JFK

[Cackalacky]

He was killed because he wanted to expose UFOs

Secret memo shows JFK demanded UFO files 10 days before assassination | Mail Online

He was killed by Australians wanting to sell newspapers.

The Christchurch Star and the assassination of John F. Kennedy, 1963 - Christchurch City Libraries

He was killed be by Daddy Bush, who wanted moar oil!!

JFK MURDER SOLVED - Reward

He was killed by the CIA because of Cuba

OpEdNews - Article: JFK assassination: CIA and New York Times are still lying to us

He was killed by Cuba

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...j4D4Aw&usg=AFQjCNEo3xoBtQY6HgTbj53t9he3uf4oPw

Starbucks killed JFk, either to sell some espresso… or just for the fvcking fun of it…

What is a JFK in Starbucks jargon

The mob killed JFK… because, well duh, they’re the freaking Mob…

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...O9If9IZY1lUQHm3xxcVTUxw&bvm=bv.56343320,d.b2I


I guess Mick Jagger was right when he said, “I cried out, who killed the Kennedy's?!?... When after all it was you and me.”

lol.

 

[Cackalacky]

Sometimes the messager kills the message... the guy is bat **** crazy... I'll buy the Starbucks thoery before I take anything he has to say about anything seriously.

Hunt or Ventura?

 

[ACamp1900]

Hunt or Ventura?

lol... did you seriously just ask that??? The 'roid head.

 

[Cackalacky]

lol... did you seriously just ask that??? The 'roid head.

Yeah I did. Hunt was a character too. IDK. Ventura seems pretty credible to me.

 

[#1rish]

Only Sean Connery and Nic Cage know

 

[ACamp1900]

The Rock reference... this thread has everything...


anyway, I have watched the AZ film numerous times over the years... pay attention to the crowd on the far side of the road... many of them appear to have cameras... other than the Mary Moorman "Badge Man" photos I am not aware of many pics from that side that ever came out... Always seemed odd to me... also right after the kill shot, pay attention to the man standing closest to the President's car... it appears he is either holding a very old camera or an early wind up video camera...

also look for Mary Willis, who to me was a key witness that the investigation completely ignored... you can see her running with the car just before the shooting... she stops, and looks back at the depository when the shots begin... I would assume she is reacting to sound... She claims a loud sound made her look back TOWARD the car once the kill shot occurs... she has also maintained for years that she heard more than three shots.

anyway, like I said, I've been open to everything for years... very interesting stuff.

 

[ACamp1900]

BTW, other than this one event, when do we ever use the phrase 'grassy knoll' to describe a small incline??

lol

 

[Redbar]

The Mobster that Acamp was referring to was Carlos Marcellos, a New Orleans mob boss. He was deported by the Kennedy's and (snuck back in the country) had major investments in Cuba, before the revolution, that were all lost post Castro, and was a huge advocate for the Bay of Pigs. He was IMO involved. There is a waterway that is called The Gulf Outlet Canal, which was dug through St Bernard Parish and featured Cold Storage Docks, Cement Plant, and Containerized cargo docks (all mob run industries, in New Orleans) Lady Bird Johnson was responsible for securing the funding and bringing the parties together for this huge undertaking. It was closed for ship traffic after Hurricane Katrina as it was blamed for the destruction in St. Bernard Parish. Louisiana and Texas ports are highly competitive, her involvement in the creation of a port that housed facilities almost exclusively run by Carlos Marcellos has always seemed odd to me. Particularly since this meant more competition for Texas ports. There are many more obvious connections, and ancillary reasons, that would indicate LBJ was involved in the assassination of JFK.

 

[ACamp1900]

I am actually currently reading "Havana Nocturne" which is all about how the Mafia won and lost Cuba. Good read so far.

 

[ACamp1900]

Also, Why?... Let’s take LHO as the lone killer, the thing that keeps this alive, there is no clear motive and the answers died with him. If you believe the government’s take they believe LHO tried to kill a political opponent of Kennedy just months before the assassination… I guess there could be the flaw of looking for rational thought in irrational actions but come on… Why?

 

[nlroma1o]

This thread is amazing!!! You guys are the freaking best! I have always been extremely fascinated with this event in history. I was exposed to this event at a pretty young age. I remember being at my grandparents hanging out with my grandpa when he was watching a documentary on this. It must have been the mid 90's i was probably 8 or 9. That was the first time i learned about the assassination. Since then i have obviously learned much more on the topic.

I personally have never believed the Warren Commission. It just doesn't add up, and it happened at a time in our history when there was an immense level of political pressure and i mean the whole cold war thing was going on... I always thought the CIA was involved. I actually heard that from my dad. lol. But until now, I never thought that this all originated from LBJ. NOW THAT GUY HAD A MOTIVE!! I may have to read that book soon.

 

[Black Irish]

I swing back and forth on this issue. When I was younger, the conspiracy theory (obviously) held a lot of mysterious appeal to me. Nowadays, I'm still open to the conspiracy aspect because there are so many loose ends and unanswered questions. But, I've come to learn that sometimes, bad and inexplicable things just happen. Truth can be stranger than fiction. It wouldn't surprise me if Oswald acted alone, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of conspiracy behind it all either.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm very close to BI though I think someone else being involved is more likely than not...

 

[alaskandomer]

To be a good history teacher and/or historian, I think the first rule should be: you have to be a good storyteller. To do this, you not only have to have a good grasp of facts but also be able to weave them within the context that it occurred. Second rule: try to hide biases and let the students be the interpreters. These are some the key fundamentals of the historian's craft.

All true. I had terrible history teachers in high school, but fell in love with the subject at ND, and ended up majoring in history. One of the best civil war history writers, Bruce Caton, hid his biases so well that northerners often feel he favored the south, and southerners feel he favored the north. I was 11 when JFK was assassinated. America lost her innocence that day. I've always believed that others were involved. Some of that may be because it was so hard to believe that one person could so damage our country. I've always suspected that LBJ was involved in some way (Most to gain, happened in Texas...).

 

[BobD]

IMHO Oswald shot JFK, the end. The man was a head case.

 

[Redbar]

IMHO Oswald shot JFK, the end. The man was a head case.

Then, Ruby shot Oswald, the end. That man was a head case too.

 

[phgreek]

IMHO Oswald shot JFK, the end. The man was a head case.

I think he did to...indeed he seemed to be a head case.

But I don't think its possible that his rifle, from his angle delivered the kill shot.

 

[BGIF]

IMHO Oswald shot JFK, the end. The man was a head case.

Let me guess. Because your government said so.

 

[palinurus]

I wonder if it would be interesting to run a poll on this:

Oswald, acting alone

Oswald, acting with others

Others, without Oswald

Of course, you could then have another poll of who the "Others" are.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I have no problem with people believing anything they want on this case simply because our government did such a **** poor job on every event that happened directly due to the assassination.

One thing ill never believe is The Warren Commission, they used the CIA to investigate the crime to come up with a report. Makes zero sense why they wouldn't use their own investigators

 

[Cackalacky]

I have no problem with people believing anything they want on this case simply because our government did such a **** poor job on every event that happened directly due to the assassination.

One thing ill never believe is The Warren Commission, they used the CIA to investigate the crime to come up with a report. Makes zero sense why they wouldn't use their own investigators

You should investigate further who appointed the Commission instead of allowing independent investigations from Congress, and who all was appointed. Further you should check out what evidence was provided to the Commission by the FBI. There is a lot of "evidence" that was deemed unworthy for consideration.

One interesting person of note was Allan Dulles, former CIA Director. The JFK Admin fired Dulles after the Bay of Pigs. JFK also was planning to rescind powers of the CIA to just intelligence gathering (their original purpose) and restrict all clandestine actions that were military in nature to first require approval via the Commander in Chief. The CIA hated this as they had been operating fairly autonomously. He was reinstated to the CIA later and then appointed to serve on the Warren Commission.

Also the US House Select Committee on Assassinations found significant differences from the WCR.
United States House Select Committee on Assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rikkitikki08]

You should investigate further who appointed the Commission instead of allowing independent investigations from Congress, and who all was appointed. Further you should check out what evidence was provided to the Commission by the FBI. There is a lot of "evidence" that was deemed unworthy for consideration.

One interesting person of note was Allan Dulles, former CIA Director. The JFK Admin fired Dulles after the Bay of Pigs. JFK also was planning to rescind powers of the CIA to just intelligence gathering (their original purpose) and restrict all clandestine actions that were military in nature to first require approval via the Commander in Chief. The CIA hated this as they had been operating fairly autonomously. He was reinstated to the CIA later and then appointed to serve on the Warren Commission.

Also the US House Select Committee on Assassinations found significant differences from the WCR.
United States House Select Committee on Assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extremely interesting stuff, this is why i wanted to create this thread. Thanks!

 

[palinurus]

You should investigate further who appointed the Commission instead of allowing independent investigations from Congress, and who all was appointed. Further you should check out what evidence was provided to the Commission by the FBI. There is a lot of "evidence" that was deemed unworthy for consideration.

One interesting person of note was Allan Dulles, former CIA Director. The JFK Admin fired Dulles after the Bay of Pigs. JFK also was planning to rescind powers of the CIA to just intelligence gathering (their original purpose) and restrict all clandestine actions that were military in nature to first require approval via the Commander in Chief. The CIA hated this as they had been operating fairly autonomously. He was reinstated to the CIA later and then appointed to serve on the Warren Commission.

Also the US House Select Committee on Assassinations found significant differences from the WCR.
United States House Select Committee on Assassinations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this is just the CIA part of the story; you can construct a similar motive for the Mafia, the military, the Cubans, the Soviets, LBJ, South Vietnamese and certain labor leaders. Let alone the lunatic/sociopath forces. There may be overlap among these groups, esp. with the lunatic/sociopath group.

 

[BobD]

Let me guess. Because your government said so.

No. Although, if four different government investigations aren't enough for ya.......
I believe that this assassination was so traumatic on the US as a whole that people wanted more. They couldn't accept something as simple as a head case idiot shot one of the most beloved presidents in history. They wanted more, so when things came out about Oswald defecting to Russia, Rubys very slight connection to the mob etc. things started spinning and these elaborate conspiracies evolved. I'm in no way insisting that I'm right and the conspiracy theorist are wrong....just my opinion. I actually like reading them.

 

[Cackalacky]

And this is just the CIA part of the story; you can construct a similar motive for the Mafia, the military, the Cubans, the Soviets, LBJ, South Vietnamese and certain labor leaders. Let alone the lunatic/sociopath forces. There may be overlap among these groups, esp. with the lunatic/sociopath group.

Correct. The LBJ theory actually does provide the overlap with the mob, CIA, and FBI along with the ultimate motives (self-preservation and the Presidency).

Other stuff that I can't discount but take with a grain of salt, is:
Marc Wallace's fingerprint on a box in the sniper's nest of the depository. This was analyzed by a trained analyst and confirmed to be Wallace's and then sent to the FBI. 18 months later they said it was not a match and it was filed away.

Evidence of two people in the 6th floor snipers nest.

The shady circumstances of Henry Marshall's death, who was investigating corruption of Estes with direct links to LBJ.

The reported meeting with LBJ, oil tycoons, Nixon, mob bosses, and Hoover in Dallas the night before.

Like I said, so much stuff to sift through with questionable accuracy.

 

[Black Irish]

I think that the potential involvement of the Mafia is/was overestimated. The Mob has largely steered clear of high profile assassinations, especially of political figures. For instance, plans to knock off Manhattan D.A. Thomas Dewey were vetoed back in the 30s because it would cause too much heat. Mobsters buy or blackmail pliant politicians and try to avoid those that they can't. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single high-level American political leader who was killed by the Mafia. It's hard to believe that, not only would they toss aside decades of SOP regarding killing politicians, but they would go right for the biggest political leader when they do it.

 

[BobD]

I think that the potential involvement of the Mafia is/was overestimated. The Mob has largely steered clear of high profile assassinations, especially of political figures. For instance, plans to knock off Manhattan D.A. Thomas Dewey were vetoed back in the 30s because it would cause too much heat. Mobsters buy or blackmail pliant politicians and try to avoid those that they can't. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single high-level American political leader who was killed by the Mafia. It's hard to believe that, not only would they toss aside decades of SOP regarding killing politicians, but they would go right for the biggest political leader when they do it.

Hoffa.... Not a politician, but very high profile. I guess you could say, he was "one of their own".

 

[Irishfan33]

IMO was LBJ involved ...Hell yes
Was the Secret service involved.... no way

Don't remember what channel it was on but there was a show about a year ago that interviewed the remaining living members of JFK'S team.

These men have lived in hell since Nov.22,1963
They loved President Kennedy, they got very close with him and his family.
Remember, you have to be willing to die for them.

They talk about how alot of them were taken of the list that day and replaced by dallas staff, how all there advice was just thrown out the window. They would have never let him go through the streets they took and were against the open top.

They also said it was frightning to see through the years how alot of key witnesses died.
Alot of people saying they were told to keep quiet.
Alot of people's stories changed.

Definatly alot of wrong was done and they knew there is nothing we could do about it.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

At the end of the day, most the forensic studies (and just about all of the credible ones) point to Oswald being the lone gunman. Even the Magic Bullet is pretty easily explained as the position that Connely's sitting and the bullet turning sideways after hitting President Kennedy.

Whether he 'conspired' with others is anyone's guess though. But it's a bit odd how much overlap there is with this conspiracy theory and the 9/11 Conspiracy. I think sometimes treat motives as proof, and then just disregard the inconvenient facts.

 

[TK22867]

IMHO Oswald shot JFK, the end. The man was a head case.

I tend to agree. Why? Because the American people could not, and cannot fathom that a lone gunman could act alone and single-handedly kill their president, hence all the conspiracy theories.