Who's The Nazi On This Board Who Turned ON The Filter Again?

[Jebediah Springfield]

Yeah I'm sorry but but this is silly... the Internet was made for boobs and cursing. Seems completely ridiculous and could better be handled by warning/moderating discrete displays of posting that crosses whatever subjective line we want to set.

Dave Chappelle's If the Internet was a real place


Chappelle Show: Internet from candeemeg99

 

[irishog77]

Lax just got the sh!t work detail-- sending out warnings to all posters who cuss.

That. And he has to wash all of JPham's socks and tighty whities for the next 6 months.

 

[GATTACA!]

Gattaca - I have absolutely no idea what the filter controls and what it doesn't, but I think the specifics are besides the point. The point of turning it back on, to me, is representative of a shift in philosophy from the top in regards to tolerability of certain patterns of conversation that have been occurring frequently.

Like I said before, I personally don't have an individual problem with cursing, but I do understand that it can turn people off to conversations (not just teenagers or women GK). Specifically, I have seen that many times excess cursing leads to some of the major derailing of threads that I know many posters loathe, and that is a shame.

I understand where you are coming from. My point is just that i don't see how turning the word off makes any positive improvement, all it will do is annoy those members (the vast majority) that can handle the word in a reasonable manner. Im all for trying to stop some of the derailings but i think there are more effective less intrusive ways of accomplishing it.

This is a free board to discuss Notre Dame football. You mods are watching over us from a place of love, not trying to censor us so you can run for office or put this on your resume. So im not trying to fight against the man, just wishing that the content would stay the way the majority of us like it, instead of catering to demographic that doesn't/hasn't existed regardless of what the swearing policy is.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Rogue mod is rogue.

That old man was awesome.... Just saying... lol

 

[gkIrish]

This is a good point that I hadn't fully considered. I would entertain the idea of leaving the Lounge a little less filtered than the rest of the board, if that ends up being the right balance between keeping things free flowing while maintaining that desired level of overall thoughtfulness and courtesy. Right now, though, the software isn't quite set up to allow for variable filtering/moderating so I would have to do a little digging to see whether adding that function is feasible. Thoughts on this from the rest of yous?

Could you get into more detail about what your goal is (and feel free to PM if you want)?

If it's to generate as much revenue as possible without crossing any lines (i.e. racism), then I don't see how this helps as the amount of people that stay away due to cussing is likely negligible and the people that may turn away if it gets over-moderated in here will cancel that out anyway.

If it's to provide a place for people to talk about ND football and other topics, this doesn't help either as 99% of us are adult males and I'm guessing 95% of us don't care if people cuss.

If something else, then maybe I can see where you are coming from but you'd have to tell us.

As Hog said, I view this as a place where I can talk about anything and everything with people who have the same interests as me while I work and have nothing else to do.

 

[Ironman8]

I understand where you are coming from. My point is just that i don't see how turning the word off makes any positive improvement, all it will do is annoy those members (the vast majority) that can handle the word in a reasonable manner. Im all for trying to stop some of the derailings but i think there are more effective less intrusive ways of accomplishing it.

This is a free board to discuss Notre Dame football. You Mods are watching over us from a place of love, not trying to censor us so you can run for office or put this on your resume. So im not trying to fight against the man, just wishing that the content would stay the way the majority of us like it, instead of catering to demographic that doesn't/hasn't existed regardless of what the swearing policy is.

The main thing I care about catering to is good discussion for all, with a primary focus on Notre Dame football. Demographics are nice, but realistically a College Football Internet Forum is mainly going to attract males ages 18-55.

Again, I don't care specifically about cursing on a personal level. I am just personally in favor of whatever enables the highest quality of conversation on this site. That's all.

 

[dshans]

first they came for my swear words, but I did not speak out because I didn't curse

Don't leave me hangin', dude; what did they come for next?

 

[GATTACA!]

Don't leave me hangin', dude; what did they come for next?

penis

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Yikes... No "No Pants Dance" for Gattaca!!! Sorry about your stump...

 

[ulukinatme]

What the Michigan is going on here?!

 

[GATTACA!]

Yikes... No "No Pants Dance" for Gattaca!!! Sorry about your stump...

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Awesome

Awesome

Penis































Carry on

LMAO..

 

[NDPhilly]

I don't want any teenagers on this forum in general. So if it keeps them away even better! As for women I don't have an opinion other than things always seem to get derailed if a woman posts so maybe it's better if they stay away too.

sorry

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Don't leave me hangin', dude; what did they come for next?

The grammar nazis, but I did not speak out because school is for nerds
Then they came for the people with bad opinions, but I did not speak out because my opinions are always correct
Then they came for the cool and smart and handsome guys, but no one spoke out for me because everyone else was taken away when they took the bad opinion guys

 

[gkIrish]

sorry

Lol let me clarify once and for all. By teenagers I meant 13-15 year olds. I'm sending

after them.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Care to enlighten me why you have to transpose "~18 year old / teenager" and "women" into a 14 year old?

Care to enlighten me as to why you believe your personal board preferences should take priority?

I don't care who is on the other end of the keyboard from me. This is not a boys club, despite what some may think. Sure, that is an avenue some could pursue, but that is not the creed of this board nor the reason and fundamental nature of it's existence.

This is a Notre Dame Discussion forum. I personally want and will welcome anyone who can positively contribute to Notre Dame football discussion, regardless of age or gender. We have had plenty of teenagers on here contribute positively before - several do right now, including some of your 'bros'.

I can definitely get behind this perspective.

Most posters (not necessarily members) come here for ND football news and talk. After that, I'd say the top reason for posters coming here and taking the time to read and type words on their screen and submit them in a thread is because it's their escape from their wives, girlfriends, kids, job, mortgage, bank account, health problems, societal and world problems, etc.

In other words, it's kind of why many men have Poker Night, have weekend trips to Vegas, or join the KC, Masons, Elk Club, etc. It's a safe oasis for like-minded people joined by their love of ND football.

I'm kind of with GK here. While women and 14 year olds can add something of value to this site, I'm not exactly sure what it is. I guess the one exception I can think of is if we get another STL-- a kid that likes to share a lot of recruiting info on here. But then STL got older, and became one of the dudes.

But conversely I can sympathize with this perspective.

This is a good point that I hadn't fully considered. I would entertain the idea of leaving the Lounge a little less filtered than the rest of the board, if that ends up being the right balance between keeping things free flowing while maintaining that desired level of overall thoughtfulness and courtesy. Right now, though, the software isn't quite set up to allow for variable filtering/moderating so I would have to do a little digging to see whether adding that function is feasible. Thoughts on this from the rest of yous?

When/if this becomes feasible, this sounds like the best compromise. Clean recruiting threads and grid iron conversations, Leprechaun-esk shenanigans and foul mouths in the lounge(s).

 

[Johannes]

Perhaps what was missing in this brief temperance of malediction was a collective agreement of what an acceptable amount of obscenity means. Put me in the crowd that finds the imagery in these parts to be beyond societal norms of good taste. And yet, there seems to be a reasonable understanding of the bounds that will be tolerated when it comes to images of women in various states of undress. Maybe a similar standard can be found for speech without resorting to outright banning of words?

I mean, we can all be adults here and agree to use **** sparingly. Right?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

The grammar nazis, but I did not speak out because school is for nerds
Then they came for the people with bad opinions, but I did not speak out because my opinions are always correct
Then they came for the cool and smart and handsome guys, but no one spoke out for me because everyone else was taken away when they took the bad opinion guys

You need to start up a modern day Tea Party... The Tit Party

 

[BobD]

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[gkIrish]

Perhaps what was missing in this brief temperance of malediction was a collective agreement of what an acceptable amount of obscenity means. Put me in the crowd that finds the imagery in these parts to be beyond societal norms of good taste. And yet, there seems to be a reasonable understanding of the bounds that will be tolerated when it comes to images of women in various states of undress. Maybe a similar standard can be found for speech without resorting to outright banning of words?

I mean, we can all be adults here and agree to use **** sparingly. Right?

I feel like being an adult inherently gives you the right to drop an F bomb whenever you want (at least on the Internet). F bombs don't offend a specific group of people...it's just a general cuss used in a zillion different ways. Of course we should never use the N word, C word, or anything like that as it demeans a specific type of person.

I could get behind a ban on "bad" words in recruit profiles, though. That seems like a fair compromise as I can see how parents of recruits may be turned off by it.

 

[Black Irish]

Well, I find the lot of you pretty offensive even without the curse words.



(Sticks nose in air and walks away with a haughty gait)

 

[ThePiombino]

Personally think the level of conversation dropped off more because of it being the offseason and us needing to keep ourselves occupied more than anything.

That and Koon's increased involvement in the site. Hey, can we have him filtered too while we're at it??!

 

[Jason Pham]

I understand where you are coming from. My point is just that i don't see how turning the word off makes any positive improvement, all it will do is annoy those members (the vast majority) that can handle the word in a reasonable manner. Im all for trying to stop some of the derailings but i think there are more effective less intrusive ways of accomplishing it.

This is a free board to discuss Notre Dame football. You mods are watching over us from a place of love, not trying to censor us so you can run for office or put this on your resume. So im not trying to fight against the man, just wishing that the content would stay the way the majority of us like it, instead of catering to demographic that doesn't/hasn't existed regardless of what the swearing policy is.

I appreciate that it seems a little far fetched, but the cursing (and instances of cursing by getting around the filters) was both far easier to moderate and far less frequent when the filter was last put into place. While there was a reasonable and perfectly expected number of gripes about having the filter in place, content and participation did not seem to at all suffer because of the filter. In contrast, even taking into account the off-season slump in discussion, at least some moderators and certain high-quality posters have commented on how a lack of respect/civility/decorum/level-of-conversation has disrupted threads and lead those same posters to take some time off of not just contributing to but even reading the boards.

In an ideal situation, I would have a bigger staff of moderators who are able to catch every post and make perfect ad hoc decisions on what is an is not gratuitous or excessive. We've tried that since dropping the filter a few months ago and it simply hasn't worked and, trivial or pedantic as it may seem to some, we've watch a few high-quality posters leave because of it.

To answer you, gk, my goal is to maintain the same level of respect and thoughtful discourse that was the cornerstone of bringing this board out of the the post-Svoboda vacuum to where it is today. I am convinced that the primary reason we are thriving today is because we tend to be a bunch of well-informed, thoughtful, welcoming guys. The trend since we've taken the filter offline, from my estimation, has been to move a little away from that (evidenced by the departure of certain long-time members) and until we find a more complete/balanced way to keep things at that level we're looking for, the filter is probably going to stay there.

 

[ulukinatme]

To answer the question posed in the title of the thread: I don't tend to mind the occasional use of swearing and the occurrence of swearing (via working around the filter) was generally reasonable before I dropped the filter a few months back (which is why I decided to drop the filter). Since dropping the filter, though, the swearing has become gratuitous in a way that has disrupted otherwise thoughtful discussion; several members have made note of this and I tend to agree with them.

There are plenty of places out there where you can have at it, but there's a minimum level of respect and courtesy that we want to maintain here and until we find a better way of ensuring that bare minimum is met, the filter is going to filter out a few words.

Love the thread title though. What a thoughtful, apt comparison.

Was in Maison Bleu? Be honest!

It almost definitely was.

Oh man, I was definitely thinking of Maison Bleu when I first saw this thread....

I gotta say that I've been a very, very repeat offender of the phrase "F Michigan" over the last month. I said it once in jest because...well...it's Michigan, it's a very big game this year, and they were cute with their goofy chicken **** last year. Well, then Maison Bleu started in with the "I thought this board was beyond childish behavior, wah, wah, wah." So, that just enticed me to incorporate it everywhere.

I would understand if more Irish fans and members have a problem with the cursing, I can respect that. I hope we're not changing policy because of one Michigan fan because, well, they're Michigan. They have their own board(s), we don't go there and dictate their policies.

I think it should also be pointed out that a few curse words hardly makes a board unsatisfactory. I browse a number of free college football boards, Buckeye Planet being one and the Shag being another. This board is easily tamer than any other boards I visit. This board is even stricter with the bewbs than some of the others...and bewbs should really be celebrated! I understand why there's limits though, and it's probably a good thing since I spend a lot of time on IE at work.

 

[Jason Pham]

Oh man, I was definitely thinking of Maison Bleu when I first saw this thread....

I gotta say that I've been a very, very repeat offender of the phrase "F Michigan" over the last month. I said it once in jest because...well...it's Michigan, it's a very big game this year, and they were cute with their goofy chicken **** last year. Well, then Maison Bleu started in with the "I thought this board was beyond childish behavior, wah, wah, wah." So, that just enticed me to incorporate it everywhere.

I would understand if more Irish fans and members have a problem with the cursing, I can respect that. I hope we're not changing policy because of one Michigan fan because, well, they're Michigan. They have their own board(s), we don't go there and dictate their policies.

Oh, my answer was totally tongue-in-cheek. I've never interacted with maison bleu.

 

[ulukinatme]

As far as teenagers go, I don't think we should worry about censoring for their sake. Teenagers are well aware of curse words by the time they're in junior high and high school. I can tell you there's no shortage of f bombs in a junior high or high school locker room.

 

[ulukinatme]

Oh, my answer was totally tongue-in-cheek. I've never interacted with maison bleu.

Haha, fair enough. I guess I feel better then...cause I would be really disappointed if we were having this discussion because of Michigan.

 

[BobD]

After long deliberation ( Approx 3 minutes) I've decided I like the filter. There are ways around it, so if you really need to cuss you can do it, but by having the filter it makes us pause and think about it for a second....just like most of us would at work or in public to make sure our language was fitting for the audience or situation.

Just my f ing opinion.

 

[anarin]

Soooooo...

Cuss words are bad and are a detriment to good football conversation.

If I don't like that cussing will be censored, I can take my business elsewhere.

Teens between 13-15 are unwelcome to forums.

People only get online for boobies and cuss words.

Threads are derailed because of cussing.

The state of michigan should be turned into a parking lot for walmart.

GOT IT!!!

 

[GATTACA!]

After long deliberation ( Approx 3 minutes) I've decided I like the filter. There are ways around it, so if you really need to cuss you can do it, but by having the filter it makes us pause and think about it for a second....just like most of us would at work or in public to make sure our language was fitting for the audience or situation.

Just my f ing opinion.

..............Mr. Weenie indeed