Chuck Martin has no idea what he is doing

[tko]

That might actually make me feel better ha!

At least we might break a tackle on he outside!

 

[kmoose]

That might actually make me feel better ha!

You'll get nothing but this:

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and like it!

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

You'll get nothing but this:

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and like it!

Hands down the greatest Band of all time. I listen to Zeppelin every Saturday during football season, I rock out and get ready for people to come over about and watch the games and pray I don't do this...Sling Blade (8/12) Movie CLIP - Doyle Loses It (1996) HD - YouTube

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Here's what I find interesting:

Kelly has had three years with Rees' limitations and he still is not going to change how he wants to call his offense, particularly in the first half, that he uses with immobile QB's. The offense he is running is very similar to what he ran with Tony Pike at Cincinnatii.

Knowing Rees' history, many coaches, and fans, would have designed a run heavy offense with a short passing game and play action to minimize Rees' role in the offense. Not Kelly. He is running a wide open, pass to open up the run offense. You load up the box, he's going to grip it and rip it.

It doesn't matter if the fans think Rees is limited and cannot carry the load, Kelly is challenging Rees to be better and not backing down one bit. Some people would characterize it as stubbornness, others as a coach that is successful precisely because he challenges his players to overcome their limitations.

I suspect it simply is not in Kelly's DNA to build an offense around anybody's limitations. His entire mantra is to get better, and he is still expecting Rees to get better. Whether the season is great or average will ride on Rees. But Kelly is not flinching and if Rees does rise to the challenge, we could win out. If he doesn't, we could lose 3-4 games. It is going to be an interesting ride.

I also think Kelly's reluctance to become more of a run centered team is that hes got a lot of young players on the field and he doesn't want to have to install one offense only to abandon it next season with Zaire/Golson behind center. I think he wants to build continuity with the team for the future rather than going back and forth. The future of the ND QB is a mobile one; as much as it pains us to look down the road when we're struggling, it probably makes more sense from a management perspective to streamline the teams identity so that when next season comes along he can focus on further installing and growing the offense rather than starting again at square one.

Just my two cents.

 

[Irish#1]

Tommy hasn't played bad this year. He ran into the best D in the country against MSU and still played pretty well. Except for Robinson, our receivers on a whole played poorly and let the DB's beat them up. Daniels dad must think DD is going to be the next Reggie Wayne. He needs to re-watch the game and see where DD can improve.

I mentioned in another post how we had success running the ball against MSU when we added the jet sweep motion. Even if it's 3rd & 1, this doesn't allow the D to simply pin their ears back because they don't know whether the run is going to be inside or outside. I definitely not a fan of running out of the pistol. The other part is our O-line is still developing from the center to the RT. As the O-line gets more comfortable with each other we'll see improvement in the run.

As far as the D, I think we now realize how important Manti, KLM and Zeke were to this D. Manti and KLM with Nix and Tuitt forced QB's to throw earlier than they wanted to. Motto kept getting the DB's into the right position prior to the snap. We're still developing that as well.

 

[DCIrish]

Kelly needs a real OC

Kelly needs a real OC

Let's face it both Kelly and Martin are clueless when it comes to calling plays. Even I know it's dumb to keep calling rollout passes for Rees. The redzone offense is a joke. It's year 4 and Kelly continues to run an offense that's dependent on a turnover prone QB. Golson coming back will not solve all of these issues. This team will struggle offensively until Kelly brings in a OC who knows what they're doing.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Didn't Kelly call the plays at Cincinnati?

 

[tko]

Let's face it both Kelly and Martin are clueless when it comes to calling plays. Even I know it's dumb to keep calling rollout passes for Rees. The redzone offense is a joke. It's year 4 and Kelly continues to run an offense that's dependent on a turnover prone QB. Golson coming back will not solve all of these issues. This team will struggle offensively until Kelly brings in a OC who knows what they're doing.

I think this offense will be unstoppable with Golson back. Let's worry more about what Lo's father is saying.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I think this offense will be unstoppable with Golson back.
Let's worry more about what Lo's father is saying.

Rack em said that it's not Lo's Dad

 

[phork]

I hear Borges might be looking for a job soon...

I'd really like to get some man ball going. Alabama and Stanford give me woodies.

 

[Rack Em]

Rack em said that it's not Lo's Dad

To be fair, I heard that from Ironman, who heard it from Pete Sampson, who evidently did some digging.

Pete, IM8, and I are telephone game champs.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

To be fair, I heard that from Ironman, who heard it from Pete Sampson, who evidently did some digging.

Pete, IM8, and I are telephone game champs.

Lol.

 

[NDPhilly]

I thought Jeff Quinn would be available after this year if Buffalo sucked again but they are 7-2

 

[Rack Em]

I hear Borges might be looking for a job soon...

I'd really like to get some man ball going. Alabama and Stanford give me woodies.

Remember that play action fake we ran under center during the Pitt game? Rees hit TJ for a long TD.

We have the personnel to pull off power ball and still spread it out. God dammit let's do some of both.

 

[phillyirish]

I agree though bringing in a new OC will just result in so much confusion and more leeway for excuses next year. I can just imagine our offense being shaky next year already having to worry about Golson readjusting to a year lapse in football, imagine him having to learn a whole new playbook on top of that.

 

[DCIrish]

I hear Borges might be looking for a job soon...

I'd really like to get some man ball going. Alabama and Stanford give me woodies.

Agreed, those teams have an identity and impose their will. You'll never hear Shaw or Saban say they couldn't run the ball because the defense loaded the box.

 

[GBdomer]

Yes he does. He also needs an offensive identity. He comes in with this high powered spread attack. Now we don't run the spread. Then we play smash mouth one week and it looks great. Then we throw it all over the yard one game like against michigan and MSU and it's a horrible. It's year 4 and Brian Kelly still doesn't know what he wants to do. Why won't he go with his bread and butter offense which got him the ND job.

Then you say we don't have a spread QB but tony Pike wasn't the ideal fit. Nick Foles isn't Chips guy but he goes and throws 7 TDS. I'm not questioning Kelly but I have no idea what he is doing and this is year flipping 4. Don't even think he knows what he wants to do. Maybe by year 7 he will know and he will finally have a QB

 

[irishfan]

I'm going to be very interested to see what Kelly does with his staff in the off-season. It's going to go a long way in determining his future, because as much as people like to say that pre-season we were only a 8 or 9 win team with Rees in there, all 3 of our losses have been due to sloppy play and bad playcalling/schemes, not a lack of talent. Clearly Michigan, Oklahoma, and Pitt are not great teams.

Honestly, if we're only winning 8-9 games next year and making the same sloppy mistakes by Year 5, then a NC with Kelly just doesn't seem like it will happen.

 

[Bluto]

Maybe David Shaw could tweet in the plays when ND gets into the redzone?

 

[ryno 24]

I just think its funny how everyone thinks they know more about football and offense than Kelly. He changed some of his philosophy when he came to Notre Dame because he doesnt have to put buts in seats anymore. on the other hand, we should have known that the offense would have been slowed this year by Rees. He is a MAC level qb. Unfortunately we play like a MAC level offense. I dont mind Martin's philosophy the execution is what it comes down to. If Tommy could make the throws that he reads usually correctly, this team would put up a lot of points.

 

[NDWorld247]

I wrote in the summer that Chuck Martin as our OC was my biggest concern heading into the season and, unfortunately, he's done absolutely nothing to change my low opinion of him. I understand Kelly's hands are not clean in this, but I couldn't agree more with the title of this thread.

 

[RyCo1983]

I just think its funny how everyone thinks they know more about football and offense than Kelly. He changed some of his philosophy when he came to Notre Dame because he doesnt have to put buts in seats anymore. on the other hand, we should have known that the offense would have been slowed this year by Rees. He is a MAC level qb. Unfortunately we play like a MAC level offense. I dont mind Martin's philosophy the execution is what it comes down to. If Tommy could make the throws that he reads usually correctly, this team would put up a lot of points.

Have you watched a single MAC game?
Don't insult them!


May I suggest the NIU/Ball State game on Wednesday?



Rees definitely is a liability...but I think with proper leadership from some upperclassmen on the field the results would be different. On the other side of the ball...BJax may have a C on his chest, but he is no leader.


To stay on topic, I agree with NDWorld247...
Martin has been a clear failure at OC this season. Time to move in another direction, while retaining the core playbook.

 

[DCIrish]

Another big issue is that Kelly abandons the run late in games when trailing or tied and it continues to cost them games.

 

[RyCo1983]

Another big issue is that Kelly abandons the run late in games when trailing or tied and it continues to cost them games.

5 wide on 3rd and 2?
LEHHHHGOOOOOO

 

[ryno 24]

Have you watched a single MAC game?
Don't insult them!


May I suggest the NIU/Ball State game on Wednesday?



Rees definitely is a liability...but I think with proper leadership from some upperclassmen on the field the results would be different. On the other side of the ball...BJax may have a C on his chest, but he is no leader.

I may agree with your assessment of BJax. Was your MAC analogy sarcasm? I also watched Florida State destroy the amazing NIU and Jordan Lynch last year. The MAC makes Michigan State's offense look good.

 

[AvesEvo]

Didn't Kelly call the plays at Cincinnati?

No, his OC decided not to come with him.

 

[irishfan]

I just think its funny how everyone thinks they know more about football and offense than Kelly. He changed some of his philosophy when he came to Notre Dame because he doesnt have to put buts in seats anymore. on the other hand, we should have known that the offense would have been slowed this year by Rees. He is a MAC level qb. Unfortunately we play like a MAC level offense. I dont mind Martin's philosophy the execution is what it comes down to. If Tommy could make the throws that he reads usually correctly, this team would put up a lot of points.

I think what Rees has been able to do this year is pretty remarkable. He looks like an Ivy league QB out there honestly, so all credit to Kelly/Martin for putting Rees in a position to put up solid stats. My main complaint is with the schemes and the substitutions. As many have noted on here, it make literally no sense to come out with an empty set on 3rd and 2. With a dual-threat QB its fine, but it gives the defense a MASSIVE advantage on 3rd and 2 to say to them "we are 100% throwing the ball on this play." The lack of identity on offense also is perplexing, as we run at will one week and then abandon the run the next week. Finally, the substitutions allow for no rhythm in the slightest, as it seems like we have 2-3 guys subbing in/out every play. Kelly likes to say that he can't run no-huddle without a dual-threat QB, but that doesn't seem to be slowing down Chip Kelly in Philly.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wrote in the summer that Chuck Martin as our OC was my biggest concern heading into the season and, unfortunately, he's done absolutely nothing to change my low opinion of him. I understand Kelly's hands are not clean in this, but I couldn't agree more with the title of this thread.

Agreed, but what to do with CM now if a "real OC" is brought in?

 

[ryno 24]

Kelly definitely called plays at UC. Jeff Quinn was a better Offensive Coordinator but Kelly still called plays.

 

[AvesEvo]

I just think its funny how everyone thinks they know more about football and offense than Kelly. He changed some of his philosophy when he came to Notre Dame because he doesnt have to put buts in seats anymore. on the other hand, we should have known that the offense would have been slowed this year by Rees. He is a MAC level qb. Unfortunately we play like a MAC level offense. I dont mind Martin's philosophy the execution is what it comes down to. If Tommy could make the throws that he reads usually correctly, this team would put up a lot of points.

What does this even mean? That Cincinnati's offense was gimmicky?