George Zimmerman in another gun related incident.

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Based on everyone's comments sure sounds like there were plenty of witnesses on that night. Prosecution should have checked this site.

Just like there were before. Same usual suspects. Same knee jerk reactionaries.


Interesting that the estranged spouse called to complain about an armed threat by gun, the use of a knife, AND that her father was punched in the face in addition to destruction of property but NO COMPLAINT was made. (Was that the first punch George ever landed?)

Now the estranged wife might not want to compromise a divorce settlement through a complaint but then again she might be looking to strengthen her position through a scene but why didn't the father swear out a complaint?

This wasn't a he said, she said, as there were three parties involved. Two against one. Or did the Mrs not see daddy get punched in the nose, "he has a red mark on his face"?



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Thanks for bringing that into the thread. I didn't find anything stating that yet.
I'm a firm believer that he sgoulda been locked up the first time, but thats another thread. But what I hate is that he was set free and now we have to here about everytime he farts. The two times he has been pulled over for speeding since the trial there were repo r ts and they went as far as informing everyine if he had a gun in the vehicle at the time. Hell he probably needs it now more than before.
 

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So you are telling me after reading that article you think he didn't have a gun?



I didn't think I needed it on this one.

1. What I (or you, for that matter) think, is irrelevant.

2. I quoted that part because it directly related to Irish Insanity's comment about it being pathetic that Zimmerman was not charged. He was not charged because the wife later took back her statement that he had threatened anyone with a gun.
 

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Did he murder another black kid?

Excuse me, did he pick another fight, get scared, and then shoot another black kid to death under the "stand your ground" law?

"Stand your ground" had literally nothing to do with the Zimmerman trial. In the State of Florida, a "Stand Your Ground" defense is decided by a judge, not in a jury trial. If Zimmerman's attorneys had pursued a "Stand Your Ground" defense, it would have been ruled upon in a hearing with the judge alone. If the judge found the defense to be valid, the case would have been dismissed entirely and there would not have been a trial. If he denied the motion, it would have gone to a jury trial. Zimmerman's attorneys did not even pursue "stand your ground" because it did not apply in this case. Zimmerman was found "not guilty" based on a standard "self defense" case that would have been exactly the same in a state without "stand your ground" protections.

In a pretrial immunity hearing, a judge would have ruled whether Zimmerman's actions were protected under the "stand your ground" law; a ruling in favor of the defendant would have meant that no criminal or civil trial could proceed

You can disagree with the verdict all you want, but please try not to be so ignorant.
 
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What other part? There was another part that was relevant to Irish Insanity's post?

As of 3:45 p.m., George Zimmerman was no longer in custody, reports CBS affiliate WKMG. Police said they assumed a gun was in Zimmerman's car, but they don't plan on getting a warrant to look or retrieve it.

"He's in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying 'step closer' and he's just threatening all of us," Shellie Zimmerman said in a 911 call, reports the station, adding that George Zimmerman was "trying to shut the garage door" on her.

Just quoting the piece originally rendered, made it look like poor George was getting railroaded once again. I wish he would start something with someone capable of finishing; oh, wait that will never happen.

(kmoose, she never said it didn't happen; she said she didn't actually see the gun!)
 
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"Stand your ground" had literally nothing to do with the Zimmerman trial. In the State of Florida, a "Stand Your Ground" defense is decided by a judge, not in a jury trial. If Zimmerman's attorneys had pursued a "Stand Your Ground" defense, it would have been ruled upon in a hearing with the judge alone. If the judge found the defense to be valid, the case would have been dismissed entirely and there would not have been a trial. If he denied the motion, it would have gone to a jury trial. Zimmerman's attorneys did not even pursue "stand your ground" because it did not apply in this case. Zimmerman was found "not guilty" based on a standard "self defense" case that would have been exactly the same in a state without "stand your ground" protections.



You can disagree with the verdict all you want, but please try not to be so ignorant.

If a defendant actually asked for the hearing, ie., invoked the Stand your Ground Law. But the Stand Your Ground Law was included in the jury instructions, so

You can disagree with the post all you want, but please try not to be so ignorant.

There, fify!
 

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Just quoting the piece originally rendered, made it look like poor George was getting railroaded once again. I wish he would start something with someone capable of finishing; oh, wait that will never happen.

Why would they get a warrant to search his vehicle for a gun? There's nothing illegal about having a gun in your car, provided that you have the proper paperwork. The only thing pertinent to his being charged is whether or not he threatened anyone with it. The only witnesses to the incident are declining to "testify"(or write a statement, or orally allege, or however you want to characterize it) that he did. There is no reason to charge him.
 
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Why would they get a warrant to search his vehicle for a gun? There's nothing illegal about having a gun in your car, provided that you have the proper paperwork. The only thing pertinent to his being charged is whether or not he threatened anyone with it. The only witnesses to the incident are declining to "testify"(or write a statement, or orally allege, or however you want to characterize it) that he did. There is no reason to charge him.

Agreed, but what was selectively quoted made it look like he was found not to have had a gun, and that it was all a lie his wife concocted. This is one of those that is going to have to go to a situation where you have more recovered bullets.
 

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Agreed, but what was selectively quoted made it look like he was found not to have had a gun, and that it was all a lie his wife concocted. This is one of those that is going to have to go to a situation where you have more recovered bullets.

You really need to quit acting like some kind of pyschological Zen Master. You don't have the first f'in clue what I was thinking, when I quoted it. I quoted it because it explained why there were reports that he had threatened someone with a handgun, but yet he hadn't been charged. That's what Irish Insanity's post was about. What part of that do you not understand? For the love of God...............
 
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You really need to quit acting like some kind of pyschological Zen Master. You don't have the first f'in clue what I was thinking, when I quoted it. I quoted it because it explained why there were reports that he had threatened someone with a handgun, but yet he hadn't been charged. That's what Irish Insanity's post was about. What part of that do you not understand? For the love of God...............

Of course I don't have the first "f'in clue to what you were thinking!" We still are in total agreement.

Actually, I was trying to provide you an objective observation about how your post looked to someone not involved in your tangle. When reading the whole article it looked kind of selective, and that is all I said.

On the basis of trying to explain anything on this situation, or about it, I think everybody has fallen short, not just you.

And, PS. I have given up temporarily my "ZEN Master" certificate!
 

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Police: Zimmerman wife not pressing charges

The estranged wife of George Zimmerman opted not to press charges against her husband Monday after police in Florida responded to her sobbing 911 call reporting he had punched her father and was threatening them with a gun.

"I'm really scared,'' Shellie Zimmerman can be heard telling Lake Mary, Fla., police in an audio recording of a 911 call placed around 2 p.m. Monday to authorities in the suburb northeast of Orlando.

Zimmerman was acquitted in July in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a case that captured the nation's attention and put a spotlight on Florida's self-defense gun laws.

Police allowed Zimmerman to go free Monday afternoon after questioning him outside the home where Shellie Zimmerman placed the 911 call. Police Chief Steve Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman and her father decided not to press charges after consulting with an attorney.

Police deputy chief Colin Morgan said earlier that police held George Zimmerman in "investigative detention'' while they investigated the dispute.

A police spokesman said Zimmerman and his wife, who filed for divorce last week, were blaming each other for starting the fight at her father's home.

In an audio recording of Shellie Zimmerman's 911 call, she can be heard saying Zimmerman smashed an iPad she was holding and cut it with a pocket knife, struck her father in the nose and threatened both while putting a hand on a gun.

Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers did not recover a gun, and Bracknell said Shellie Zimmerman later dropped her claim that a gun was involved.

"Domestic violence can't be invoked because she has changed her story and says she didn't see a firearm," Bracknell said.

The dispute "was between him and his wife and her father,'' Morgan said. "There were some allegations that there had been an assault, but we could not confirm any of it.''


Orlando TV station WKMG reported that Shellie Zimmerman's parents, David and Machelle Dean, live at the home.

WKMG's SKY 6 helicopter showed at least a half-dozen police squad cars outside the house.

In the divorce petition, Shellie Zimmerman says she and her husband separated a month after Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, was acquitted of any crime for fatally shooting Martin, a black teenager, last July. The verdict sparked protests across the nation.

Zimmerman has been pulled over at least twice for speeding since his acquittal.

Police: Zimmerman wife not pressing charges
 

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George Zimmerman briefly taken into custody after domestic dispute - Crimesider - CBS News


In a telephone interview the Lake Mary, Florida police chief said George Zimmerman was in "investigative detention" after his estranged wife, Shellie, called authorities to say he was threatening her and her parents with a gun. She later backed off from that statement, saying she never saw a gun despite what she told the 911 dispatcher.



Police are investigating the incident as a *"possible domestic battery," the*Orlando Sentinel reports.*No significant injuries were reported, police said, according to the report.

The incident comes days after Shellie Zimmerman filed for divorce and discussed her relationship with George Zimmerman in a TV interview.

George Zimmerman, 29, was acquitted of second-degree murder in the Feb. 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on July 13. The case made international news after it took police several weeks to arrest Zimmerman in the case.

Shellie Zimmerman has also had trouble with the law. On Aug. 28, she pleaded guilty to misdemeanor perjury and was sentenced to one year of probation. She had been accused of lying about the couple's financial situation when she testified at George Zimmerman's bond hearing in June 2012.

On the same day she pleaded guilty, Shellie Zimmerman told ABC's Good Morning, America that she would "think about" staying married to her husband.
 

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Lake Mary Police are now calling into question several statements Shellie Zimmerman made to 911
Posted: 10:05 PM
Last Updated: 2 hours and 13 minutes ago
By: Jacqueline Ingles

LAKE MARY, Fla - Lake Mary Police are now questioning the validity of several statements Shellie Zimmerman made when she told 911 dispatchers her estranged husband, George Zimmerman, threatened her and her father at gunpoint Monday afternoon.

"We did not find a gun, did not locate a weapon," said Zach Hudson, public information officer with the Lake Mary Police Department. "Nobody ever saw a gun. A gun is not part of this story."

Still, a gun was at the crux of the account Shellie Zimmerman provided to 911 dispatchers when calling for help.

"He continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying, 'Step closer.' He is just threatening all of us," Shellie can be heard telling dispatchers.

Hudson told ABC Action News Shellie provided a written statement Monday night saying she never saw a gun and only assumed her estranged husband was carrying a weapon because he touched his stomach.

Shellie called police to her father's home on Sprucewood Road around 2 p.m. She claimed George punched her father in the face and threatened both of them with a gun.

"He accosted my father and then took my IPad and then smashed it and cut it with a pocketknife. I don't know what he is capable of. I am really really scared," Shellie told dispatchers.

According to authorities, Shellie's father did not have any visible injuries.

In the 911 call, Shellie asked the dispatcher to send paramedics because her father's nose looked like it was broken.

There are also other inconsistencies police pointed to on the 911.

Shellie told dispatchers that officers arrived and had their guns drawn. She said George was sitting in his car. Fearing George would start shooting, she told the dispatcher her and her father were going inside.

According to police, George was not in his car when they arrived but was standing in the yard. They say he was also very cooperative and allowed police to search his person.

After being questioned by police, Shellie left the home with her attorney.

Police explained that George has been living in his father-in-law's home. It was just last week that Shellie Zimmerman filed for divorce.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said Monday's incident stemmed from the couple dividing up property.

"Silly stuff like pots and pans and dishes gets so emotionalized that it overflows and that is what really happened here," said O'Mara.

The home was previously used as a meeting place to divvy up possessions. However, O'Mara said Shellie turned up at the home Monday afternoon unannounced.

"This is all miscommunication," O'Mara said.

O'Mara explained that this is just more fallout from Zimmerman's acquittal in the murder of Trayvon Martin, 17.

That occurred nearly two months ago, and since that time, Zimmerman has been in the media spotlight for various reasons including speeding and helping people during a traffic crash.

In this case, both Zimmerman and his father-in-law have declined to file charges.

However, multiple media outlets are incorrectly reporting that Zimmerman and his wife has also declined to press charges. According to police, because this is a domestic violence case, it is up to the state attorney's office to decide whether charges are warranted. They must first find out who was the primary aggressor, if there was one at all.

And while no charges have been filed, police say that could change at any minute.

Lake Mary Police are now calling into question several statements Shellie Zimmerman made to 911
 

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The only reason this is a story is because so many Zim Zam detractors are just HOPING he gets pinned for something. It's both funny and pathetic at the same time.

This is a non-story but people are still up in arms about it.
 
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If the gun is concealed, how can you see it?

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The only reason this is a story is because so many Zim Zam detractors are just HOPING he gets pinned for something. It's both funny and pathetic at the same time.

This is a non-story but people are still up in arms about it.

Zimmerman will be persecuted no matter what he does. It's sad, really. He was acquitted in a court of law, but people just won't let it go. Goes to show how pathetic some people are.
 
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Zimmerman will be persecuted no matter what he does. It's sad, really. He was acquitted in a court of law, but people just won't let it go. Goes to show how pathetic some people are.
I agree this is a non-story so far. But conversely he didn't have to go to the gun manufacturer and I bet we get a book from him as well. He might very well enjoy the attention.
 

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"Mrs Zimmerman, pick up line 2, Jerry Springer's booking agent wants to know if you can do a full month ... and have you made the spontaneous make-up sex tape yet?"



Coming soon to a network near you, The Real Ex-housewives of Lake Mary.
 
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"Mrs Zimmerman, pick up line 2, Jerry Springer's booking agent wants to know if you can do a full month ... and have you made the spontaneous make-up sex tape yet?"



Coming soon to a network near you, The Real Ex-housewives of Lake Mary.

One could say both want to maximize the benefits LOL. i could see her on Bravo.
 

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Zimmerman will be persecuted no matter what he does. It's sad, really. He was acquitted in a court of law, but people just won't let it go. Goes to show how pathetic some people are.

Poor George. He'll never be given the benefit of the doubt again after killing a teenager during a fight he provoked. The world is so unfair. One of these days he might learn that you shouldn't threaten people with guns -- which is exactly what I contended all along that he did to Martin. It is therefore not shocking to me that he would do it again. He is a real tough guy as long as he has a gun.
 

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Poor George. He'll never be given the benefit of the doubt again after killing a teenager during a fight he provoked. The world is so unfair. One of these days he might learn that you shouldn't threaten people with guns -- which is exactly what I contended all along that he did to Martin. It is therefore not shocking to me that he would do it again. He is a real tough guy as long as he has a gun.

Oh wow, he provoked the innocent, 13 year old eagle scout? You should've taken the stand at the trial to tell the world what really happened that night.
 
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Zimmerman will be persecuted no matter what he does. It's sad, really. He was acquitted in a court of law, but people just won't let it go. Goes to show how pathetic some people are.

It's weird how people don't easily forget when someone follows a teenager and that kid ends up being killed. Now he doesn't even have the right to threaten his wife and father-in-law. So pathetic!

I knew the Zimmerman Defense Squad would be out in full force.
 

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Oh wow, he provoked the innocent, 13 year old eagle scout? You should've taken the stand at the trial to tell the world what really happened that night.

Well, he followed a kid around his neighborhood in his car, and later on foot. He carried a gun with him into the darkness to confront a teenager he thought was "up to no good". Moments later a fistfight started and then a kid was dead. You can call that what you want. I call it provoking. Turns out, he's not above threatening people with guns. Go figure.
 
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Well, he followed a kid around his neighborhood in his car, and later on foot. He carried a gun with him into the darkness to confront a teenager he thought was "up to no good". Moments later a fistfight started and then a kid was dead. You can call that what you want. I call it provoking. Turns out, he's not above threatening people with guns. Go figure.

Please persecuting IE's precious minorities (control freaks who aren't afraid to bring a gun to a conflict).
 
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