Mayweather-Pacquiao: May 2nd, 2015

[Black Irish]

False. One wrong move on the ground and the oxygen to your brain is cut off. I also take it you never wrestled or you would understand that grappling on the ground is in no way shape or form resting. I cannot stand when guys are battling for position on the ground and uneducated crowd starts to boo. Also, its not a mutual decision to just fall down on the ground and stall like it is to hug in boxing. Somebody has to get the other man to the ground.

That still doesn't change the fact that it is boring as f*** to watch. And you used a key word "battle." A battle indicates dynamic movement. Stalling, on the other hand, better describes what some of these guys are doing. Stalling is buying time so that you can plan your next move, and, in doing so, you are also buying time for yourself physically so that you can pull in air and give your body a break. You don't have to be an ex-wrestler to see the difference between guys furiously battling for position on the mat versus a gassed-out fighter hugging another guy's back, sucking wind while he's trying to get a submission hold in place. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's dull. It's inside baseball, so don't get annoyed at the casual observer for not swooning over the technical minutiae.

 

[ACamp1900]

I've tried to watch MMA.... I'm with BI, it's boring as all hell,... And I don't see the art form the way I do boxing... Just me, I'll take boxing going away.

 

[NDdomer2]

The thing that drives me crazy with mma is you hear a fight promoted for month + and it ends in 30 seconds with an arm bar. Blah.

I know there's skill involved and all that jazz but very anti climatic, and far too often. At least in boxing you are likely to "get your moneys worth", so to speak as far as time you get to spend watching.

 

[woolybug25]

Sugar Ray Robinson beat his wife regularly and his son believes it was the cause for his mothers multiple miscarriages.

Classy guy. Do people hate Sugar Ray Robinson as they hate Mayweather? Or do people regard him as an all time great?

Hmm....

It was a different time and people didn't know the scope of his indiscretions. I'm sure if they did, they would feel the same way.

I don't want to speak for others, but I never said that Mayweather isn't a great fighter (just like Sugar Ray Robinson) but he is a shit human being. Just because people don't have knowledge of one man's shittyness, doesn't mean that another's is somehow okay.

Mayweather is a great fighter, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a dreg on society. In a just world, he wouldn't be a world champion, simply because the karmic balance of the world would make him pay for the harm he has added to the world.

I hope Manny is the undertaker.

 

[Irish#1]

I guess boxing is dead to me. Just knowing that every guy at their weight in MMA would make them scream for their bodyguards kills it for me.

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Total BS............If MMA fighters had to box, they'd be doing the same thing. It's two different sports. One is governed by a set of rules put in place. The other is simply street fighting where pretty much anything goes.

 

[Irish#1]

False. One wrong move on the ground and the oxygen to your brain is cut off. I also take it you never wrestled or you would understand that grappling on the ground is in no way shape or form resting. I cannot stand when guys are battling for position on the ground and uneducated crowd starts to boo. Also, its not a mutual decision to just fall down on the ground and stall like it is to hug in boxing. Somebody has to get the other man to the ground.

Family full of wrestlers, so I appreciate that aspect, but your signature clip explains perfectly why I'm not a fan of MMA. When a guy goes to the canvas unprotected, the other fighter shouldn't be able to flail away at the back of a guys head. What's the point? If he goes down the other fighter should have to go to the mat and lock up with him or not be able to flail like that.

 

[GoldenDome]

4.4 m PPV buys and more than $400m in tv revenue. So what was that MMA fan? The fight revenue is well over half a billion dollars. Mayweather take home is around $210m in one night. Yikes!

 

[GoldenDomer]

4.4 m PPV buys and more than $400m in tv revenue. So what was that MMA fan? The fight revenue is well over half a billion dollars. Mayweather take home is around $210m in one night. Yikes!

Did any MMA fan on here argue that MMA stars make more than boxing stars?

Now go look at the dudes making $500 bucks to fight on ESPN cards, where the least a fighter can take home in a UFC fight (not counting sponsors) is $8k.

 

[Axl Rose]

4.4 m PPV buys and more than $400m in tv revenue. So what was that MMA fan? The fight revenue is well over half a billion dollars. Mayweather take home is around $210m in one night. Yikes!

You're bragging about 4.4 million people being ripped off of a 100$? That "fight" did great at the box office but at what expense, was one night worth another black eye for boxing. MMA keeps growing and the product keeps getting better.

 

[GoldenDome]

Did any MMA fan on here argue that MMA stars make more than boxing stars?

Now go look at the dudes making $500 bucks to fight on ESPN cards, where the least a fighter can take home in a UFC fight (not counting sponsors) is $8k.

Well I believe some say it is about popularity and to me, it is not even close. Top event in boxing trumps the top event in MMA. Numbers could have been even higher if the ppv system didn't crash. I remember some say repeatedly how boxing is dying when in fact they can gross over $500m in one night. I bet Mayweather made more in one fight than all the UFC fighters made in one year combined. Put that into perspective. Manny came out good too. $140m I believe. I would bet he made more than all the UFC fighters made in one year combined.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Well I believe some say it is about popularity and to me, it is not even close. Top event in boxing trumps the top event in MMA. Numbers could have been even higher if the ppv system didn't crash. I remember some say repeatedly how boxing is dying when in fact they can gross over $500m in one night. I bet Mayweather made more in one fight than all the UFC fighters made in one year combined. Put that into perspective. Manny came out good too. $140m I believe. I would bet he made more than all the UFC fighters made in one year combined.

Well, that's not true so I'll respond to the first part.

Yes, a boxing match that people wait years to watch gets massive attention.

1.) How old is boxing?
2.) The UFC gives their fans the fights they want, when they want them, so there isn't years of anticipation leading to one fight.
3.) This is also one case. Shortly before this fight, the heavyweight champ put his belt on the line, fighting in MSG, and nobody said a word about it. A week after this fight, Canelo Alvarez, a young, former champ with 1 loss to Floyd, fought and nobody said a word.

 

[GoldenDome]

Well, that's not true so I'll respond to the first part.

Yes, a boxing match that people wait years to watch gets massive attention.

1.) How old is boxing?
2.) The UFC gives their fans the fights they want, when they want them, so there isn't years of anticipation leading to one fight.
3.) This is also one case. Shortly before this fight, the heavyweight champ put his belt on the line, fighting in MSG, and nobody said a word about it. A week after this fight, Canelo Alvarez, a young, former champ with 1 loss to Floyd, fought and nobody said a word.

Prove it. Numbers say otherwise.

 

[Axl Rose]

Well I believe some say it is about popularity and to me, it is not even close. Top event in boxing trumps the top event in MMA. Numbers could have been even higher if the ppv system didn't crash. I remember some say repeatedly how boxing is dying when in fact they can gross over $500m in one night. I bet Mayweather made more in one fight than all the UFC fighters made in one year combined. Put that into perspective. Manny came out good too. $140m I believe. I would bet he made more than all the UFC fighters made in one year combined.

While 4.4 million buys in one night is nice, you do realize that UFC has sold upwards of 9 million buys in one year which is still a record. In fact UFC sells more PPV's in one year than boxing, Wrestling, or anything else on PPV. Like I said having a record breaking night was nice for boxing but im sure UFC prefers doing PPV's every month and being consistent than doing PPV's 3 or 4 times a year that may vary widely. Add to the fact UFC is being paid 100 million dollars by FOX for their TV rights, have merchandising and video game deals, and international deals as well UFC easily makes more money than any boxing promoter by a mile. In fact thats why the most powerful boxing promoter is now trying to copy UFC's formula with PBC( unsuccessfully I might add).

By the way if money is your criteria for popularity you might be interested to know the UFC was valued at 1.65 billion dollars last year by forbes. I'd be interested if you can find a boxing promoter with anywhere near that value.

 

[Woneone]

Prove it. Numbers say otherwise.

Boxing is like Horse Racing. You care 3 times a year (when Mayweather / Pac fight). Other than that, not so much.

Here are the top 7 PPV from 2012 (sorry, couldn't find someone who already compiled the data for me from a more recent date, and I don't have the time):

1. Boxing - May 5 - Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto 1,500,000
2. Boxing - December 8 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 1,150,000
3. UFC 148 - July 7 - Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen 925,000
4. WWE WrestleMania - April 1 - The Rock vs. John Cena 715,000
5. UFC 145 - April 21 - Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans 700,000
5. UFC 154 - November 17 - Georges St-Pierre vs. Carlos Condit 700,000
5. Boxing - June 9 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Timothy Bradley 700,000

When Pac can't return from his shoulder surgery, what then?

If Mayweather does in fact hang it up in September, what then?

The April 25th fight between Wladimir Klitschko, the WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO and The Ring heavyweight title holder, and Bryant Jennings, an undefeated AMERICAN (who boxing desperately needs) drew 1.7 mil viewers on HBO.

Anthony Johnson vs. Alexander Gustafsson did 2.82 million on Fox. Two guys with no titles.

 

[BobbyMac]

Prove it. Numbers say otherwise.

It's YOU who needs to look at the numbers for recent boxing / Mayweather PPV buys excluding the Pac fight. They are nothing special. Mayweather - Canelo did less than Wiedman - Silva II. The UFC has an event every month, sometimes two that do on average 400,000. They also have 10 cable events per year. They do volume. This was boxing's biggest night since Mayweather - De La Hoya 8 years ago which only did half the numbers but spent $30 million less promoting it. It was manufactured pent up demand that is only possible once a decade. If Floyd and the top 10 boxers formed the UBC and fought every month, the sport would be dead on the vine in less than 6 months. It's fricking boring watching 140 pound men only hitting each other and you KNOW it's going to the cards. YAWN. Hell, if it wasn't for the Mexican-American buy rate, boxing would REALLY be dead. This was your last hurrah, ask the other 4.399999M other people who bought the fight. Hold on a second....

There's a Mr. Barnum on line 1 GoldenDome, says he wants to ask you about the minute you were born.

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[AvesEvo]

A coworker of mines father owns a small bar. He wanted to show the fight on two tvs and Vast wanted to charge him $50,000!!!

 

[GoldenDome]

Boxing is like Horse Racing. You care 3 times a year (when Mayweather / Pac fight). Other than that, not so much.

Here are the top 7 PPV from 2012 (sorry, couldn't find someone who already compiled the data for me from a more recent date, and I don't have the time):

1. Boxing - May 5 - Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto 1,500,000
2. Boxing - December 8 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez 1,150,000
3. UFC 148 - July 7 - Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen 925,000
4. WWE WrestleMania - April 1 - The Rock vs. John Cena 715,000
5. UFC 145 - April 21 - Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans 700,000
5. UFC 154 - November 17 - Georges St-Pierre vs. Carlos Condit 700,000
5. Boxing - June 9 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Timothy Bradley 700,000

When Pac can't return from his shoulder surgery, what then?

If Mayweather does in fact hang it up in September, what then?

The April 25th fight between Wladimir Klitschko, the WBA, IBF, WBO, IBO and The Ring heavyweight title holder, and Bryant Jennings, an undefeated AMERICAN (who boxing desperately needs) drew 1.7 mil viewers on HBO.

Anthony Johnson vs. Alexander Gustafsson did 2.82 million on Fox. Two guys with no titles.

Fox is free. Stop it.

Price is inversely correlated to sales. That is basic economics. Consider boxing costs $70 for PPV and Mayweather Pac was $100. PPV buy rate must be weighed with revenue because obviously they could have done bigger numbers for less money.

Your list doesn't even include De La Hoya Mayweather, which is the second biggest PPV event in history now. How you exclude that shows how biased your list is or how misinformed you are about PPV numbers.

The fact that you are comparing free basic tv which everyone with bunny ears has to premium cable shows just how bad a comparison it is. Wow.

 

[Woneone]

Fox is free. Stop it.

Price is inversely correlated to sales. That is basic economics. Consider boxing costs $70 for PPV and Mayweather Pac was $100. PPV buy rate must be weighed with revenue because obviously they could have done bigger numbers for less money.

Your list doesn't even include De La Hoya Mayweather, which is the second biggest PPV event in history now. How you exclude that shows how biased your list is or how misinformed you are about PPV numbers.

The fact that you are comparing free basic tv which everyone with bunny ears has to premium cable shows just how bad a comparison it is. Wow.

Exactly my point.

If boxing was as relevant as you say, why is it relegated to HBO? Why isn't it mainstream? Why isn't it on Fox?

Oh wait, we have the PBC on NBC. Here are the numbers so far:

PBC on NBC (2 cards): 3.13 million viewers
UFC on Fox (14 cards): 3.34 million viewers

Pretty close right? We'll see how the trend holds. Oh, then there's the little tiddy about PBC actually paying NBC to broadcast it. That's right. No one mainstream wanted it, so boxing had to pay a channel to carry it. Nice.

Tell me, what does basic economics say about having to pay a third party to carry your product, while your competition is being paid to air theirs?

And what year was Mayweather / De La Hoya? Guess my bias to inform you that I was only listing 2012 ppv numbers showed through, huh? Jesus man. If you're going to post a snide remark, make sure you at least, you know, read the post.

Edit: I will give you the benefit of the doubt on the 2012 thing. It does read funny (although, I would assume given the dates and the fights listed, one would think I was referring to IN 2012, not UP UNTIL 2012).

 

[Axl Rose]

Exactly my point.

If boxing was as relevant as you say, why is it relegated to HBO? Why isn't it mainstream? Why isn't it on Fox?

Oh wait, we have the PBC on NBC. Here are the numbers so far:

PBC on NBC (2 cards): 3.13 million viewers
UFC on Fox (14 cards): 3.34 million viewers

Pretty close right? We'll see how the trend holds. Oh, then there's the little tiddy about PBC actually paying NBC to broadcast it. That's right. No one mainstream wanted it, so boxing had to pay a channel to carry it. Nice.

Tell me, what does basic economics say about having to pay a third party to carry your product, while your competition is being paid to air theirs?

And what year was Mayweather / De La Hoya? Guess my bias to inform you that I was only listing 2012 ppv numbers showed through, huh? Jesus man. If you're going to post a snide remark, make sure you at least, you know, read the post.

Edit: I will give you the benefit of the doubt on the 2012 thing. It does read funny (although, I would assume given the dates and the fights listed, one would think I was referring to IN 2012, not UP UNTIL 2012).

BTW, Fox is paying UFC for the right to air UFC for 100 million dollars a year. PBC has to pay to be on TV, all their shows are timebuys.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Prove it. Numbers say otherwise.

UFC 183's total Fight Purse was $2,342,000. This doesn't not include any sponsors (Avg. fighters are making 100k in sponsors per fight), or cuts from the PPV (probably north of a million or close to it). The UFC puts on over 30 events a year.

We're also comparing what has been deemed "the last big fight" in a century old sport, to a sport that has been around for 20 years and isn't completely mainstream yet.

I'm sure the UFC could milk the public for ridiculous amounts of money if they played around and waited for the biggest stars to leave their prime before they made fights, but they choose not to. $100 for a PPV to see a guy land 100 punches in 36 minutes? Yeah, boxing is thriving.

 

[phork]

Exactly my point.

If boxing was as relevant as you say, why is it relegated to HBO? Why isn't it mainstream? Why isn't it on Fox?

Boxing is less relevant today. But back in the day when almost all weigth divisions were great these matches were on ABC. I remember watching Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard etc etc. Then game Showtime and HBO for the big money PPVs and it all changed after that. Tyson was the big draw. His typical 1 round fights cost anywhere from $25-$50.