'10 FL CB Cody Riggs (Notre Dame Transferee)

[Huntr]

I foresee lots of Riggs and Luke on the field together.

The soph Luke over the veteran KRuss?

 

[Cackalacky]

The freshman Luke over the veteran KRuss?

No, nickle.

Russell, Redfield, Collinsworth/Shumate/Hardy, Riggs, Luke, Smith, Turner/Onwualu,
DLIne

 

[Huntr]

No, nickle.

Russell, Redfield, Collinsworth/Shumate/Hardy, Riggs, Luke, Smith, Turner/Onwualu,
DLIne

Ah, I see. I think Riggs and Luke might split more PT in non-nickel situations. We'll see what happens, tho'.

 

[Irishman77]

DB ranking of our roster IMHO
1. Russell
2. Luke
3. Riggs
4. Redfield
5. Butler
6. Shumate
7. Baratti
8. Collinsworth
9. JO (could soar up this list to 4-5)
10. Watkins
11. Hardy
12. Tranquill
13. Atkinson
14. Brown
15. Farley

 

[Cackalacky]

Ah, I see. I think Riggs and Luke might split more PT in non-nickel situations. We'll see what happens, tho'.

I apologize for the confusion. I pretty much assumed Russell and Redfield are DB starters. I am unsure how the other safety and CB position shakes out though. Definitely will have to see. I just think Riggs has too much experience from playing at Florida. Luke will have to beat him out or Riggs will have to struggle picking up what BvG is laying down.

 

[Cackalacky]

DB ranking of our roster IMHO
1. Russell
2. Luke
3. Riggs
4. Redfield
5. Butler
6. Shumate
7. Baratti
8. Collinsworth
9. JO (could soar up this list to 4-5)
10. Watkins
11. Hardy
12. Tranquill
13. Atkinson
14. Brown
15. Farley

LOL at Farley. Not picking on you but he will most definitely see the field before 10-14 (minus Hardy), if he sees the field at all.

I hate that Shumate and Hardy have not done more in their time. maybe it was Diaco's scheme, but shit... super disappointed there. I agree that they are down the chart IMO.

 

[koonja]

I think Riggs is going to play a lot. I wonder if he could steal the safety spot from Colinsworth?

It'd be a huge upgrade in athleticism and I don't have faith in Shummate taking it at this point, although that's the ideal situation IMO.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm starting to think (if Riggs truly is the real deal) that Riggs at safety and Shumate moving back to nickel might be awesome. Allows Shumate to go back to where he excelled as a freshman, and having an experienced player next to Redfield would be good.

 

[koonja]

DB ranking of our roster IMHO
1. Russell
2. Luke
3. Riggs
4. Redfield
5. Butler
6. Shumate
7. Baratti
8. Collinsworth
9. JO (could soar up this list to 4-5)
10. Watkins
11. Hardy
12. Tranquill
13. Atkinson
14. Brown
15. Farley

I have him at 16, right behind Bon Jovi with the knee injury.

 

[Emcee77]

Ha. I think a healthy Farley will surprise some people this year. If we redo this list midseason, I bet he cracks some people's top 10's.

 

[PANDFAN]

I have him at 16, right behind Bon Jovi with the knee injury.

 

[rtrn2glory]

at the very least i think we can at least expect farley to help out on special teams this year with his game experience.

 

[GoIrish41]

I know Farley had some injury issues last year, but he really appeared to dip his head nearly every time before contact. His fundamentals in both tackling and coverage are below average, IMO. Last year really surprised me. I thought he was going to be a rising star after he stepped up his freshman year, but he appears to have regressed.

I'm really expecting Shumate to steop up this year. That kid is just too athletic and too hard a hitter not to see significant playing time, IMO. I think IrishLion may be right about him sliding into the nickle slot.

 

[koonja]

I know Farley had some injury issues last year, but he really appeared to dip his head nearly every time before contact. His fundamentals in both tackling and coverage are below average, IMO. Last year really surprised me. I thought he was going to be a rising star after he stepped up his freshman year, but he appears to have regressed.

I'm really expecting Shumate to steop up this year. That kid is just too athletic and too hard a hitter not to see significant playing time, IMO. I think IrishLion may be right about him sliding into the nickle slot.

Did he? I never saw that officialy announced. I could have misses it, but all I remember is Ironman speculated that he thought Farley had a hidden shoulder injury because his tackling was so poor, and people ran with it on here, but I don't remember the coaches, Farley, or other players ever mentioning an injury.

 

[Irishman77]

When Kelly came in our db situation was dire! Probably need to go back a century or so to see such a mess.

If you were 6 foot and ran under a 5.0 forty we had a scholarship (turner)

Diaco had voodoo profiles for recruits and we missed the boat during his tutelage.

We had a soccer player starting at safety!!!

Those days are long gone and when KR goes top 10 in the draft we will be able to land at least one elite db every year.

 

[Cackalacky]

Did he? I never saw that officialy announced. I could have misses it, but all I remember is Ironman speculated that he thought Farley had a hidden shoulder injury because his tackling was so poor, and people ran with it on here, but I don't remember the coaches, Farley, or other players ever mentioning an injury.

I believe that to be that the case and that it was an injury he could play through. BK does not like to put out injury news and he typically only does if it is something long term (ie his ire at Malik for tweeting about his mono).

 

[koonja]

I believe that to be that the case and that it was an injury he could play through. BK does not like to put out injury news and he typically only does if it is something long term (ie his ire at Malik for tweeting about his mono).

True, but after the season he usually says 'player X was playing with____'. I never heard anything about Farley, though.

Again, could have been injured and I missed the announcement, but I think that was a rumor that was never confirmed.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

We had a soccer player starting at safety!!!

Shane Walton was a pretty good CB, no?

 

[Irishman77]

The fact that Farley was moved from safety as soon as Diaco left and redfield instantly started when Diaco left is no coincidence.

 

[Emcee77]

True, but after the season he usually says 'player X was playing with____'. I never heard anything about Farley, though.

Again, could have been injured and I missed the announcement, but I think that was a rumor that was never confirmed.

I'm pretty sure he did say something like that, but I can't be certain.

I definitely remember hearing something post-season and thinking that it confirmed the rumor that Farley was playing with a bad shoulder, but I forget what I heard or exactly when I heard it.

 

[PANDFAN]

I'm pretty sure he did say something like that, but I can't be certain.

I definitely remember hearing something post-season and thinking that it confirmed the rumor that Farley was playing with a bad shoulder, but I forget what I heard or exactly when I heard it.

this was the common thinking around here because why the drop off in production...Here is straight from the horses mouth w/ NO indication of any injury

coach Brian Kelly explained it Friday, Farley has the type of skill set that can transfer well to cornerback.

"We think that he can be a very good player, especially a tackler from an outside‑in position," Kelly said. "He's been playing inside‑out, right — he's been running the alley inside‑out. We think he can be a very good force player from an outside in position, and he's really a good athlete. He can run, and he's got very good ball skills."
Farley had a handful of high-profile missed tackles last fall playing inside-out at safety, and the move to cornerback was made to give him a better angle to make tackles. It's an admission of Farley's struggles last year but a nod to the talent he still possesses.


Notre Dame aims to put Matthias Farley in a better position | CSN Chicago

 

[Emcee77]

this was the common thinking around here because why the drop off in production...Here is straight from the horses mouth w/ NO indication of any injury

coach Brian Kelly explained it Friday, Farley has the type of skill set that can transfer well to cornerback.

"We think that he can be a very good player, especially a tackler from an outside‑in position," Kelly said. "He's been playing inside‑out, right — he's been running the alley inside‑out. We think he can be a very good force player from an outside in position, and he's really a good athlete. He can run, and he's got very good ball skills."
Farley had a handful of high-profile missed tackles last fall playing inside-out at safety, and the move to cornerback was made to give him a better angle to make tackles. It's an admission of Farley's struggles last year but a nod to the talent he still possesses.

Notre Dame aims to put Matthias Farley in a better position | CSN Chicago

Well, the portion you bolded is the writer's interpretation; that part does NOT come straight from Kelly. The writer could be wrong.

I still think I heard something confirming the injury, but again, I can't be certain.

 

[PANDFAN]

Well, the portion you bolded is the writer's interpretation; that part does NOT come straight from Kelly. The writer could be wrong.

I still think I heard something confirming the injury, but again, I can't be certain.

“We were trying to get him to replace [safeties] Zeke Motta and Harrison Smith, two pretty good players and two physical players. And he’s not that kind of player. He got that tag of he’s not as physical. Well, that’s not his best trait,” Kelly said.

“He’s really smart, he’s got some tools I think that if we play him in the right position, he can really help our defense. I’m not going to say he was unfairly evaluated in a sense, but he was put in a very difficult position last year and we really think he can help our defense in a role that doesn’t focus on him being a hard-hitting safety.”
“You have to know how everything fits, how you fit in it, getting the calls to everybody. It was definitely a lot,” he said. “But I think it was a beneficial year, going through some struggles, some ups and downs and coming out better for it.”

Now he is tackling a different task.

“There’s more reading and reacting based on what the quarterback does,” Farley said. “You don’t have to think as much about what’s going on around you and I think that I am fast enough and strong enough to play the position.”
he wasn't strong enough to play safety but will be better suited as a db
Notre Dame’s Matthias Farley switching from safety to cornerback - Chicago Sun-Times

 

[Emcee77]

I still don't see how this proves that he was healthy last year.

I get what you are saying ... if he was hurt, you'd think Kelly would have mentioned it.

But it's equally possible that Farley was hurt, and Kelly thinks that even if he were healthy, he would have been better off in the CB role.

I mean, this part:

I’m not going to say he was unfairly evaluated in a sense, but he was put in a very difficult position last year and we really think he can help our defense in a role that doesn’t focus on him being a hard-hitting safety.

To me that actually sounds like he is saying that Farley WAS hurt, i.e., Farley was almost "unfairly evaluated" in a sense because he is being judged on how he played last season when wasn't 100%, or "in a very difficult position." But Kelly thinks that, even taking into account that he was hurt, he is better off as an outside-in player.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

When Kelly came in our db situation was dire! Probably need to go back a century or so to see such a mess.

If you were 6 foot and ran under a 5.0 forty we had a scholarship (turner)

Diaco had voodoo profiles for recruits and we missed the boat during his tutelage.

We had a soccer player starting at safety!!!

Those days are long gone and when KR goes top 10 in the draft we will be able to land at least one elite db every year.

Eh, we had some good ones. Harrison Smith was a 1st round pick ('nuf said), Blanton played pretty well, and Gary Gray did have a good year in 2010. Slaughter would have been a beast if he had stayed healthy (the fact that he was drafted despite missing all of 2012 with a major knee injury is a testament to that). But this is clearly the deepest we've ever been at DB and hopefully the best.

 

[koonja]

I still don't see how this proves that he was healthy last year.

I get what you are saying ... if he was hurt, you'd think Kelly would have mentioned it.

But it's equally possible that Farley was hurt, and Kelly thinks that even if he were healthy, he would have been better off in the CB role.

I mean, this part:



To me that actually sounds like he is saying that Farley WAS hurt, i.e., Farley was almost "unfairly evaluated" in a sense because he is being judged on how he played last season when wasn't 100%, or "in a very difficult position." But Kelly thinks that, even taking into account that he was hurt, he is better off as an outside-in player.

I think you're grasping for staws a bit, and if Kelly didn't mention an injury during OR after a season (which he seems to have no problem doing - Greg Bryant, Nix, Tuitt - recent examples), it's more likely that there was never an injury.

What's the incentive for NOT mentioning an injury when trying to defend Farley's poor play? Seems like a great way to hush the Farley doubters such as myself if there was in fact an injury to blame.

 

[Irish Fam]

I can't remember the last time I was comfortable with playing 4 different corners

 

[Emcee77]

I think you're grasping for staws a bit, and if Kelly didn't mention an injury during OR after a season (which he seems to have no problem doing - Greg Bryant, Nix, Tuitt - recent examples), it's more likely that there was never an injury.

What's the incentive for NOT mentioning an injury when trying to defend Farley's poor play? Seems like a great way to hush the Farley doubters such as myself if there was in fact an injury to blame.

I've said all along that I think he did mention the injury after the season, or someone did, but I'm not sure. I heard something about which left me with no doubt that he was hurt.

I'm saying he did mention it, but obliquely. He's up there answering questions off the cuff; it's not like he stopped and thought about how some message board posters might interpret his answers. The injury was likely beside the point ... he was just explaining that he thinks Farley is a better player playing outside-in.

This debate is pointless. He didn't mention an injury, nor did he say that Farley was healthy. These remarks prove nothing.

 

[koonja]

I've said all along that I think he did mention the injury after the season, or someone did, but I'm not sure. I heard something about which left me with no doubt that he was hurt.

I'm saying he did mention it, but obliquely. He's up there answering questions off the cuff; it's not like he stopped and thought about how some message board posters might interpret his answers. The injury was likely beside the point ... he was just explaining that he thinks Farley is a better player playing outside-in.

This debate is pointless. He didn't mention an injury, nor did he say that Farley was healthy. These remarks prove nothing.

Fair enough.

It's true that it doesn't prove anything, but the absence of clarification doesn't mean it's a 50-50 chance. BK has had no problem disclosing player injuries after the season, and IMO I don't see why he would for Farley when it'd be an easy way to explain his play last year. I personally think that if BK hasn't mentioned an injury, it's much more likely there wasn't one.

But like you said, you think you heard him at some point, so you could be right.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Laugh at Farley but Riggs was not much better last season.. both were terrible in fact.