So you say. I say "you", not because I am trying to pick on you, but you in the sense of a group (Fundamental Christians.) At least two of the four parts of your assertions are not actually found in a scriptural source actually tied to Jesus's Word.

I like to ask people whether they could see Mahatma Gandhi in heaven. It is one of three questions that I believe separates the sincere from the disingenuous, or even the few that are just stupid.

And as to the attractiveness of victims, (what sexual perpetrator is going to pick mud ugly?), that makes no matter, just like how "far" the perpetrator went doesn't matter.

I will tell you a story about a guy I know that always promised he would blow anyone's head off that messed with his kids. His ex-wife remarried a piece of work that beat, and abused multiple members of the family. It turns out he was fondling the two of the children, a boy and a girl. Courts and Children Services investigated after the kids disclosed, and found the charges warranted. My friend was getting ready to blow the nuts off this mother fucker, and I was able to sit down and talk to him. I asked him one question, "If you kill him, who will take care of your kids?" He stood down, won full custody and things have been rough, but working out.

The caveat to this story is the molester hired a guy who specializes in defending these kinds of people. 20k retainer, whether it goes to trial or not, attorney offers no refunds. This piece of shit attorney, routinely destroys these kids when testifying, so much so, that the local prosecutor will not even file in cases without corroborating witnesses, and physical evidence!

Which brings up a final point. The prosecutor leaves these cases open and unfiled in a way so that if the perpetrator is ever investigated again the original incident will be flagged, and they can proceed to file charges. There is a way of doing this in Ohio without risking running time out through a statute of limitations. I don't understand all the ins and outs but two things I know are that Ohio, (like many other states) has laws that make reaching the age of majority (victim) a minimum, when felony is pegged at six years, and if the crime is not reported, the statute of limitations does not begin. This is to give a clear point to the repressed memory syndrome, and the fact that most victims of sexual abuse are less likely to report than are rape victims.

 

[Corry]

Understood. We also don't know if Josh is being truthful and sincere when he says he sought forgiveness from everyone including God. The only people that know if Josh has been "truly restored" are Josh and God. Likewise, we don't know if the "offended" have truly forgiven Josh. Only God knows.

It doesn't matter if he is being truthful or sincere, it doesn't matter if sought forgiveness. The mother fucker touched kids. Nothing he does matters. He can not be forgiven.

 

[ND NYC]

shocked at all the Duggar support here.

i'm with wooly and corry 100% on this.

cover up of the highest order, all whilst running for cover under the cloak of their religion and saying "alls well nothing to see here" because "we are all sinners and all is forgiven".

what is going on here?

 

[GoldenDome]

People sympathizing for the biggest hypocrite petter ass who tells people how to live their lives. He advocates how a traditional family not 'should' be but 'ought' to be through political advocacy groups. So by admission of his own actions, the traditional family 'ought' to be filled with molestation. Next time he tries to tell any LGBTQ how to live their lives, tell him to stop molesting girls. The nerve.

"Do as I say, not as I do"

I feel zero sympathy for him for the lives he directly and indirectly negatively impacted.

 

[MNIrishman]

It doesn't matter if he is being truthful or sincere, it doesn't matter if sought forgiveness. The mother fucker touched kids. Nothing he does matters. He can not be forgiven.

That's a terrible thing to do for sure but the Bible would disagree with you:

First John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

 

[Cali_domer]

I have not heard one person said what the kid did was right. It is disgusting and he should have spent time in jail, but that does not mean you can't forgive him
It is about forgiveness, I am shocked fans of a Catholic University are having a tough time with understanding this term.

 

[woolybug25]

I have not heard one person said what the kid did was right.
It is about forgiveness, I am shocked fans of a Catholic University are having a tough time with understanding this term.

Nobody claimed you did. We're just appalled that there is empathy for him simply because he claimed to confess his sins to God. You are all seemingly okay with the Duggar family covering up multiple child molestations, the perpetrator himself and give everyone a pass on CRIMINAL acts simply because he claimed to confess to God.

We never said that you are all okay with child molestation, we said we are appalled at your acceptance of it as long as the perpetrator confesses. Apparently people can do whatever twisted thing they want as long as they tell you they prayed about it.

 

[pkt77242]

I have not heard one person said what the kid did was right.
It is about forgiveness, I am shocked fans of a Catholic University are having a tough time with understanding this term.

There are things that I can forgive, and then there are things that go beyond the pale. Child molesting is beyond the pale and in my opinion unforgivable. Sorry. If there is a Hell, there will be a special spot for him when he gets there.

Lets put it another way. That family cared more about protecting its image then doing the right thing. Letting someone who sexually preyed upon your children to stay around them after you found out is horrific, and really should be a crime itself (child neglect or child endangerment). In my opinion, the parents are almost as bad as Josh.

 

[connor_in]

Is it just me or does it seem that the breakdown is due to people arguing different things?

Religious view
Legal view
Personal view

I am an individual and while I understand that he was a minor and the statute of limitations has expired and no charges were ever brought (legal); I also, understand that he has sought forgiveness from God and and his victims and his family (religious) and (apparently?) hasn't done it since...that said, I, a somewhat religious and flawed man, who should "judge not lest he be judged" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone", completely understand the anger (and does not excuse it) towards this man for what he did (especially as it involves children) and would not want to have him anywhere near my kid. He may "get right with God", but I don't see how he would ever get right with me (personal).


EDIT
PS: I know of the family and show but have never had any interest to watch or follow any of it/them

 

[Irish Insanity]

There are things that I can forgive, and then there are things that go beyond the pale. Child molesting is beyond the pale and in my opinion unforgivable. Sorry. If there is a Hell, there will be a special spot for him when he gets there.

Lets put it another way. That family cared more about protecting its image then doing the right thing. Letting someone who sexually preyed upon your children to stay around them after you found out is horrific, and really should be a crime itself (child neglect or child endangerment). In my opinion, the parents are almost as bad as Josh.

This^
Very well stated.

 

[Cali_domer]

Nobody claimed you did. We're just appalled that there is empathy for him simply because he claimed to confess his sins to God. You are all seemingly okay with the Duggar family covering up multiple child molestations, the perpetrator himself and give everyone a pass on CRIMINAL acts simply because he claimed to confess to God.

We never said that you are all okay with child molestation, we said we are appalled at your acceptance of it as long as the perpetrator confesses. Apparently people can do whatever twisted thing they want as long as they tell you they prayed about it.

Never said I was okay with them covering it up. I do believe I said he should be in jail. I said FORGIVENESS. It does not mean you escape punishment for earthly issues. This issue hits close to home with me because this issue has touched my family and the power of forgiveness is amazing.

 

[GoldenDome]

Still no news story on ChristianToday. But they did have a riveting story about what Tim Tebow's ex teammates had to say about him. Another story that the Duggar family could recite all of the children's birthdays.

Christian News on Christian Today

Honestly, you would think a Christian source for news of all sources would show some integrity and humility. Further brainwashing for the myopic.

 

[woolybug25]

Never said I was okay with them covering it up. I do believe I said he should be in jail. I said FORGIVENESS. It does not mean you escape punishment for earthly issues. This issue hits close to home with m

Don't come at me with that "this is personal to me" BS. Everybody has the right to their opinion and I made the damn thread. So gtfo with that "back off" talk.

If someone molested my child, I sure as hell am not forgiving them for it. If that makes me a bad Christian, then so be it. I'm not going to put my beliefs over the feelings of my loved ones. Call that whatever you want.

 

[Cali_domer]

Don't come at me with that "this is personal to me" BS. Everybody has the right to their opinion and I made the damn thread. So gtfo with that "back off" talk.

If someone molested my child, I sure as hell am not forgiving them for it. If that makes me a bad Christian, then so be it. I'm not going to put my beliefs over the feelings of my loved ones. Call that whatever you want.

If someone touched my children(I have 3) I would be incredibly pissed off and want to kill. But I would absolutely know that I have to let go and forgive otherwise the crime wins. Evil would win.

Back off talk was deleted because it came off wrong. I am sorry for that statement.

Done with this topic...

 

[phork]

Sorry, I have no forgiveness for child molestors and rapists. While these weren't violent rapes they still leave a stain on the victims.

My forgiveness looks like this:

 

[IrishinTN]

If someone molested my child, I sure as hell am not forgiving them for it. If that makes me a bad Christian, then so be it. I'm not going to put my beliefs over the feelings of my loved ones. Call that whatever you want.

I think this would be the most difficult thing for anyone to do, even the most devout. How do you forgive someone who hurt your kid? Not sure I could, either. I know I'm supposed to, but I am only human.

I think covering the whole this up is an awful shame. But folks, Evangelical or otherwise, shouldn't watch TV families (and I know most of you probably weren't. I never watched this show, either) shouldn't use it as the epitome of what an evangelical Christian family looks like. But they do get touted out there so I understand why folks would.

My heart goes out to the victims. I love kids. I coach them. I assist at 3rd grade at my school, I teach 3rd grade Sunday School. I work with them all the time because they are such wonderful little pieces of clay. If I thought someone was hurting any one of those under my tutelage, I can, and have, intervened and I always will.

I leave the question of forgiveness between his victims, him and God. A truly sad situation.