IrishFiend88
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1. Alabama
2. Ole Miss
3. FSU
4. Toss Up ND or Oregon
1. Alabama
2. Ole Miss
3. FSU
4. Toss Up ND or Oregon
FSU
ND
1 SEC West team
Oregon/BigTen champ (MSU/OSU)/TCU
Would be so much easier and practical with an 8 team playoff.................
FSU
ND
Miss St
Oregon
Mich St.
TCU
Alabama
Then the debate comes down to an Ole Miss or Baylor type of team getting in....makes you realize who the elites are versus who they aren't...I can live with that...I can't live with an ND team getting hosed because the committee drools all over Alabama getting in, even if they aren't even playing for their conf title....or even an Oregon team getting hosed so a second SEC team can sneak in....this 4 team playoff isn't going to last long til we have AD's telling univeristy presidents how much money is being left out there over a conf champ being left out in favor of a second SEC school or an independent school getting in....
It will be interesting to see what FSU does with their, 'scholarly, great kid with integrity' moving forward... Watch them sit him now and FSU lose one...
FSU
ND
1 SEC West team
Oregon/BigTen champ (MSU/OSU)/TCU
Would be so much easier and practical with an 8 team playoff.................
FSU
ND
Miss St
Oregon
Mich St.
TCU
Alabama
Then the debate comes down to an Ole Miss or Baylor type of team getting in....makes you realize who the elites are versus who they aren't...I can live with that...I can't live with an ND team getting hosed because the committee drools all over Alabama getting in, even if they aren't even playing for their conf title....or even an Oregon team getting hosed so a second SEC team can sneak in....this 4 team playoff isn't going to last long til we have AD's telling univeristy presidents how much money is being left out there over a conf champ being left out in favor of a second SEC school or an independent school getting in....
Kind of unfair considering that ND isn't even in a conference. Who do you think would win between Bama and ND if they were to play on a neutral field? Just curious.
Kind of unfair considering that ND isn't even in a conference. Who do you think would win between Bama and ND if they were to play on a neutral field? Just curious.
FSU 13-0
Alabama 12-1
ND 11-1
Toss up between Miss State, Ole Miss, and Oregon who will all be at 1 loss.
I think it is a VERY fair statement....Alabama being in a conf is their choice, just like staying out of one is ND's choice.... ND plays just as tough, if not a tougher schedule then most of the schools in a conf.... So I believe my point is accurate.... How does a school, which isn't even good enough to win its conf, able to jump in front those schools that do win theirs?? I didn't like it a few years ago when that happened... I didn't like it when OSU/Mich was discussed as a possible NC game a few years before that....I don't like it now....You wanna play for a Nat'l Title? Win your conf...OR...make it an 8 team playoff where 3 at-larges get in with the 5 conf champs and beat those conf champs on the field....that would be legit....not jumping over another school that won their conf via polls/computers/ or some strange guys in suits who THINK, but don't know who is better than who....
As for the rest of my point....this 4 team playoff thing is junk....8 is the way it's heading...can you imagine what the AD and prez at Oregon/TCU/Baylor/Mich St. will be saying if 2 SEC schools, FSU, and ND get in, and they're left out?? That's 2 schools from 1 conf...1 independent....and 1 other conf champ....They're going to be ticked at this new 4 team system.....It's not just about championships...it's about exposure and MONEY....there is more money to be had with 8 teams, a healthy dose of competition amongst that years elite teams, and really no problems with someone arguing about number 9 or 10 being left out, like there is with #5 or 6 team in the nation being left out, when it's very debatable who is #3,4,5, & 6....it's going to be 5 conf champs and 3 at-larges; so everyone gets a bite of the "playoff-money tree-apple", and the debate is settled on the field.....every other sport gets it right; except D1 college football for some ridiculous reason....
Also, on a neutral site...I believe ND can beat any team in the country; Alabama included....Alabama has shown they are suspect on offense....glad they got it together for one game against a terrible A&M defense...but 'Bama lacks leadership and consistent QB play....they are NOT a dominant, unbeatable team...no one in college football is this season....if ND proved anything last night, it's that they can fight with the elites of the college football world and go punch for punch, round for round....I don't ride the ESPN love affair train for SEC football...I think Miss St. is legit this year, and that's about it...every other team in that conf has shown glaring weaknesses and would be about where they're at in other conf.'s....you really think Alabama would run the table in the Big 12 playing Oklahoma/TCU/Baylor/K-State/Texas? I don't....How about the Pac-12where they could face Oregon/USC/Stanford/UCLA/Arizona/Arizona St.? Again, they'd prolly have 1 loss...
The meat and potato's of the SEC West schedule is coming up....Miss St. and 'Bama play...Miss St and Ole Miss play...Auburn and Alabama still have to play...Auburn and Ole Miss still have to play....but to act like Alabama has already run the gauntlet and is the same program it was for the last 3-4 years is silly at best....the rest of the conf has caught up to them; as what always happens to dynasty's nearing the end of their run...
We'll see in November after ND has run the table, and the SEC West has beat each other up who is left standing....My best guess is Miss St., and even they will prolly have one loss; but they're the ones sitting in the driver's seat of the SEC West and can afford a loss without it being criplling to their NC hopes...but yeah, Alabama....let's see them escape their schedule without another loss before we jump them above other conf champs; and they would need to do so dominating and convincing-like; such as they did against A&M...which is the first time they played like that all year....
1) FSU 13-0
2) Bama 12-1
3) Oregon 12-1
4) ND 11-1
And a very butthurt Ole Miss at 11-1
I also think the Michigan State/Ohio State winner will go 12-1 and be left out
Bama, should they run the table, shouldn't be in the 4-team playoff because they didn't win their side of the conference? You can make a case that the 4 best teams in the SEC are all in the West. If Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss or Mississippi State were in the East, they'd win it rather easily. So teams from other quality conferences that finish with 1 loss, but don't win their conference should automatically not be in it? Yet ND should get rewarded because they don't belong to a conference? Again, I'm not saying they should join a conference, but isn't that hypocritical? Would ND go undefeated in the Big XII, SEC, or PAC-12? Much less win those leagues? Unlikely. I'd take the field in each of those 3 conferences.
They got it right in 2011. Alabama lost to the best team in the country during the regular season in overtime. Oklahoma State lost to a mediocre Iowa State team. That would've been the equivalent of Bama losing to Vanderbilt. You could also factor in that the Big XII didn't even half a conference championship game. If the "almighty" Oklahoma State team couldn't even beat a mediocre team, why should they have deserved a shot in New Orleans? In 2006, I was totally for a Michigan-Ohio State rematch. I felt that Michigan was more deserving than LSU, WVU or USC.
If Bama and ND both finish with 1 loss, and the last spot is up for grabs, the committee should consider the team that had more quality wins and who would beat who on a neutral field. With that said, both teams haven't really had impressive wins. Stanford and A&M have both been exposed badly. The West Virginia win looks a lot better after yesterday, but they still have a long way to go. ND still has USC and Arizona State, while Bama has Auburn and Mississippi State. Time will tell.
"but to act like Alabama has already run the gauntlet and is the same program it was for the last 3-4 years is silly at best." Uhh, did I ever say that they ran the gauntlet? Or that they were the same program for the last 3-4 years? No. Please re-read my post.
I'm more terrified of Muschump getting Florida's crap together for one game and them surprising FSU.....not sure which is more likely tho....FSU sitting Winston or Muschump winning.....
Don't get the bama love...they have a bad o line and decent defense. They are nothing like last year. Beating a&m 59-0 means nothing .beating Arkansas by 1 ...means nothing.
What will mean something is when they lose 2 more games this year and kiffin moves on to destroy another team.
Ole miss vs miss st will be a barn burner!
1. FSU 13-0
2. Mississippi State 12-1
3. Oregon 12-1
4. Michigan State 12-1
I agree in that those extra wins make them look better.
1. FSU 13-0
2. Mississippi State 12-1
3. Oregon 12-1
4. Michigan State 12-1