Rioting in St Louis

[calvegas04]

Number of cops killed by gunfire in 2013 dips to 33, lowest since 1887 | Fox News

wow thats a sad number, prayers go out to those putting their lives in danger for us.

 

[cody1smith]

There hasn't been any real rioting or looting since Sunday night/Monday morning. But everyone in Ferguson is a "thug" rioter and looter.

3 businesses broken into Tuesday 10 miles away. I was there today. Did not talk to a single person black or white that said one positive thing about the way they were acting.

 

[cody1smith]

Why are you taking this kids side over the police before we really know what happened?

Word on the street is the kid was on parole for an armed break in. And that the officer got the shit beat out of him prior to the shooting?

 

[Booslum31]

Why are you taking this kids side over the police before we really know what happened?

Word on the street is the kid was on parole for an armed break in. And that the officer got the shit beat out of him prior to the shooting?

Hadn't heard these things...

 

[BGIF]

Ferguson shooting: Protests turn peaceful as Highway Patrol takes over security | Fox News

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Hundreds of people protesting a police officer's fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager marched peacefully Thursday alongside state troopers in Ferguson, Missouri as the Highway Patrol took over supervising security in the city.

Several of the marchers stopped to shake hands with police and troopers, and some stopped to hug and chat with Capt. Ron Johnson of the Highway Patrol, who is overseeing security. The scene stood in stark contrast to clashes earlier this week when officers wore riot gear.

The latest protests had a light, almost jubilant atmosphere among the racially mixed crowd, more akin to a parade or block party. The streets were filled with music, free food and even laughter. When darkness fell --the point at which previous protests have grown tense -- no uniformed officers were in sight outside the burned-out QuikTrip convenience store that had become a flashpoint for standoffs between police and protesters.

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[BobD]

The Chief of Police just brought up an interesting fact. During this entire event not one protester was hurt.

 

[kmoose]

A quick google of Darren Wilson indicates that one "Sgt. Darren Wilson", of the Ferguson, MO police department is the President of the Ethical Society of Police, which "represents African-American police officers".

A google image search shows that the Darren Wilson of the Ethical Society of Police is a black man. What will the race baiters do, if it turns out that the cop that shot this kid is black?

 

[BGIF]

The Chief of Police just brought up an interesting fact. During this entire event not one protester was hurt.

Probably due to the judicious use of SWAT sniper scopes to ordinate the tear gas strikes.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

A quick google of Darren Wilson indicates that one "Sgt. Darren Wilson", of the Ferguson, MO police department is the President of the Ethical Society of Police, which "represents African-American police officers".

A google image search shows that the Darren Wilson of the Ethical Society of Police is a black man. What will the race baiters do, if it turns out that the cop that shot this kid is black?

I posed that question a few days ago. They will run home with their tails in between their legs, shut the doors, close the blinds, and try to disappear.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Don't let it be a black and a white one. Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top. Black police showing out for the white cop.

It's not white on black shooting. It's police on unarmed black man shooting.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Don't let it be a black and a white one. Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top. Black police showing out for the white cop.

It's not white on black shooting. It's police on unarmed black man shooting.

That post seems a bit contradicting, and it's been clear from day 1 in this thread that you know exactly what happened, how it happened, why it happened, and your position has already been chosen.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Wrong Darren Wilson.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily Beast

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

”He said I wasn’t getting one,” Davis said.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

“Because it’s 3 in the morning,” he later testified. “Who going to sleep on a cement floor?”

The booking officer summoned a number of fellow cops. One opened the cell door while another suddenly charged, propelling Davis inside and slamming him against the back wall.

“I told the police officers there that I didn’t do nothing, ‘Why is you guys doing this to me?’” Davis testified. “They said, ‘OK, just lay on the ground and put your hands behind your back.’”

Davis said he complied and that a female officer straddled and then handcuffed him. Two other officers crowded into the cell.

“They started hitting me,” he testified. “I was getting hit and I just covered up.”

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis’ head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis recalled. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

A patrol car took the bleeding Davis to a nearby emergency room. He refused treatment, demanding somebody first take his picture.

“I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me,” Davis said.

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of “property damage.” Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.

The remarkable turned inexplicable when Beaird was deposed in a civil case that Davis subsequently brought seeking redress and recompense.

“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.

“No, sir,” Beaird replied.

Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.

“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.

“It is, sir,” the cop said.

“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.

“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.

“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”

“You did, sir.”

“And didn’t you respond no?”

“Correct. I did.”

Beaird seemed to be either admitting perjury or committing it. The depositions of other officers suggested that the “property damage” charges were not just bizarre, but trumped up.

“There was no blood on my uniform,” said Police Officer Christopher Pillarick.

And then there was Officer Michael White, the one accused of kicking Davis in the head, an allegation he denies, as his fellow officers deny striking Davis. White had reported suffering a bloody nose in the mayhem.

“Did you see Mr. Davis bleeding at all?” the lawyer, Schottel, asked.

“I did not,” White replied.

“Did Mr. Davis get any blood on you while you were in the cell?” Schottel asked.

“No,” White said.

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”

“Who was in charge of personnel files, of maintaining them?” Schottel asked.

“I have no idea,” Moonier said. “I believe City Hall, but I don’t know.”

Schottel focused on the date of the incident.

“On September 20th, 2009, was there any way to identify any officers that were subject of one or more citizens’ complaints?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” Moonier said.

“Was there any way to identify any officers who had completed several use-of-force reports?”

“I don’t recall.”

But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion.

Schottel has appealed and expects to argue the case in December. He will contend that perjury is perjury however minor the charge and note that both the NFL and Major League Baseball have learned to consider a concussion a serious injury.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown on the afternoon of Aug. 9.

“Your chances on appeal are going up,” a fellow lawyer told him.

At least one witness has said that Brown was shot in the back and then in the chest and head as he turned toward the officer with his hands raised.

“I said, ‘Well, that doesn’t surprise me,’” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “I said I already know about Ferguson, nothing new can faze me about Ferguson.”

Schottel has also deposed the new chief, Thomas Jackson, who took over in 2010. Jackson testified that he has instituted a centralized system whereby all complaints lodged against cops by citizens or supervisors go through him and are assigned a number in an internal affairs log. Schottel views Jackson as “not a bad guy,” someone who has been trying to make positive change.

“He wants to do right, but it was such a mess,” Schottel said Wednesday.

Jackson has seemed less than progressive as he delayed identifying the officer involved in the shooting for fear it would place him and his family in danger. Jackson would only say the officer is white and has been on the job for six years. This means that for his first two and most formative years the officer might have been writing his own force reports and that none of them went into his file.

“It’s hard to get people to clean things up, especially if they’re used to doing things a certain way,” Schottel said.
On Friday, police finally identified the officer as Darren Wilson, who is said to have no disciplinary record, as such records are kept in Ferguson. We already know that he started out at a time when it was accepted for a Ferguson cop to charge somebody with property damage for bleeding on his uniform and later saying there was no blood on him at all.

 

[phork]

Breaking: PHOTOS RELEASED of Suspect Michael Brown ROBBING STORE Before Shooting | The Gateway Pundit

Involved in a robbery earlier that day.

 

[calvegas04]

After today's news about ND football, now the masses have a real reason to riot

 

[Irishnuke]

Breaking: PHOTOS RELEASED of Suspect Michael Brown ROBBING STORE Before Shooting | The Gateway Pundit

Involved in a robbery earlier that day.

Ruh roh. I'm sure this new piece of information will stop the rioting.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Even if he did shoplift, that's not a reason to shoot an unarmed person.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Ruh roh. I'm sure this new piece of information will stop the rioting.

The riots have been stopped since Sunday night/Monday morning.

 

[phork]

No its not. But when Grandma says "He was a good kid", clearly he isn't.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Even if he did shoplift, that's not a reason to shoot an unarmed person.

C'mon! Not saying the shooting was justified, but you're acting like his lawyer rather than talking about what most likely happened.

Even if the police are horrible and shoot innocent people all the time, it doesn't mean they did here!

NO ONE is claiming that someone was shot because they shoplifted. It's a question of whether you believe the cop's story or the other story, and we are starting to get some context that supports makes the police story seem a lot more likely.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The police story still involves an unnecessary shooting. The cop didn't even know about the alleged shoplifting so it really doesn't matter. He ran and was shot according to eyewitnesses.

I guess that explains why they didn't arrest his friend if they didn't know about the shoplifting.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

No its not. But when Grandma says "He was a good kid", clearly he isn't.

I don't think taking a pack of Swishers makes you a bad person.

 

[kmoose]

I don't think taking a pack of Swishers makes you a bad person.

No. But taking multiple packs of them without paying, and then manhandling the MUCH smaller clerk when they try to stop you, DOES.

 

[Grahambo]

The police story still involves an unnecessary shooting. The cop didn't even know about the alleged shoplifting so it really doesn't matter. He ran and was shot according to eyewitnesses.

I guess that explains why they didn't arrest his friend if they didn't know about the shoplifting.

How credible are the eyewitnesses? Can you assume they're telling the truth? It's a he said, he said situation. You don't know any of that. The kid DOES have a mean streak in him and ALLEGEDLY began to assault the cop in his car, at least according to the report. If there's a real struggle for the cops gun and IF Brown is saying things like I'm going to kill you and IS bigger then the cop, these things matter. You may not agree but they do matter.

Is he saying to the cop I'm going to stab you? I'm going to shoot you?

It's easy to say cop kills an unarmed teenager. It grabs headlines. It's about the totality of the circumstance. Don't be so quick to judge.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I don't think taking a pack of Swishers makes you a bad person.

I agree, but only if the thief is less than 12 years old.

 

[BGIF]

The riots have been stopped since Sunday night/Monday morning.

So what was this?


Looting, confrontation mar Ferguson's streets once more

By Ben Brumfield, Shimon Prokupecz and Steve Kastenbaum, CNN
updated 5:13 AM EDT, Sat August 16, 2014

Armored vehicles and law enforcement officers in riot gear with military style rifles returned to the streets of Ferguson early Saturday, while looters robbed a number of stores.
The confrontation began after more than two dozen protesters closed off a section of street near a convenience store, the Ferguson Market and Liquor store, that has become part of the case surrounding Michael Brown, the black teen who was killed by police gunfire one week ago.
It was one of the stores that was looted.

Looting, confrontation mar Ferguson's streets once more - CNN.com

Check the video at the link.

 

[irish4ever]

I don't think taking a pack of Swishers makes you a bad person.

Depends how you describe "bad". Regardless, if he UNLAWFULLY took the pack of Swishers (not paying) he was a damn THIEF!

 

[kmoose]

In the middle of the news media feeding frenzy, I think it is important not to lose sight of something:

Stealing cigars is no reason for a police officer to shoot you without cause. And not every resident of Ferguson is rioting and looting. However, those two facts, taken together, do make me more inclined to believe the police's side of this story. I know that there are multiple eyewitnesses that contradict the police's side, and I don't take the police's side as incontrovertible fact. But the looting and rioting does speak to me of a significant "us vs. them" mentality, in the city. I just don't see it as a stretch, to assume that some or possibly even all of these eyewitnesses either embellished, or flat out made up, part or all of their statement, in an effort to support the "us" in "us vs. them".

Having said all of that, it is important that the investigation remain focused on what happened during that interaction between the officer and the two young men. Was there a dash cam on the cruiser, that at least might have captured some audio that might provide a clearer understanding? It would at least confirm, or disprove, the one kid's assertion that the cop passed them, then slammed on his brakes and backed up almost into them.

 

[calvegas04]

In the middle of the news media feeding frenzy, I think it is important not to lose sight of something:

Stealing cigars is no reason for a police officer to shoot you without cause. .

Also important no one has been shot during the rioting