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Would be a better use of tax dollars than the military industrial complex.
Yep, throw in those special interest dollars too.
Would be a better use of tax dollars than the military industrial complex.
The probe uncovered deep and longstanding patterns of discrimination and unfair treatment.
Maybe instead of giving the police, the glorified white supremacy collection agency and new Klan, tanks, that money can be used to get rid of the "few bad apples."
Well now I get it...this is really NJNP under a different name like IrishPat did.
Turns out NJNP was right about a lot that he was beaten up about ... So piling on now that he is not here to defend himself increases his credibility on this topic. Make jokes about him if you must but he gets the last laugh.
The probe, or better put, the results of the probe are what the DOJ wanted to make it out to be. The DOJ made the focus all about race to appease the ignorant.
Brown did not commit the strong arm robbery and attack a police officer because he was black. He did those things because he was a thug. He was a thug due to a myriad socioeconomic factors that go beyond skin color.
To suggest it's 100% about race, to say that police action was 100% about race is equal to saying black people commit crimes because of they are black. And that is not the truth.
The reason why the residents of Ferguson are apathetic towards elections is not due their skin color but rather due to the reality of their day to day lives.
You could fire the whole damn police department and hire only black officers so it would not be possible to call anything racist and you would still have issues. It's because they have bad police officers and skin does not matter in that. What does matter is being able to screen applicants and only hire those who have the intelligence and temperament to be instruments of the law and you can't hire those people for $15.00 an hour.
It's not 100% about race. It's just that the majority of people in the US are too stupid to see in anything but black and white.
I don't think anyone would argue there was prejudice in the PD. Clearly there is. This whole topic blew up around the riots. Right, wrong, or indifferent, the destruction and violence that happened is on the same level of "bad" as the prejudice. Ultimately both boil down to lack of respect for our fellow human beings and civility. One does not get a pass for violent and destructive behavior against property or other civilians. I'm glad the spotlight is on improving the situation. The DOJ found what they found, which is pretty compelling. They also cleared the officer. That said, I hope the cleanse the PD, and start the healing process. Peacefully (not NP style).
NJNP, was ultra everything, and thrived on sensationalism. He had some great points, but those get lost with all his other ramblings.
Turns out NJNP was right about a lot that he was beaten up about ... So piling on now that he is not here to defend himself increases his credibility on this topic. Make jokes about him if you must but he gets the last laugh.
If the state is unjustly controlling and keeping you down, why would you think that there is any way a single person could change that?
People aren't born apathetic. They become apathetic when people treat them like subhumans, which the cops were doing in Ferguson.
Maybe instead of giving the police, the glorified white supremacy collection agency and new Klan, tanks, that money can be used to get rid of the "few bad apples."
That's funny. I say all blacks are criminals, I am a racist. You group all cops as the "new kkk" you see yourself as some kind of educated crusader. It's ok to use stereotypes if it supports your argument I guess.
Btw I'm a cop. A detective actually. Lets hear it...
So tell me........... how did blacks in America ever manage to earn equal rights, if being treated like subhumans made them so apathetic?
You and others want to keep using past treatment as an excuse for the majority black community in Ferguson to do nothing. Honestly, I am starting to think that you are just anti-establishment, and this is just the "cause celebre du jour" to try to "stick it to the man".
No, it doesn't. But ending the apathy could help end the abuses.
So tell me........... how did blacks in America ever manage to earn equal rights, if being treated like subhumans made them so apathetic?
You and others want to keep using past treatment as an excuse for the majority black community in Ferguson to do nothing. Honestly, I am starting to think that you are just anti-establishment, and this is just the "cause celebre du jour" to try to "stick it to the man".
So tell me........... how did blacks in America ever manage to earn equal rights, if being treated like subhumans made them so apathetic?
You and others want to keep using past treatment as an excuse for the majority black community in Ferguson to do nothing. Honestly, I am starting to think that you are just anti-establishment, and this is just the "cause celebre du jour" to try to "stick it to the man".
So tell me........... how did blacks in America ever manage to earn equal rights, if being treated like subhumans made them so apathetic?
You and others want to keep using past treatment as an excuse for the majority black community in Ferguson to do nothing. Honestly, I am starting to think that you are just anti-establishment, and this is just the "cause celebre du jour" to try to "stick it to the man".
Turns out NJNP was right about a lot that he was beaten up about ... So piling on now that he is not here to defend himself increases his credibility on this topic. Make jokes about him if you must but he gets the last laugh.
Sigh. It took the "blacks" from the civil war till the Civil Right moment to gain "equal" treatment so your point is completely invalid. Even then it took a one in a generation leader to help it happen. You need to give Blacks in Ferguson another 80+ years before you can blame them according to your argument. Nice try though.
Good post. On NJNP he did not start out in the topic so over the top. He was pushed there by being McKee and taunted by the usual suspects on IE. Instead of being another perspective on the topic his posts were criticized in very unflattering way and he felt compelled to more strenuously defend he position. Ironically that seems to be very similar to what was going on in Fergeson. While he may have gone too far he was pushed there by people who wer not reprimanded for their behavior white NJNP was banned.

You don't think the protests in Ferguson prove that the black citizens do care?
Since 16.2% of voters first put Knowles in office in 2011, voter turnout for the annual city elections has never topped 12%.
The probe was about racial fairness because there were ongoing complaints about it in Ferguson. Turns out the complaints were justified. You seem to believe this was a witch hunt during which these cops and court officials were singled out for no good reason. You would be wrong. The justice department followed up on complaints by citizens and found them to be justified. It was not some trumped up charge that they politicized. The one thing you got right in your post is that the reason for voter apathy is due to the reality of their daily lives ... That reality was that blacks were treated as second class citizens who were forced to pay over the top fines that was essentially funding the town. They almost certainly felt as if it did not matter if they voted or not because the system was stacked against them. Turns out their feelings were justified. They may have bad police officers in Ferguson but they were doing what the local goverent wanted them to do. It is institutionalize racism plain and simple. Don't know how you can read that report and come to any other conclusion.
Dales5050 you picked the wrong guy for your post. GoIrish is one of the smartest guys on here, no need to go slow for him ok?
Like many other riots that have occurred in primarily black communities, to understand what happened in Ferguson you have to look beyond the specific incident and consider how the conditions there could have created a situation in which a large segment of the population was so frustrated and humiliated that they felt it necessary to enter into public space and protest. The report on policing in Ferguson goes a long way toward describing these conditions. To do a truly comprehensive job would have taken a much longer qualitative research project, but what they had available were statistics and public correspondence. The statistics do clearly indicate a disproportionate focus on the city’s black population, especially for small-scale, subjective interactions between police and residents. The city’s police department focused its attention on the black population – that’s impossible to argue.
The interpretation of this is more difficult—it could be fully explained by race, it could be partially explained by race but also affected by the spatial distribution of crime, etc. This is where the email correspondence and the racial composition of the police force makes the case stronger.
In a relatively small, somewhat isolated institution like a police department it is entirely possible for a culture to emerge where a pattern of behavior that might be formally illegal and unacceptable in the wider society becomes accepted and understood within the institution. There is good evidence that this happened in Ferguson—not definitive evidence, b/c it is really difficult to prove, but persuasive evidence in my reading. This is not isolated to Ferguson’s PD. We see it, recently, in the stories about prisoner abuse in Rikers Island here in NYC. We see it, this morning, in an entire bus of young men and women from Oklahoma chanting in unison about lynching black people and never letting one enter their fraternity.
The point is not that racism explains everything or is pervasive in every aspect of society. Rather, the point is that there are institutions that have developed in a way that allows for differential treatment of members of different groups—in some cases, it is the treatment of women that differs, in some cases immigrants, in some cases black Americans. When something like Ferguson happens, a very basic look into the conditions that make a protest or riot possible usually reveals a more complete answer as to why its participants felt they needed to move into public space. You may disagree with their assessment of the conditions or with their decision to protest, but you can rarely dismiss the protest as the actions of criminals. That explanation is almost always wrong, as it was wrong in the case of Ferguson.
Dales5050 you picked the wrong guy for your post. GoIrish is one of the smartest guys on here, no need to go slow for him ok?
Like many other riots that have occurred in primarily black communities, to understand what happened in Ferguson you have to look beyond the specific incident and consider how the conditions there could have created a situation in which a large segment of the population was so frustrated and humiliated that they felt it necessary to enter into public space and protest. The report on policing in Ferguson goes a long way toward describing these conditions. To do a truly comprehensive job would have taken a much longer qualitative research project, but what they had available were statistics and public correspondence. The statistics do clearly indicate a disproportionate focus on the city’s black population, especially for small-scale, subjective interactions between police and residents. The city’s police department focused its attention on the black population – that’s impossible to argue.
The interpretation of this is more difficult—it could be fully explained by race, it could be partially explained by race but also affected by the spatial distribution of crime, etc. This is where the email correspondence and the racial composition of the police force makes the case stronger.
In a relatively small, somewhat isolated institution like a police department it is entirely possible for a culture to emerge where a pattern of behavior that might be formally illegal and unacceptable in the wider society becomes accepted and understood within the institution. There is good evidence that this happened in Ferguson—not definitive evidence, b/c it is really difficult to prove, but persuasive evidence in my reading. This is not isolated to Ferguson’s PD. We see it, recently, in the stories about prisoner abuse in Rikers Island here in NYC. We see it, this morning, in an entire bus of young men and women from Oklahoma chanting in unison about lynching black people and never letting one enter their fraternity.
The point is not that racism explains everything or is pervasive in every aspect of society. Rather, the point is that there are institutions that have developed in a way that allows for differential treatment of members of different groups—in some cases, it is the treatment of women that differs, in some cases immigrants, in some cases black Americans. When something like Ferguson happens, a very basic look into the conditions that make a protest or riot possible usually reveals a more complete answer as to why its participants felt they needed to move into public space. You may disagree with their assessment of the conditions or with their decision to protest, but you can rarely dismiss the protest as the actions of criminals. That explanation is almost always wrong, as it was wrong in the case of Ferguson.