Notre Dame begins accepting illegals

[IrishLax]

Not at all, nor do I consider their parents criminals. Just human beings trying to have a better life.

Word.

I was merely clarifying the concern here, not issuing my position on the matter. This isn't about admitting Mexicans, it's about admitting people who aren't supposed to be in this country legally in the first place. On one hand, it is the Catholic thing to do, on the other it's aiding lawbreakers, no?

I'm all for it, but I'm even more all for giving a quick path to citizenship for all of them already here.

Right, but you'd just deport them and then they could come back in on a student visa. It's not really "aiding" them in any way. This is really much ado about nothing, IMO.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Yeah except they aren't "illegal"... they're just a citizen of Mexico, and why would you have a policy against admitting Mexican citizens? There is no law being broken by allowing an "illegal" to study at a school... they'd just do it on a student visa if they had to.

The only illegal act would be when their parents dragged them across the border as a child... if you want to get up in arms about that, fine... but what the prospective student did "wrong" doesn't even amount to a parking ticket.

Then they should get a student visa before coming to the US to school. And yes, I know the Student Visa program administered by the federal gov't is broke. The events of 9-11 proved that out as many of those hijackers were here illegally since their student visa's had expired. I am all for educating people no matter where they are from. But I am against doing it outside the law of the land... even if the gov't has a hard time controlling it.

 

[BobD]

Then they should get a student visa before coming to the US to school. And yes, I know the Student Visa program administered by the federal gov't is broke. The events of 9-11 proved that out as many of those hijackers were here illegally since their student visa's had expired. I am all for educating people no matter where they are from. But I am against doing it outside the law of the land... even if the gov't has a hard time controlling it.

Who cares if they have a visa......the NSA knows where they are

 

[T Town Tommy]

Who cares if they have a visa......the NSA knows where they are

Reps.

 

[kmoose]

Yeah except they aren't "illegal"... they're just a citizen of Mexico, and why would you have a policy against admitting Mexican citizens? There is no law being broken by allowing an "illegal" to study at a school... they'd just do it on a student visa if they had to.

The only illegal act would be when their parents dragged them across the border as a child... if you want to get up in arms about that, fine... but what the prospective student did "wrong" doesn't even amount to a parking ticket.

What makes you think that all illegal immigrants are Mexicans?

 

[IrishLax]

What makes you think that all illegal immigrants are Mexicans?

LOL don't even dude... I was being overly simplistic and chose a singular country for obvious reasons to make the sentence short and to the point.

I know more about OTMs, the demographics of illegal immigrants that cross all of our different borders, border security policy, border security technology, etc. than you can even begin to comprehend. And most of it I can't even share.

 

[NDFan4Life]

I believe the vast majority of "illegal immigrants" come to America for jobs. I doubt that these immigrants are very much interested in getting an excellent education from one of the nation's best schools.

I'm OK with it as long as the school isn't denying an American citizen a chance to attend and the standards aren't lowered just to let an "illegal immigrant" in.

 

[kmoose]

I know more about OTMs, the demographics of illegal immigrants that cross all of our different borders, border security policy, border security technology, etc. than you can even begin to comprehend. And most of it I can't even share.

I don't have any reason to doubt your expertise in the area. Just as you should have no reason to doubt my ability to comprehend the information, should I ever be in a position to have it presented to me.

 

[Bluto]

Does anyone have info on the time span of the illegal immigration to US from Mexico post Reagan?

I know Reagan allowed a couple million a chance at citizenship in the 80's.

Edit: I worded that weird. I'm looking for info on the numbers of immigrants per year Post-Reagan.

Pew Trust for Hispanic Research has pretty much everything

Pew Hispanic Center - Chronicling Latinos Diverse Experiences in a Changing America

 

[Bluto]

Ironically enough there is a fairly large number of illegal Irish immigrants in this country.

http://irishlobbyusa.org/

 

[pumpdog20]

Isn't it ironic that we tolerate people who could care less about this country, simply because he/she was born here; and criminalize people who want to be here, but weren't lucky enough to be born in the U.S.?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Right, but you'd just deport them and then they could come back in on a student visa. It's not really "aiding" them in any way. This is really much ado about nothing, IMO.

Agreed.

 

[BobD]

If I were an educator, I'd be excited about teaching someone with so much desire to learn. In America we have kids that won't walk three blocks to school, much less sneak into a foreign country.

 

[ACamp1900]

If I were an educator, I'd be excited about teaching someone with so much desire to learn. In America we have kids that won't walk three blocks to school, much less sneak into a foreign country.

I teach in a majority immigrant area... Did I miss something or are you implying illegal immigrants have/ show more desire to learn than American kids?? Seriously?

 

[Eddie.Smith Irish]

This whole thing boils down to one thing amongst most Americans....and apparently with some here. How does this affect me??? Am I being affected? Am I going to be slighted by those "devils" coming in illegal from the "South".....

My answer is this... You get what you deserve. You get what you earn. I've known many individuals over my 40 years...some damn bright and articulate people...some went to ND...Most didn't

Just because you're born in this country doesn't entitle you to go to ND. IT IS EARNED.... So if an individual is brought across the border as a child, they don't deserve the opportunity to attend this great University just because their parents made a choice to better themselves and their families, even if earned academically? This is....... nevermind.......I'll just leave it at that. "It's the Catholic way" my a$$... I've seen enough stupidity in this thread alone to know that it's about about "Me" and not about "We" as a community.... Pretty sad.

WE are ND...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Everyone who is not Native American is an illegal immigrant.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I teach in a majority immigrant area... Did I miss something or are you implying illegal immigrants have/ show more desire to learn than American kids?? Seriously?

Yeah the ones that go from being an illegal immigrant to qualifying for Notre Dame do.

 

[BobD]

I teach in a majority immigrant area... Did I miss something or are you implying illegal immigrants have/ show more desire to learn than American kids?? Seriously?

I wasn't thinking of it that way, more so just trying to point out that illegals go through a lot to get here, therefore they must really want it. I'm also more referring to college level kids, but now that you mention it.......yeah, we do have a bunch of lazy American kids. Not all, just a boatload of them.

I don't want to forget to mention we have some great American kids too, just because here on IE, believe it or not, there is always someone wanting to take the opposite end of something and try to squeeze an argument out of it. Not many of them, just most.

 

[kmoose]

Everyone who is not Native American is an illegal immigrant.

That's the worst argument in the whole immigration debate. What recognized law did the Pilgrims break, when they came ashore in the New World?

 

[mgriff]

That's the worst argument in the whole immigration debate. What recognized law did the Pilgrims break, when they came ashore in the New World?

They didn't break any law, but you shouldn't just stop there. We broke numerous treaties with the Native Americans, most notably under Jackson. The U.S. government robbed them of their land, sent them west, and robbed them again when it was convenient. You can call it right of conquest if you want.

 

[irishpat183]

It's not about admitting Mexicans, or even foreigners, it's about admitting....wait for it....criminals.

Exactly. These people are crimnals. It doesn't mean their "bad people" but they are here illegally.

My wife and her family have been here since 1993 and it's taken them until last year to become citizens..they did it the right way. Stuff like this is disgusting.


Let me ask: Why is it ok for some and not for others? Why did my wife's family have to jump through hoops, never taking a dime off our system, to become citizens?


I know the answer, but it's not a popular one with the bleeding hearts: Democratic Votes.

 

[irishpat183]

They didn't break any law, but you shouldn't just stop there. We broke numerous treaties with the Native Americans, most notably under Jackson. The U.S. government robbed them of their land, sent them west, and robbed them again when it was convenient. You can cal it right of conquest if you want.

Let's just rehash everything that happened 200 years ago when talking about current events....becuase that makes a TON of sense....


Good lord. Some people just can't let go.

 

[irishpat183]

I wasn't thinking of it that way, more so just trying to point out that illegals go through a lot to get here, therefore they must really want it. I'm also more referring to college level kids, but now that you mention it.......yeah, we do have a bunch of lazy American kids. Not all, just a boatload of them.

I don't want to forget to mention we have some great American kids too, just because here on IE, believe it or not, there is always someone wanting to take the opposite end of something and try to squeeze an argument out of it. Not many of them, just most.

While I agree to a point...it's not really about "why" they're here. It's that even the ones that are here for a "better life" are still on our dime and even some of the "good ones" are sending wages out of the country and scamming our system.

 

[irishpat183]

ND should help the illegal become legal, and then offer them the opportunity to study there.

Stop trying to make a political statement and help the individual do it the right way.

 

[irishpat183]

Everyone who is not Native American is an illegal immigrant.

Technically, so are they.

 

[mgriff]

Let's just rehash everything that happened 200 years ago when talking about current events....becuase that makes a TON of sense....


Good lord. Some people just can't let go.

Pat, most of the **** that comes out of your mouth doesn't make sense, yet you're still here posting every day. Hysterical that you're talking about people letting anything go.

I was simply elaborating on a point made by someone else, I said nothing about one position or another in regard to illegal immigration, yet you seem to think I'm supporting the opposition.

You're supposed to rehash history, it helps you make informed decisions on present issues after examining the necessary data.

I'm personally against illegal immigration, because there is a law in place. I also believe in breaking laws that are unjust through civil disobedience, but not in this case. There is a process to gaining access to this country, and if you don't complete those steps, you don't get to come.

We have incentive from both sides of the aisle to let this happen though, because it's many lower income democratic voters, but the large majority of immigrants are of the Christian persuasion, which is why the Church is so pro-anesty.

Republicans get some cheap labor. This will happen, because it's what the powers that be want. An influx of low level laborers to pay some taxes, pews to be filled on Sunday, and an influx of democratic voters. Republicans can gain any as well though through the religion aspect though, so while it's generally safe to say more would be Democratic, there are also some gains for the Republicans.

I know ND kind of breaks with overall Church doctrine on occasion, but I think in this scenario they are in lockstep, because the churches are hemorrhaging parishioners. Amnesty helps will that to a certain extent.

 

[jmurphy75]

A private entity in the US still does not supercede federal law. Illegal immigrants are just that... illegal. I don't really agree with ND's stance here. All for helping any person with getting an education at ND or any other school but it should be done without breaking any federal statutes.

I agree here, if ND truly wants to help in this area then they should help/require the qualified applicants to get their citizenship before or during their schooling at ND. I spoke to some immigrants that earned their citizenship the correct way and they view this as a slap in the face...not just at ND but in America. Why should some have handed to them what others went thru the time and trouble of doing the right way.

 

[GoldenDomer87]

They're not criminals because American society has reserved that word for the really bad, but they did break the law. You can be an "expert," but you can't deny we have laws in place for immigration.

 

[Anchorman]

Pat, most of the **** that comes out of your mouth doesn't make sense, yet you're still here posting every day. Hysterical that you're talking about people letting anything go.

If that doesn't win post of the year, I don't know what does.

And how, exactly, would people like the church/ND to help them get citizenship to do it the 'right' way? Deport them to a country they've never been to and don't know the customs or even language of? As long as no legal path to citizenship for illegal immigrants exists, this is Notre Dame's best option for not turning a blind eye to the millions of illegal immigrants.

 

[irishpat183]

Pat, most of the **** that comes out of your mouth doesn't make sense, yet you're still here posting every day. Hysterical that you're talking about people letting anything go.

I was simply elaborating on a point made by someone else, I said nothing about one position or another in regard to illegal immigration, yet you seem to think I'm supporting the opposition.

You're supposed to rehash history, it helps you make informed decisions on present issues after examining the necessary data.

I'm personally against illegal immigration, because there is a law in place. I also believe in breaking laws that are unjust through civil disobedience, but not in this case. There is a process to gaining access to this country, and if you don't complete those steps, you don't get to come.

We have incentive from both sides of the aisle to let this happen though, because it's many lower income democratic voters, but the large majority of immigrants are of the Christian persuasion, which is why the Church is so pro-anesty.

Republicans get some cheap labor. This will happen, because it's what the powers that be want. An influx of low level laborers to pay some taxes, pews to be filled on Sunday, and an influx of democratic voters. Republicans can gain any as well though through the religion aspect though, so while it's generally safe to say more would be Democratic, there are also some gains for the Republicans.

I know ND kind of breaks with overall Church doctrine on occasion, but I think in this scenario they are in lockstep, because the churches are hemorrhaging parishioners. Amnesty helps will that to a certain extent.

AND WE HAVEN"T DONE THAT???? Things are much, much better and we have evolved. What is the point in brining up Native Americans (that are also immigrants, if you follow history) when talking about immigration problems in 2013?

How many muslim radicals were trying to blow up buildings back then? How many mexican drug cartels were importing illegal drugs to the Sioux tribes back then? Where there child sex trade slavers back then?

Didn't think so. So while we need to "learn" from our past....we also need to keep in mind that there are criminals and bad people that use that bleeding heart mentality against us. I'm not saying everyone coming over here is bad...but we have laws in place to protect us from those that are, and its not too much to ask for people to follow the laws in place and it's just ignorant not to follow them.

Again, why is it ok for some to have to follow immigration laws and others not?