Does 1 Loss End ND's Playoff Hopes?

[HoosierMP33]

If someone already posted the link to this article, my apologies....just came across it.....love how they ignore ND....crap like that throws off the credibility from the get-go.....

College Football Playoff title odds: Alabama is the new favorite - CBSSports.com

 

[IRISH in MT]

If Louisville beats FSU I think we will have bigger things to worry about (aka beating Louisville)

NOT taking Louisville lightly! However, IF FSU loses, it will be to whom and how much that affects us. Just like Arizona and V Tech losing more games and making Oregon's and Ohio State's loss appear worse. I think if it comes down to 1 loss Oregon, Ohio State, and ND it will matter who the loss was against and by how much.

 

[irishfan]

“If Notre Dame is 11-1, they’re in the Final Four,” says ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit, who was in ESPN’s broadcast booth last Saturday night in Tallahassee for college football’s most dramatic game of the season. “There’s no way the selection committee can keep them out if they win the rest of their games. Every time I get a chance publicly, I’ll say they deserve to be in the final four.”

Herbstreit may be our best friend these next few weeks.

http://www.newsweek.com/will-there-be-second-coming-notre-dame-season-279096

 

[IRISH in MT]

Herbstreit may be our best friend these next few weeks.

http://www.newsweek.com/will-there-be-second-coming-notre-dame-season-279096

There is a 1st. He normally picks against us every week but the Michigan week. I still disagree with him on ACC Officials making the right call. CJ was clearly jammed at the line by Ramsey. BUT, if Herbie wants to advertise for ND I will let him. He is a big voice.

 

[GATTACA!]

Anyone with ESPN insider wanna post the article about the one loss teams.

 

[nd_fan]

Anyone with ESPN insider wanna post the article about the one loss teams.

Lol yea I really wanna see that article

 

[JeremyND07]

So do we really have to cheer for USC and LSU to win tomorrow? Makes me feel ill thinking about being happy when either scores.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

IndyStar had an article that wasn't terrible and brings some non-ND bias to the discussion. Basically says that ND's best argument for getting in at the moment is a closs loss to FSU and that shouldn't be a reason to get into a playoff. He's right, imo, up until he goes into comparison of one-loss teams and how by season's end, wins of ASU and USC and even UL may not be that great IF those teams don't also win more games.

ND needs to win out. That's a given. But ND's opponents also need to step up and win big games. Stanford and UM are killing us. I think ND will need some help. I'm not as confident as others that a one-loss ND gets in over a one-loss Oregon.

 

[Black Irish]

IndyStar had an article that wasn't terrible and brings some non-ND bias to the discussion. Basically says that ND's best argument for getting in at the moment is a closs loss to FSU and that shouldn't be a reason to get into a playoff. He's right, imo, up until he goes into comparison of one-loss teams and how by season's end, wins of ASU and USC and even UL may not be that great IF those teams don't also win more games.

ND needs to win out. That's a given. But ND's opponents also need to step up and win big games. Stanford and UM are killing us. I think ND will need some help. I'm not as confident as others that a one-loss ND gets in over a one-loss Oregon.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you. I can't predict the future, but I wouldn't be surprised if a one loss Oregon gets the nod over the Irish.

 

[IRISH in MT]

So do we really have to cheer for USC and LSU to win tomorrow? Makes me feel ill thinking about being happy when either scores.

I here you man BUT, it is what is best for ND right now. I am torn on whether or not to root for dUMb against Sparty this weekend too. F'ing hate U$C and dUMb.

 

[Black Irish]

I here you man BUT, it is what is best for ND right now. I am torn on whether or not to root for dUMb against Sparty this weekend too. F'ing hate U$C and dUMb.

It will feel very nasty indeed to pull for Michigan. But them knocking off Sparty is a win-win for the Irish. It makes ND's pummeling of Meatchicken look better and knocks MSU out of the playoff conversation. I also will find myself pulling for USC over Utah. Sometimes, you just got to pinch your nose and take your medicine.

 

[phork]

IndyStar had an article that wasn't terrible and brings some non-ND bias to the discussion. Basically says that ND's best argument for getting in at the moment is a closs loss to FSU and that shouldn't be a reason to get into a playoff. He's right, imo, up until he goes into comparison of one-loss teams and how by season's end, wins of ASU and USC and even UL may not be that great IF those teams don't also win more games.

ND needs to win out. That's a given. But ND's opponents also need to step up and win big games. Stanford and UM are killing us. I think ND will need some help. I'm not as confident as others that a one-loss ND gets in over a one-loss Oregon.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you. I can't predict the future, but I wouldn't be surprised if a one loss Oregon gets the nod over the Irish.

It will feel very nasty indeed to pull for Michigan. But them knocking off Sparty is a win-win for the Irish. It makes ND's pummeling of Meatchicken look better and knocks MSU out of the playoff conversation. I also will find myself pulling for USC over Utah. Sometimes, you just got to pinch your nose and take your medicine.

ND is in over Sparty or Oregon if ND runs the table. Both those teams have bad losses, our loss was really a win in perception. People understand this isn't 2012.

 

[RDU Irish]

I agree, name another loss amongst one loss teams that comes close to being as big of a rip off as ours. Most people know we deserved to win and had it taken away by refs for no good reason.

 

[GoIrish41]

It will feel very nasty indeed to pull for Michigan. But them knocking off Sparty is a win-win for the Irish. It makes ND's pummeling of Meatchicken look better and knocks MSU out of the playoff conversation. I also will find myself pulling for USC over Utah. Sometimes, you just got to pinch your nose and take your medicine.

I'd be totally shocked if MSU doesn't blow Michigan out.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

ND is in over Sparty or Oregon if ND runs the table. Both those teams have bad losses, our loss was really a win in perception. People understand this isn't 2012.

I agree, name another loss amongst one loss teams that comes close to being as big of a rip off as ours. Most people know we deserved to win and had it taken away by refs for no good reason.

This is the problem. Comparing losses; yes, ND has the "best" loss. However, some of these one-loss teams have better wins. ND's best win, so far, is against a currently unranked Stanford team that has a really good shot at finishing 6-6. That's not a good win. Do you think the committee cares more about your losses than your wins? I doubt it.

Obviously, ND has to run the table. And with that comes good wins against ASU, USC, and possibly UL. But it all depends on how those teams finish as well. What if ASU and USC both finish the year with 4 losses? Is that impressive anymore? Not really, imo. Meanwhile, a team like Oregon has a tough loss against Arizona (currently ranked #15) and a blowout win against MSU (currently ranked #8). No one cares what the teams were ranked when you played them. They'll care about how those teams finished the season. And if ASU, USC, UL, Stanford all finish unranked or thereabouts, ND is screwed. You can say the same thing about Oregon's opponents, etc (which is why I'm not getting caught up in this too much at the moment...too much football left to play out)...but the bottom line is people need to quit saying a one-loss ND team gets over a one-loss Oregon/MSU team as stated fact, because there's a good chance it won't play out that way.

 

[irishfan]

ND is in over Sparty or Oregon if ND runs the table. Both those teams have bad losses, our loss was really a win in perception. People understand this isn't 2012.

I think we make it in at 11-1 over the B1G champ (MSU/OSU/Nebreaska) if they're 12-1.

Unfortunately, I think a 12-1 Oregon makes it in over an 11-1 ND. That means they'll also have a win over Stanford. They'll have wins over Michigan State and the PAC-12 South champ. Plus wins over UCLA/Utah.

Even if we get lucky and ASU/USC wins the PAC-12 South, Oregon will be able to play them to end the year in the PAC-12 Championship. They'll also be Conference Champs which is something people will love to hype up over us.

 

[TheChosen1]

College Football Playoff: Ohio State Needs Decisive Wins To Overcome Weak Schedule, Virginia Tech Loss | The Big Lead

 

[Ignats]

I'll keep saying this but every time I watch this Oregon team, I can't find a way that I think they should get in over us. Mariota is the real deal but the rest of the team is underwhelming. They're going toe to toe with Cal right now in an early shootout. I'm sure they'll pull away at some point, but still not impressive.

 

[Irish2155]

We might be a two seed.

One of those pesky Miss. teams loss, their first game. The other will lose too.

Oregon's defense is similar to a big morning turd.

The others will take one on the chin, I bet 'Bama gives it. That is the one I'm worry about.

Besides them, who in the country is going to beat us? EG won't lose to Winston again.

I think we curb stomp USC and really make a case.

 

[irishtrain]

This is giving me a headache like my Analytical Methods 2 class which I made a 'D' in. I'm more worried about those Marines next week.

 

[irishfaith]

Wonderful discussion. I am of the belief that if we win out we are in. I just want to point out that even the most optimistic of the irish obsessed (me totally being one) probably wouldn't have forecasted one of the two realities here. We have a terrific chance of making the playoff and, perhaps more satisfying, we can win a title. I just want to give a shout out to one of my heros - big bad Brian for building such a great program. It is so fun to follow this team.

 

[Irish2155]

Wonderful discussion. I am of the belief that if we win out we are in. I just want to point out that even the most optimistic of the irish obsessed (me totally being one) probably wouldn't have forecasted one of the two realities here. We have a terrific chance of making the playoff and, perhaps more satisfying, we can win a title. I just want to give a shout out to one of my heros - big bad Brian for building such a great program. It is so fun to follow this team.

You get slugged so much in the face, nice to give blows...thank you Brian Kelly.

 

[nd_fan]

This is giving me a headache like my Analytical Methods 2 class which I made a 'D' in. I'm more worried about those Marines next week.

Don't worry, those midshipmen bums are NO WHERE NEAR to being a Marine.

 

[irishfan]

I agree. We'd be pretty ecstatic in August if we knew that we'd be 6-1 and going 5-0 to end the year would likely put us in the playoffs. We have no excuse to lose to Navy or to lose to NW/Lville at home IMO. Just gotta bring it at ASU/USC and we should be in the Top 4. Pretty sweet.

 

[Irish2155]

I agree. We'd be pretty ecstatic in August if we knew that we'd be 6-1 and going 5-0 to end the year would likely put us in the playoffs. We have no excuse to lose to Navy or to lose to NW/Lville at home IMO. Just gotta bring it at ASU/USC and we should be in the Top 4. Pretty sweet.

We won't lose to anybody else again, unless we play 'Bama...that one worries me.

Nobody else does.

 

[NorthDakota]

We won't lose to anybody else again, unless we play 'Bama...that one worries me.

Nobody else does.

I'll put my kool aid down after they lose again.

I'm slightly worried about Bama. Notre Dame wins with physicality... And they are the only team I honestly believe does that better. But with the playoff... Which is about 50 years too late... Anything can happen.

Our boys play the right way with VG on defense. Always attacking. If the offense is going to beat you... Make them do it on your terms.

This team might not match up with Bama very well... But that doesn't mean they can't win a natty.

 

[IRISH in MT]

Well, I wouldn't say we got beat but with 1 loss in the column, here are the updated Unbeatens and 1 Loss teams with their remaining tough games who we are competing for a playoff spot with. I use the USA Today Coach's rankings...

October 26th, 2014

1) Miss State: @ #4 Bama (11/15), @ #3 Ole Miss (11/29), SEC Chipper
2) Florida State: @ Louisville (Thurs. 10/30), @ Miami (11/15 rivals), ACC Chipper
3) Bama: @ #23 LSU (11/8), #1 Miss St (11/15), #6 Auburn (11/29), SEC Chipper
4) Auburn: @ #3 Ole Miss (11/1), @ #9 Georgia (11/15), @ #4 Bama (11/29), SEC Chipper
5) Michigan State: #12 Ohio State (11/8), Big 10 Chipper
6) Oregon: Stanford (11/1), @ #19 Utah (11/8), PAC 12 Chipper
7) Notre Dame: @ #14 Arizona State (11/8), Louisville (11/22), @ #21 U$C (11/29)
8) Georgia: #6 Auburn (11/15), SEC Chipper
9) Ole Miss: #23 LSU (10/25)*, #6 Auburn (11/1), #1 Miss St (11/29), SEC Chipper
10) TCU: @ #25 West Virginia (11/1), #11 K State (11/8), @ Texas (11/27)
11) K State: Texas (10/25)*, OK State (11/1), @ #10 TCU (11/8), @ #13 Baylor (12/6)
12) Baylor: @ #18 Oklahoma (11/8), OK State (11/22), #11 K State (12/6)
13) Ohio State: @ Penn State (10/25)*, @ Michigan State (11/8), Big 10 Chipper
14) Arizona State: @ Washington (10/25)*, #19 Utah (11/1), #8 ND (11/8), @ #15 Arizona (11/28), PAC 12 Chipper
15) Arizona: @ UCLA (11/1), @ #19 Utah, #14 Arizona St (11/28), PAC 12 Chipper
16) Nebraska: @ Wisconsin (11/15), #24 Minnesota (11/22), Big 10 Chipper
18) Utah: #21 U$C (10/25)*, @ #14 Arizona St (11/1), #7 Oregon (11/8), @ Stanford (11/15), # 15 Arizona (11/22), PAC 12
19) East Carolina: @ Cinci (Thurs. 11/13), UCF (12/4)
23) Marshall: Western Kentucky (11/28)
24) Duke: @ Pitt (11/1), @ Syracuse (11/8), Virginia Tech (11/15), UNC (11/20), ACC

Updated 10/17 on first page as well

 

[IRISH in MT]

#2 FSU has it fairly easy to an unbeaten season.
#5 Michigan State has 2 tough games left including B1G Chipper
#8 Georgia has 2 tough games left including the SEC Chipper
#13 Ohio State has 2 tough games left including B1G Chipper
#16 Nebraska is the sleeper here...no ranked teams unless they make B1G Chipper
#19 East Carolina is @ Cinci + plays UCF (both unranked)
#23 Marshall has Western Kentucky and should run the table

I think Georgia could lose 2 more and obviously Mich St and Ohio St play each other. Nebraska could finish with 1 loss. Not to worried about losing a spot to East Carolina or Marshall.

 

[clashmore_jon]

Wonderful discussion. I am of the belief that if we win out we are in. I just want to point out that even the most optimistic of the irish obsessed (me totally being one) probably wouldn't have forecasted one of the two realities here. We have a terrific chance of making the playoff and, perhaps more satisfying, we can win a title. I just want to give a shout out to one of my heros - big bad Brian for building such a great program. It is so fun to follow this team.

i have the same forecast every year: undefeated national champions. i'm disappointed a lot.

 

[IRISH in MT]

i have the same forecast every year: undefeated national champions. i'm disappointed a lot.

I have the same expectations but have learned to appreciate 10+ win seasons. I never want another 2007 to happen again.