Manning better than Brady?

[IrishJayhawk]

Yeah well when has Manning ever had a season like the one the Pats just went through? Brady lost his top 4 targets from last season plus their starting RB from last season was 3rd on the depth chart this season. I'm pretty sure the Pats had a shitload of turnover the defense this season as well. Brady still guided the Pats to the AFCCG.

Manning for most of his career has had better weapons than Brady. Brady had a couple good years with Moss but Manning had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in their primes. Edgerrin James is better than any RB Brady has ever worked with. Today's match was ridiculously one sided as far weapons go and overall team completeness. Manning has the better O-line, RB's, WR's, TE's, and defense.

True. Doesn't take away from how good Manning was. It's still true.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

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[Rhode Irish]

Kind of surprised to see this pop up today, because I didn't really see this game as a referendum on Brady vs. Manning because of the disparities between the two rosters. I'm taking nothing away from Peyton; I really like him and recognize how great he is. But realistically, Denver was better than New England from week 1 to today. Our win over Denver in November was great, but it was in NE in freezing temperatures and we had Gronkowski and Denver was without Julius Thomas. Even then, we barely squeaked it out in OT after a huge comeback.

I give Peyton his due, 100%. It doesn't change the fact I'd rather have Brady. There is obviously not an easy answer to who is better. It is a matter of opinion. (The point of this thread originally was supposed to be an admittedly semi-trolly joke as I was sitting in traffic leaving Gillette after the November game.)

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Patriots fans have the sandiest vaginas of all football fans.

Yeah, that's rich.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

You guys forgot that Colorado legalized the hippie lettuce.

Denver has a high flying offense with Peyton at the helm.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah well when has Manning ever had a season like the one the Pats just went through? Brady lost his top 4 targets from last season plus their starting RB from last season was 3rd on the depth chart this season. I'm pretty sure the Pats had a shitload of turnover the defense this season as well. Brady still guided the Pats to the AFCCG.

Manning for most of his career has had better weapons than Brady. Brady had a couple good years with Moss but Manning had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne in their primes. Edgerrin James is better than any RB Brady has ever worked with. Today's match was ridiculously one sided as far weapons go and overall team completeness. Manning has the better O-line, RB's, WR's, TE's, and defense.

Manning had better receivers, but Brady's offensive line was always better than Manning's.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

A more interesting debate would be "Would the Raiders or Browns have won a SB if they drafted PM or TB?"

 

[rtrn2glory]

The Patriots need to get Brady something to work with during the twilight of his career. I'm all for the fit guys into your system and everything, but it's time to start spending some money and getting some skill players that will make that offense just as potent as Peyton's if not better, especially with a healthy Gronk.

Brady's more than earned the right to have a dependable WR. he gets a stud or two with another dependable RB to pair with Blount they'll be the best offense in the league

 

[Irish Insanity]

Neither are that good. Welker has made them what they are.

 

[Bubbles]

Guys.....the only true measure of a QB is how often you are subjected to one of his commercials. Clearly, Manning is light years ahead of Brady.

 

[Irish YJ]

The Patriots need to get Brady something to work with during the twilight of his career. I'm all for the fit guys into your system and everything, but it's time to start spending some money and getting some skill players that will make that offense just as potent as Peyton's if not better, especially with a healthy Gronk.

Brady's more than earned the right to have a dependable WR. he gets a stud or two with another dependable RB to pair with Blount they'll be the best offense in the league

When Brady wins, people say how he can win with anyone. When he loses, he was without xxxx....... meh.

 

[Rhode Irish]

The Patriots need to get Brady something to work with during the twilight of his career. I'm all for the fit guys into your system and everything, but it's time to start spending some money and getting some skill players that will make that offense just as potent as Peyton's if not better, especially with a healthy Gronk.

Brady's more than earned the right to have a dependable WR. he gets a stud or two with another dependable RB to pair with Blount they'll be the best offense in the league

The problem is really that #81 is in jail and #87 is hurt. Those were to be the primary weapons and both weren't there at the end. They didn't know that would be the case when they let Welker go. And honestly, I'm not sure keeping Welker would have fixed much. Patriots' problem wasn't a lack of short white WRs. They did bring in two rookies they like in Thompkins and Dobson, both of whom were hurt a lot this year but still had pretty good debut seasons. I just don't think it is realistic to expect them to go spend a ton of money or draft picks to sign or trade for a premier guy. That just isn't their philosophy for roster construction, and if they hadn't been snake bit this year it might have been good enough, as it frequently has been in the last decade plus.

 

[rtrn2glory]

When Brady wins, people say how he can win with anyone. When he loses, he was without xxxx....... meh.

i don't understand how this means that he doesn't deserve to have studs with him? he can win with anyone imagine if he had guys that were every bit the player he was.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I dislike the Patriots, A LOT. But I think Brady is better. I don't think he's necessarily done more with less as some say, as his teams had strengths and weaknesses just as Mannings did. Brady has had the better career. He's been to, and won, more super bowls.

 

[rtrn2glory]

The problem is really that #81 is in jail and #87 is hurt. Those were to be the primary weapons and both weren't there at the end. They didn't know that would be the case when they let Welker go. And honestly, I'm not sure keeping Welker would have fixed much. Patriots' problem wasn't a lack of short white WRs. They did bring in two rookies they like in Thompkins and Dobson, both of whom were hurt a lot this year but still had pretty good debut seasons. I just don't think it is realistic to expect them to go spend a ton of money or draft picks to sign or trade for a premier guy. That just isn't their philosophy for roster construction, and if they hadn't been snake bit this year it might have been good enough, as it frequently has been in the last decade plus.

look what he did back in 2007...one game from a perfect season.

i honestly think that they could put up similar stats with more elite personnel. they need to go all in on these next few years imo, b/c Brady isn't getting any younger

 

[phork]

Peyton Manning is the smartest football guy ever in the history of ever. However in the the clutch I would take Brady hands down. Manning is 5-10 vs Brady.

Y! SPORTS

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Peyton Manning is the smartest football guy ever in the history of ever. However in the the clutch I would take Brady hands down. Manning is 5-10 vs Brady.

Y! SPORTS

He's also led favored teams to one-and-done playoff appearances several times.

Are Peyton Manning's one-and-dones his fault? - ESPN

 

[Rhode Irish]

look what he did back in 2007...one game from a perfect season.

i honestly think that they could put up similar stats with more elite personnel. they need to go all in on these next few years imo, b/c Brady isn't getting any younger

Yeah, but they got Moss from Oakland for nothing (5th rd pick, I believe). They aren't cheap for the sake of it. They believe in investing in the back of their roster and spreading the cap around 1-53. They spend to the cap, they just won't load up on high priced skill position players (other than Brady, obviously). Philosophically, they have a certain way they want to put the roster together. It is hard to argue with it, too. They've been knocking on the door every year and just need things to break their way to win. If they change their philosophy there is no guarantee they would get back to even that point. They definitely need to upgrade the talent, but they'll do it their way.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yeah, but they got Moss from Oakland for nothing (5th rd pick, I believe). They aren't cheap for the sake of it. They believe in investing in the back of their roster and spreading the cap around 1-53. They spend to the cap, they just won't load up on high priced skill position players (other than Brady, obviously). Philosophically, they have a certain way they want to put the roster together. It is hard to argue with it, too. They've been knocking on the door every year and just need things to break their way to win. If they change their philosophy there is no guarantee they would get back to even that point. They definitely need to upgrade the talent, but they'll do it their way.

i hear what you're saying, but imo it's time to adjust that philosophy a bit to help out Brady.

sure injuries and off field issues have killed them the past year or two, but at the same time i just don't see the personnel they have being able to win the big one.

agree with you i have mad respect for what they've been able to do from an outsiders perspective, but it's so much harder to do this in football than it is in baseball like the red sox did due to the much higher probability of injuries in football

 

[ab2cmiller]

Today Brady played average at best, He missed open receivers for what should've been big plays that definitely changed the complexion of the game. If Manning would've done that, critics would've slammed Manning as choking in another big game. For whatever reason, Brady is given a pass.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Today Brady played average at best, He missed open receivers for what should've been big plays that definitely changed the complexion of the game. If Manning would've done that, critics would've slammed Manning as choking in another big game. For whatever reason, Brady is given a pass.

Really?

Brady didn't play well today. But he's got an 18-8 playoff record after today. Manning is 11-11.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Really?

Brady didn't play well today. But he's got an 18-8 playoff record after today. Manning is 10-11.

As others have tried to debate who's better, it's open to interpretation based upon a huge number of reasons.

All I'm pointing out is that Manning would've played as bad as Brady did today, he would've been crucified as a choke artist. Brady gets a pass.

 

[Irish Insanity]

^I would attribute that to Brady having a better career playoff record and more rings.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

As others have tried to debate who's better, it's open to interpretation based upon a huge number of reasons.

All I'm pointing out is that Manning would've played as bad as Brady did today, he would've been crucified as a choke artist. Brady gets a pass.

You said "for whatever reason..."

The reason is that Manning has very often led favored teams who have gone one-and-done in the playoffs. Brady, prior to today, had a better playoff win percentage than Joe Montana and was within a few percentage points of Terry Bradshaw.

 

[Irishnuke]

The last two times Manning and Brady have met in the playoffs, Manning has won.

 

[anarin]

You said "for whatever reason..."

The reason is that Manning has very often led favored teams who have gone one-and-done in the playoffs. Brady, prior to today, had a better playoff win percentage than Joe Montana and was within a few percentage points of Terry Bradshaw.

Another great reason that winning percentage points aren't a great selling point in this kind of debate.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Brady is 8-8 in the playoffs since the 2004 playoffs. Peyton is 8-6 since then. Manning has made more Super Bowls and has won more Super Bowls since the 2004 playoffs. Peyton is 5-4 against Brady since those playoffs as well. Those head-to-head stats show that Brady played on a much better team from '01 to '04. That's it.

 

[irishfan]

Brady is 8-8 in the playoffs since the 2004 playoffs. Peyton is 8-6 since then. Manning has made more Super Bowls and has won more Super Bowls since the 2004 playoffs. Peyton is 5-4 against Brady since those playoffs as well. Those head-to-head stats show that Brady played on a much better team from '01 to '04. That's it.

To tweak an early argument you used, when Brady wins he has a better team? When Peyton wins, its because he is a better quarterback? Its not like the Pats have been a juggernaut, they've been a pretty flawed team many year since 04.

 

[Irish#1]

Manning is clearly the better of the two and there is one stat no one else has brought up that proves it.

Manning was hilarious on SNL. Brady wasn't.

END OF DEBATE!

 

[phork]

Manning is clearly the better of the two and there is one stat no one else has brought up that proves it.

Manning was hilarious on SNL. Brady wasn't.

END OF DEBATE!

I'll give you that. The SNL point is very key.