Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[RDU Irish]

Boy, i'll tell you. That hit at the end by Sheldon must have turned a few heads. He absolutely destroyed Karlos Williams who is a big and strong SOB.

O-line was awesome last night. If this is a taste of what's to come from the trenches, then watch out. Not many teams will be able to play with us.

That penalty bailed them out of some serious safety risk. We blew up the 3rd down play just as bad. I can't even remember what the penalty was.

 

[Cackalacky]

So, we're all in agreement that Fuller was doing more blocking than route-running on the negated TD?


*ducks from objects thrown at head*

Nope. I see Darby intentionally jump Fuller's inside slant. Totally agree that it was busted coverage as BK said. Or are you being facetious?

 

[JeremyND07]

Bottom Line FSU made halftime adjustments and our defense could not stop them. I like BVG but after 10 slant patterns in a row you stop blitzing your LB. Questionable call at the end of the game but if our defense plays like it did in the first half we would not need a last minute TD.

 

[kmoose]

It shows how CJ was being manhandled from the get go, and how Fuller simply made a cut and the DB ran into him. No offensive PI should have been called. Now that we have all of the angles, it really is clear they blew the call.

Also the ACC is changing their story on who the call was on, and BK called the refs out in his after game comments, which he never does. So plenty of fuel for the fire, making for more interesting conversation on the ending of the game ..

I don't think anyone is arguing against the fact that the officials missed calling a penalty on the Prosise mugging. Fuller, by rule, is responsible for avoiding the defender, so the DB jumping in front of him means nothing. I hadn't heard about the ACC changing who the call was on? The official on the field said "#7", and then I think the official spotter (up in the press box) got confused and recorded #20. I think that is where Herbstreit got his "I think it was on Prosise" comment.

 

[Rocket89]

I don't think anyone is arguing against the fact that the officials missed calling a penalty on the Prosise mugging. Fuller, by rule, is responsible for avoiding the defender, so the DB jumping in front of him means nothing. I hadn't heard about the ACC changing who the call was on? The official on the field said "#7", and then I think the official spotter (up in the press box) got confused and recorded #20. I think that is where Herbstreit got his "I think it was on Prosise" comment.

The ACC clarified after the game that the call was on Prosise.

 

[IrishLion]

Nope. I see Darby intentionally jump Fuller's inside slant. Totally agree that it was busted coverage as BK said. Or are you being facetious?

I was being facetious about the "all in agreement," but I thought Fuller was very obviously just blocking and not trying to run a route.

I know, I know, this has been discussed for 16 pages, but I'm just now feeling up to throwing my $0.02 in. It was a heart-breaker, a soul-crusher, and of course I believe that you can't really make that call in that situation as an official (not to mention the missed unsportsmanlike penalty that would've given ND another 4 downs, but grrrrr), but I also believe that Fuller never tried to run a route. He knew he was clearing it out for Corey and didn't sell his "route" hard enough.

And I'm not blaming the young man! I could not be more proud of the way ND played, particularly Fuller, Robinson, the left side of the o-line, Everett, and the entire defense.

 

[tussin]

I don't think anyone is arguing against the fact that the officials missed calling a penalty on the Prosise mugging. Fuller, by rule, is responsible for avoiding the defender, so the DB jumping in front of him means nothing. I hadn't heard about the ACC changing who the call was on? The official on the field said "#7", and then I think the official spotter (up in the press box) got confused and recorded #20. I think that is where Herbstreit got his "I think it was on Prosise" comment.

No, you're wrong. Darby jumping the route does mean something. How can Fuller avoid contact that was initiated by the DB? Seriously, answer that, I'm genuinely curious.

I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but it's just irritating because there is no defense at all for the call. Proponents of the call can list the rule for OPI all they want, doesn't mean it applies in anyway to the final play. The defender on Corey was inconsequential to the play and it was a blown coverage.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

1. What a great first half!! THAT is what we have all been waiting to see from this team.

2. There are no moral victories for the players. You are judged on whether you win or lose, and they lost. But, as fans, we can now see what the players probably have been able to see all year long: this team can play with the elite teams in the country.

3. Credit has to go to the Florida State coaching staff. Their adjustments at the half made all of the difference in the game. They were able to handle Notre Dame's pass rush in the 2nd half, particularly in the 3rd quarter.

4. Good things happen, when you commit to running the ball, and stick with it.

5. I still think Kelly is afraid to completely turn Golson loose to run. Golson looks hesitant when the pocket breaks down. It's almost as if he wants to run, but has to be absolutely sure that the conditions are right. Sometimes he needs to just take off, with a purpose.

6. Don't blame the refs. There were questionable calls on both sides of the LOS, and the Offensive PI that took the touchdown off of the board was a legit call. There were actually TWO guys blocking while the ball was in the air, over there.

My game ball goes to Sheldon Day.......... he was disruptive all night long, and was unblockable on FSU's 3 and out on their last drive.

Only post I am going to read. And only post I will make in this thread.

5) To anybody that finds fault with Kelly or Golson after this game, feel free to find another team to root for. Keep up the criticism I will put you on ignore and lobby others to do so. No one in America could do to the "best team money can buy" what ND did on Saturday night. It wasn't just that FSU insisted on playing Winston. They brought back two other players that made a huge difference. And ND still punched 'em in the mouth.

6) I will not know how many other posters have attacked and or refuted this post, as I am not reading through this thread. But I cannot believe anyone saw that as an illegal play. In fact, I have no regard for the football acumen of anyone who would say that it was a foul by Notre Dame :
A) Will Fuller was flagged for the foul.
B) Both Will and CJ had contact initiated by the defender covering them. That contact in itself may have been correctly flagged as defensive holding, although Fullers was fairly incidental, a non call really. Which makes the fact that Will Fuller was flagged ludicrous.

And if you want to know how bad the officiating really was, a FSU player tore off his helmet and had a meltdown, which is a fifteen-yard, automatic first and goal foul after the play!

Fish or cut bait. ND was screwed. Plain and simple. It was the only way FSU was going to win, and everyone in America knows it!

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Bottom Line FSU made halftime adjustments and our defense could not stop them. I like BVG but after 10 slant patterns in a row you stop blitzing your LB. Questionable call at the end of the game but if our defense plays like it did in the first half we would not need a last minute TD.

As I watched I was hoping we'd tighten up a bit after they kept repeatedly hitting us over the middle. Tighten up on wideouts and take inside away. I know it would have left us vulnerable to getting beat vertically, but sometimes with pressure coming its harder to pass accurately down field than it is to knock in slants.

 

[IrishLion]

In fact, I have no regard for the football acumen of anyone who would say that it was a foul by Notre Dame

Sigh.

 

[kmoose]

Only post I am going to read. And only post I will make in this thread.

5) To anybody that finds fault with Kelly or Golson after this game, feel free to find another team to root for. Keep up the criticism I will put you on ignore and lobby others to do so. No one in America could do to the "best team money can buy" what ND did on Saturday night. It wasn't just that FSU insisted on playing Winston. They brought back two other players that made a huge difference. And ND still punched 'em in the mouth.

6) I will not know how many other posters have attacked and or refuted this post, as I am not reading through this thread. But I cannot believe anyone saw that as an illegal play. In fact, I have no regard for the football acumen of anyone who would say that it was a foul by Notre Dame :
A) Will Fuller was flagged for the foul.
B) Both Will and CJ had contact initiated by the defender covering them. That contact in itself may have been correctly flagged as defensive holding, although Fullers was fairly incidental, a non call really. Which makes the fact that Will Fuller was flagged ludicrous.

And if you want to know how bad the officiating really was, a FSU player tore off his helmet and had a meltdown, which is a fifteen-yard, automatic first and goal foul after the play!

Fish or cut bait. ND was screwed. Plain and simple. It was the only way FSU was going to win, and everyone in America knows it!

I really wish you would put me on ignore. So if you aren't fellating Kelly and Golson, you can find another team to root for? Guess what, jack? You don't own this team, nor do you own me. I will root for whomever I want to. And I will be honest in my assessment of the team. If that means that I see some things that could be done better, then so be it.

For those of you who were here during the Rees post game debates, do any of you honestly think that I am being overly critical of Golson?

 

[wizards8507]

The thing I want to see out of Kelly and Golson is consistency. If THAT team (the team that showed up against FSU) and THAT playcalling showed up against Syracuse or Purdue, we would have hung 60 on both of them. I know there's an element of "don't tip your hand until the big game," but margin of victory matters when it comes to national respect (and national polling).

 

[IrishLion]

The thing I want to see out of Kelly and Golson is consistency. If THAT team (the team that showed up against FSU) and THAT playcalling showed up against Syracuse or Purdue, we would have hung 60 on both of them. I know there's an element of "don't tip your hand until the big game," but margin of victory matters when it comes to national respect (and national polling).

Kelly, Golson, and the entire team got a tast against FSU. They know they can beat anyone now (they "knew" it before, but now they KNOW it), and now they should be confident, pissed off, and hungry to prove it.

I've never hit the koolaid so hard after a loss (except maybe USC 2005, gulp), but I will be SHOCKED if this team isn't 10-1 going to the Coliseum with a shot at a playoff spot on the line, with a few blowouts in the second half on their resume.

Everyone is already clamoring for a rematch.

 

[irish#underground]

Only post I am going to read. And only post I will make in this thread.

5) To anybody that finds fault with Kelly or Golson after this game, feel free to find another team to root for. Keep up the criticism I will put you on ignore and lobby others to do so. No one in America could do to the "best team money can buy" what ND did on Saturday night. It wasn't just that FSU insisted on playing Winston. They brought back two other players that made a huge difference. And ND still punched 'em in the mouth.

6) I will not know how many other posters have attacked and or refuted this post, as I am not reading through this thread. But I cannot believe anyone saw that as an illegal play. In fact, I have no regard for the football acumen of anyone who would say that it was a foul by Notre Dame :
A) Will Fuller was flagged for the foul.
B) Both Will and CJ had contact initiated by the defender covering them. That contact in itself may have been correctly flagged as defensive holding, although Fullers was fairly incidental, a non call really. Which makes the fact that Will Fuller was flagged ludicrous.

And if you want to know how bad the officiating really was, a FSU player tore off his helmet and had a meltdown, which is a fifteen-yard, automatic first and goal foul after the play!

Fish or cut bait. ND was screwed. Plain and simple. It was the only way FSU was going to win, and everyone in America knows it!

This...

 

[tussin]

Kelly, Golson, and the entire team got a tast against FSU. They know they can beat anyone now (they "knew" it before, but now they KNOW it), and now they should be confident, pissed off, and hungry to prove it.

I've never hit the koolaid so hard after a loss (except maybe USC 2005, gulp), but I will be SHOCKED if this team isn't 10-1 going to the Coliseum with a shot at a playoff spot on the line, with a few blowouts in the second half on their resume.

Everyone is already clamoring for a rematch.

I wouldn't. The ASU game was and remains terrifying.

 

[IrishLion]

I wouldn't. The ASU game was and remains terrifying.

The tempo is scary, but I think BVG will have learned his lessons from UNC by then. And the talent difference between UNC and ASU is a non-factor, considering the athleticism on ND's defense. As long as the D stays healthy, I think they'll be alright.

 

[NDohio]

The tempo is scary, but I think BVG will have learned his lessons from UNC by then. And the talent difference between UNC and ASU is a non-factor, considering the athleticism on ND's defense. As long as the D stays healthy, I think they'll be alright.

I agree - the UNC game becomes very important as a training game for the ASU game.

 

[RDU Irish]

Glass half full here, this loss may be more valuable to this team than a win. The way it went down, they have to be pissed and hungrier than ever. Puts a real focus on the rest of the season and greatly reduces the chance of a letdown (like FSU better look out for on Thursday night). This loss may season this young team even faster than it already has been.

Film room will be full of small mistakes that cost us plays. For example, I expect our short yardage plays to be unstoppable by the end of the season. I expect our "acting" on rubs to be Oscar worthy. I expect our offense to be closer to 40 than 30 in every game remaining.

No more puppy dog eyes out there, nothing but the eye of the tiger from here on out.

 

[kmoose]

The thing I want to see out of Kelly and Golson is consistency. If THAT team (the team that showed up against FSU) and THAT playcalling showed up against Syracuse or Purdue, we would have hung 60 on both of them. I know there's an element of "don't tip your hand until the big game," but margin of victory matters when it comes to national respect (and national polling).

As young as this team is, I don't think Kelly was hiding stuff. I think he was slowly feeding the team responsibility, to see how they would handle it in live action. I think, by the time we get to USC and/or the playoffs, Kelly will have enough confidence in these guys to really let loose.

 

[BobD]

My hope for the remainder of the year.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah, I agree with this. I still think that lining up under center or in the pistol can help here too though.

I loved the attacking running game Saturday night. Loved the handoffs with the RB running basically straight ahead, and not laterally for 4 or 5 steps like we seem to often see.

I've posted that sentiment several times over the last two years. If you look at the 2012 Pitt game, Golson went under center in the red zone and we pounded the ball in for a TD. Believe we did the same against Stanford. Same with Tommy a couple of times last year. RB's have a much better head of steam when the QB is under center.

It's Monday. I'm over the crappy call. Excited for the rest of the season and meeting FSU in the playoffs.

 

[Cackalacky]

I am down the hall from my co-workers talking in a group and I just heard one of them say... " See what happens when Notre Dame plays a real team?" I was so close to going down there with a shine box for him.

 

[tussin]

I am down the hall from my co-workers talking in a group and I just heard one of them say... " See what happens when Notre Dame plays a real team?" I was so close to going down there with a shine box for him.

You're a bigger man than I. Heads would roll.

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[Irish#1]

The thing I want to see out of Kelly and Golson is consistency. If THAT team (the team that showed up against FSU) and THAT playcalling showed up against Syracuse or Purdue, we would have hung 60 on both of them. I know there's an element of "don't tip your hand until the big game," but margin of victory matters when it comes to national respect (and national polling).

Don't really agree with this. I think early in the season you might hold a few plays back, but at this point in the season no. I always started with a basic set of plays out of the playbook and added several each week as the season went on. The additional plays were typically added to attack specific things that weeks opponents liked to do.

 

[pkt77242]

The ACC clarified after the game that the call was on Prosise.

Then that is even more mind boggling.

 

[kmoose]

The ACC clarified after the game that the call was on Prosise.

When/where did this happen?

 

[pkt77242]

Serious question, I am not trying to give you a hard time about it, but... Do you have any knowledge of how an officiating crew works?

The reason that I ask is this: I have a good friend who is an official in SoCal (Ventura County). He has worked his way up through High School, including being on the crew that officiated multiple State Championship games, to now doing JuCo games. Each member of the crew has a responsibility on each play. When there is a catch on the sidelines, you usually see the two officials checking with each other. That's because one guy has responsibility for possession, and another guy has responsibility for the receiver being in bounds. If the Umpire is responsible for possession, and the Side Judge is responsible for inbounds............. Let's say that the Umpire declares that the receiver had possession, but he(the Umpire) saw his (the receiver) foot come down on the white line, so he calls it an incomplete pass. If the Side Judge (who has responsibility for inbounds) saw the feet differently, he will overrule the Umpire, and a catch will be rewarded (assuming possession was established). So it really doesn't matter who was in the best position.... Because, if the guy who was in the best position (99.9% of the time this is the guy with "responsibility")sees it differently, he will come in and overrule the other official. And that didn't happen here.

While that is absolutely true on sideline catches that is almost never true on penalties. If someone sees a hold they flag it, penalties are almost never overruled unless it is something that requires multiple people like intentional grounding (one ref to determine in pocket or not, one ref to determine if someone was in the area or not) but things suck as holding, PI, clipping, etc are almost never overruled.

 

[NDohio]

1. FOLSTON!! He played really well. We have us a starting RB that can get on a roll and be a difference maker. Surprised how little time Cam and GB played, but TF was too good.

2. Golson is starting to run the team. He was going through progressions and made a lot of very good decisions. His end of game heroics were amazing. That 4th and 18 - WOW!

3. I love this defense. I kinda wanted BVG to back off some in the second half, but ultimately the aggressiveness they are displaying is fantastic. That's who this defense is ...

4. ND is legit. None of us really knew how good this team was until Saturday night.

5. Win out. Make the playoffs and face the Creminoles on a neutral site. Avenge this horrible loss.

6. SMH at that last call.

 

[Cackalacky]

When/where did this happen?

I posted a link to the explanation in the Video Replay thread....