'15 TX RB Ronald Jones II (USC Verbal)

[Whiskeyjack]

Yes, but the methodology in getting expected earnings is opinion. I find that it disregards the individual completely. Simply multiplying GSR with earnings does not quantify value in terms of educational opportunity. What it does tell me is how selective ND is in the screening process by the type of person they recruit. Wouldn't you agree that their screening process for football players has a major impact on GSR much like Stanford?

Of course. But I see no way to suss out "value added by the University" from the inherent quality of the students admitted.

But this is getting far afield from the post I initially responded to:

It is actually closer than you think. It is more like, do you want to live in Chicago or Los Angeles because those connections you will make during undergrad are what counts the most in my opinion.

Which simply isn't true. Even just looking at raw salary data, which is skewed in USC's favor since it doesn't account for LA's insanely high cost of living, ND grads make, on average, ~38% more than USC grads. Factor in football GSRs, and ND offers 3x more degree value than USC, mostly because the Trojans don't give a sh!t about graduating their players.

Stanford and Duke are the only other football schools offering a comparable education to ND.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Yes, but the methodology in getting expected earnings is opinion. I find that it disregards the individual completely. Simply multiplying GSR with earnings does not quantify value in terms of educational opportunity. What it does tell me is how selective ND is in the screening process by the type of person they recruit. Wouldn't you agree that their screening process for football players has a major impact on GSR much like Stanford?

I think this is a huge consideration. If Notre Dame students went to another state school (say, Indiana), I'd hunch their success rate would be more similar than some think.

I appreciate Whiskey sharing data...and we've had discussions/disagreements about this type of thing in the past. Data are very important. But these data don't control for student achievement prior to setting foot on campus. I don't know if there is a study out there that has taken these data into account.

That said...Merry Christmas!

 

[Crazy Balki]

I feel like you think it's just 95 degrees and smog every day out there....

95 degrees sounds like an average day in the summer. I live up in NorCal and it gets around that level and a lot of times even hotter (of course I heard this last summer was the hottest in a while and I believe we're in a drought). I can't imagine living 6 hours north, it would get hotter. I was putting it more in my perspective than Jones', so yeah, it was kinda italics worthy/kinda not. But more importantly, is the lack of overcast/rain. I like a sunny day every now and then, but it's ALWAYS hot and sunny in California. It's been raining for the last few weeks up here and I've loved it. Only sucks trying to run in that.

Back to Jones though. If we can't land him, which honestly would be disastrous, considering the alternate destination, who would we get? I think Soso is less likely to come here, and I don't think there are any other names going around. 1 RB this cycle is not optional. Need two.

 

[BeauBenken]

Okay, I'm probably going to change my name from this point. It's not me. In fact, I'm pretty sure the real NDSean is now a member of this site.

You do have an almost exact name...which is very odd.

 

[koonja]

You do have an almost exact name...which is very odd.

Can't you mods check to see if both Seans are logging in the same.

 

[BeauBenken]

Can't you mods check to see if both Seans are logging in the same.

Is there an NDSean45 on this site?

Well, damn. I guess there is.

Looks like two different users.

 

[Crazy Balki]

You do have an almost exact name...which is very odd.

Yeah, it just an attempt to be clever back then, since my name actually is Sean. I wonder how you change your profile name though, or can you not without starting a new profile.

 

[Nick Setta]

Yeah, it just an attempt to be clever back then, since my name actually is Sean. I wonder how you change your profile name though, or can you not without starting a new profile.

vbplaza and you can change your name there.

 

[Luckylucci]

So the Baylor 247 guy put in a CB for ND, he's hearing he's ND bound. Apparently some good connections in Texas.

 

[Crazy Balki]

vbplaza and you can change your name there.

Yeah found it. Thanks. It took me a while to find where the vbplaza was on my menu, but I got it.

So the Baylor 247 guy put in a CB for ND, he's hearing he's ND bound. Apparently some good connections in Texas.

I'll take it. Some may question the credibility of some of these reports since they've been wildly wrong before, but I have to say that I feel optimistic about all these analysts from his home state CB'ing him to ND.

 

[koonja]

Is there an NDSean45 on this site?

Well, damn. I guess there is.

Looks like two different users.

Thanks beau. So Ndsean44 is not Ndsean45, and Ndsean45 admits to being the video sean. So let's stop ripping on on sean 44 for the videos.

Hoping the new year brings some better moods to IE after the Irish stop the Tigers. Merry Christmas all! Fire Longo! Fuvk USC.

 

[Ironman8]

So the Baylor 247 guy put in a CB for ND, he's hearing he's ND bound. Apparently some good connections in Texas.

Just a bit wary that those good connections are only helping him out to a 10 for 18 slate in predictions this year in Texas lol.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Thanks beau. So Ndsean44 is not Ndsean45, and Ndsean45 admits to being the video sean. So let's stop ripping on on sean 44 for the videos.

Hoping the new year brings some better moods to IE after the Irish stop the Tigers. Merry Christmas all! Fire Longo! Fuvk USC.

Ha, I thought you said bring some better Mods to IE. I was wondering what was wrong w the ones we have. We got a 100 problems to deal w but the mods ain't one of them.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Just a bit wary that those good connections are only helping him out to a 10 for 18 slate in predictions this year in Texas lol.

60% of the time it works every time

 

[Domina Nostra]

60% of the time it works every time

Hopefully, things get more accurate as signing day approaches and a lot of the variables are removed!

 

[jerboski]

Tom Loy "CB" jones to USC today, prepare yourselves he isn't coming

 

[Nick Setta]

Tom Loy "CB" jones to USC today, prepare yourselves he isn't coming

Ugh. Come on down Keishawn

 

[GoldenDome]

He gonzo.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'm sorry, but unless we land Soso, no RB we get will suffice for me. Jones looks to be the next Melvin Gordon...the idea of having to go up against that for the next 3-4 years is nerve wracking. 2013 was a great crop, but this very well could be the second consecutive year that we've missed out on not 1, but 2 elite backs (last year with Starks and Hood).

This is really bad. I think we've lost every single recruiting battle with USC so far this season, and the odds of beating them out for Jones, Ross and Marshall are slim to none.

 

[pumpdog20]

I think you're underestimating Josh Adams.

 

[Irish8248]

I'm sorry, but unless we land Soso, no RB we get will suffice for me. Jones looks to be the next Melvin Gordon...the idea of having to go up against that for the next 3-4 years is nerve wracking. 2013 was a great crop, but this very well could be the second consecutive year that we've missed out on not 1, but 2 elite backs (last year with Starks and Hood).

This is really bad. I think we've lost every single recruiting battle with USC so far this season, and the odds of beating them out for Jones, Ross and Marshall are slim to none.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think you're underestimating Josh Adams.

I may be. But ever time I consider Josh maybe just as good as either Soso or Jones (which he very well could be), I remember that he plays in PA, and that he has a history with injuries.

Okay, I guess I should be angry, but this is hilarious. Love that movie.

 

[PANDFAN]

I'm sorry, but unless we land Soso, no RB we get will suffice for me. Jones looks to be the next Melvin Gordon...the idea of having to go up against that for the next 3-4 years is nerve wracking. 2013 was a great crop, but this very well could be the second consecutive year that we've missed out on not 1, but 2 elite backs (last year with Starks and Hood).

This is really bad. I think we've lost every single recruiting battle with USC so far this season, and the odds of beating them out for Jones, Ross and Marshall are slim to none.

And you forgot gustin and Greene

 

[Crazy Balki]

And you forgot gustin and Greene

Exactly! Why can't we have nice things!?

 

[ThePiombino]

I think you're underestimating Josh Adams.

Ugh. Starting with this already? Can't we mourn losing out on Jones for a while before we all pretend like we already have the best kept secret in our 2015 class?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Ugh. Starting with this already? Can't we mourn losing out on Jones for a while before we all pretend like we already have the best kept secret in our 2015 class?

That's what I'm saying!!!

 

[Cackalacky]

#RealTalk.

An elite RB is not coming here with the way BK uses them. Period. If they are paying attention, these elite recruits see our "star power" struggling to make the field after two years. We can't promise early playing time because of the learning curve. It's easy to get out recruited here. Too easy.

 

[pumpdog20]

Ugh. Starting with this already? Can't we mourn losing out on Jones for a while before we all pretend like we already have the best kept secret in our 2015 class?

When someone says "without soso or jones, no RB will suffice", I'm just simply saying we "at least" got Adams. I'm not saying he's better or it's ok we didn't get one of the other two, just that we "at least" got someone decent.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Isn't ND the favorite to get Cronkite?

 

[ShawneeIrish]

#RealTalk.

An elite RB is not coming here with the way BK uses them. Period. If they are paying attention, these elite recruits see our "star power" struggling to make the field after two years. We can't promise early playing time because of the learning curve. It's easy to get out recruited here. Too easy.

Agreed. There are only two reasons why a top RB could come here. Academics is the most important factor in their recruitment, which is rare a lot of kids value academics but its rarely the most important factor. Other possibility is they love ND and would choose the school regardless of coach, scheme, or on field success. This is even less likely.