No more SEC in video games..

[ACamp1900]

No it won't. Guys like me, the pick up and play, will not go for that. Sure, the hardcore guys will love HOURS of customization...but it won't be a hit

This is football, not soccer. I want realism...not made up teams and conferences.

The pick up and play guys would simply take a minute to download the hardcore stuff from others...

 

[Ndaccountant]

random question. could a team of guys release rosters, team names, stadiums etc without licensing agreement and not get sued by the schools, conferences, etc?

 

[irishpat183]

There are still a solid core of guys that play NFL 2K5, and still customize/update rosters. And the graphics/gameplay truly do seem to hold up a bit still.

Worst case scenario, guys update NCAA 14 rosters/coaches every year, but this would eliminate the playoff from being included, as well as adding teams that aren't DI yet such as Charlotte.

random question. could a team of guys release rosters, team names, stadiums etc without licensing agreement and not get sued by the schools, conferences, etc?

Then there is this...It's just much cleaner with licensing. And if this is about millions of dollars....what makes you guys think players/schools/conferences won't go after gamers? Or monitor the boards and prevent sharing of that info???

 

[dublinirish]

There are still a solid core of guys that play NFL 2K5, and still customize/update rosters. And the graphics/gameplay truly do seem to hold up a bit still.

Worst case scenario, guys update NCAA 14 rosters/coaches every year, but this would eliminate the playoff from being included, as well as adding teams that aren't DI yet such as Charlotte.

APF had a proper gang tackling system 6 years before Madden. Its still a great game and very much playable

 

[ACamp1900]

Then there is this...It's just much cleaner with licensing. And if this is about millions of dollars....what makes you guys think players/schools/conferences won't go after gamers? Or monitor the boards and prevent sharing of that info???

There are games that do that now... CBB 2K5 or something like that gets updated every year...

and PES is a great example of what EA could do moving forward... that game has ZERO licensed leagues and only a handful of licensed teams… the game comes with an easy to use ‘share’ feature and users from all over the world create every league, uni, player and all and it’s every bit as accurate as FIFA in that regard… no issues... now FIFA is a better game because it’s a better game… but for a single game market like CFB, EA could easily follow the PES mold and be successful imo.

 

[Ndaccountant]

There are games that do that now... no issues...

Do they do it for entities that are purposefully trying to not have their product in games?

I think the big issue here is that if universities remove themselves from the gaming world(mainly in response to O'Bannon's lawsuit) what makes you think they won't sue to protect themselves? Could they go after the games themselves?

I liken it to what has happened on youtube and other sites. The moment someone posts copyrighted material without permission and they become aware of it, they shut it down.

 

[ACamp1900]

They won't break copyright though... In PES they have teams with highly generic names and uni/logos... but it's still obvious who they represent...


think "South Bend and "College Station" in Bill Walsh College Football...

The redeeming feature is customization... a person finds a working ND logo online, downloads and replaces... so on.. and boom, you have a Notre Dame with real players, logos and such in place of South Bend with blue and yellow unis...


schools and such are not going to go after some random guy from stillwater for editing his own game to his liking.

 

[ACamp1900]

I don't think EA will do it right, but I have been wanting more customization in this game for years... this is the closest we have been to where I want to be, so... there is a chance.

 

[Ndaccountant]

They won't break copyright though... In PES they have teams with highly generic names and uni/logos... but it's still obvious who they represent...


think "South Bend and "College Station" in Bill Walsh College Football...

The redeeming feature is customization... a person finds a working ND logo online, downloads and replaces... so on.. and boom, you have a Notre Dame with real players, logos and such in place of South Bend with blue and yellow unis...


schools and such are not going to go after some random guy from stillwater for editing his own game to his liking.

so, do the individuals do it or is there a warehouse online that stores the rosters, uni's, etc?

 

[ACamp1900]

so, do the individuals do it or is there a warehouse online that stores the rosters, uni's, etc?

Random people... it's EXACTLY the same thing as rosters right now... just bigger.

 

[Cackalacky]

They won't break copyright though... In PES they have teams with highly generic names and uni/logos... but it's still obvious who they represent...


think "South Bend and "College Station" in Bill Walsh College Football...

The redeeming feature is customization... a person finds a working ND logo online, downloads and replaces... so on.. and boom, you have a Notre Dame with real players, logos and such in place of South Bend with blue and yellow unis...


schools and such are not going to go after some random guy from stillwater for editing his own game to his liking.

If they did, it would be the game producer for allowing it, like Napster or torrent sites.
There is no harm in downloading customizable script that is free "shareware."

I remember when the customized xbox360 covers were available. You could download those and print them out for your own case. Never heard a word about that. Still got one with the Shark on it.

 

[ACamp1900]

Teambuilder expanded basically....

 

[Ndaccountant]

Random people... it's EXACTLY the same thing as rosters right now... just bigger.

I see, you obviously cannot stop an individual from doing that.

But let me ask you this. Do you really think that the casual players would go through that effort?

Personally, in years past, I would purchase the game and would play off and on, but the most I would play in any given week would be 2 hours. So, not too much at all. For people like me (I have no idea how my gaming stacks up compared to the average CFB gamer profile), do you think they will want to take the time to customize? When the news broke on this, my thoughts were "that sucks, but, I can go buy Madden".

 

[ACamp1900]

I see, you obviously cannot stop an individual from doing that.

But let me ask you this. Do you really think that the casual players would go through that effort?

Personally, in years past, I would purchase the game and would play off and on, but the most I would play in any given week would be 2 hours. So, not too much at all. For people like me (I have no idea how my gaming stacks up compared to the average CFB gamer profile), do you think they will want to take the time to customize? When the news broke on this, my thoughts were "that sucks, but, I can go buy Madden".

Players like you won't have to...

in PES players connect, much like with rosters or teambuilder on various sites... on say, Operation Sports, and share the edits...

it would be JUST LIKE rosters are now, except it updates just about everything in the game... the entire NCAA community would most likely wait for a small group of hard core gamers to update all of it.

 

[dublinirish]

i had a cousin who was a PES fanatic on ps2 and it had a basic ms paint like program for creating club logo's and he would spend hours working on it. This was when you couldnt just download others work off the net, you had to do the heavy lifting yourself. You wouldnt believe the lengths people will go to for realism. It will be no different with the guys on OS for future football games which are unlicensed. Heck I have been on forums before where guys were coming together to try and create their own football games from scratch!

 

[ulukinatme]

This is certainly going to make things interesting. I expect all the conferences will pull out now, and the universities may be out too after that. If all the conferences and teams pull out, they certainly could still do the game with generics to start and let the players fill in the blanks. If EA provides the tools, I can see the teams providing all the logos, players, team names, coaches, etc no problem. It's more tiresome to do the players and the coaches than it would be to do the conferences and teams. It would add...maybe 10% to the time required, if that.

Whether EA will go to the effort to provide such a game is the question. If they still stand to make money on it, even if they lose buyers, they'll probably go ahead with it. I don't see any reason why a generic game, no names, would get blocked. Theres nothing stopping gamers from filling in all the blanks since they aren't profiting off the custom rosters.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is certainly going to make things interesting. I expect all the conferences will pull out now, and the universities may be out too after that. If all the conferences and teams pull out, they certainly could still do the game with generics to start and let the players fill in the blanks. If EA provides the tools, I can see the teams providing all the logos, players, team names, coaches, etc no problem. It's more tiresome to do the players and the coaches than it would be to do the conferences and teams. It would add...maybe 10% to the time required, if that.

Whether EA will go to the effort to provide such a game is the question. If they still stand to make money on it, even if they lose buyers, they'll probably go ahead with it. I don't see any reason why a generic game, no names, would get blocked. Theres nothing stopping gamers from filling in all the blanks since they aren't profiting off the custom rosters.

That's my thing... I honestly think if they leave team stuff to us they may be able to spend more time on the gameplay and it would make the game better all-around once the edits are in....

BUT... this is EA... I know this, they are already making and invested in next year's game... they'd REALLY have to have disastrous cost analysis to pull out now... so I have to assume there will be a game next year...

how will they do it?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Players like you won't have to...

in PES players connect, much like with rosters or teambuilder on various sites... on say, Operation Sports, and share the edits...

it would be JUST LIKE rosters are now, except it updates just about everything in the game... the entire NCAA community would most likely wait for a small group of hard core gamers to update all of it.

thanks for the patience and helping me understand.

A few more questions. For the small circle of gamers that would create the edits, are they using real logo's, stadiums, etc or are they creating them off to the side? Trying to keep it simple for my tiny mind, but I am picturing the difference between copying and pasting a logo into powerpoint versus drawing one in MS Paint.

 

[ACamp1900]

thanks for the patience and helping me understand.

A few more questions. For the small circle of gamers that would create the edits, are they using real logo's, stadiums, etc or are they creating them off to the side? Trying to keep it simple for my tiny mind, but I am picturing the difference between copying and pasting a logo into powerpoint versus drawing one in MS Paint.

LOL...

I hope i didn't come off like you're being simple minded NDA...

anyway, it could potentially be both... up to the user that creates teh content I imagine... Unis would almost entirely be custom made I would imagine... the logos?? either or.

Stadiums... now THAT may be a problem... might not see those in future editions... unless users can create those in custom CPU programs and usually something that big is only transportable to cpu games.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm actually cautiously optomistic about this change for a couple of reasons.

1. EA, if it continues to make a game, would have to make the gameplay better than it's ever been if a "generic" set of teams/rosters is going to survive.

2. Fully customizable teams, with more options for logos, unis, stadiums, etc. would be awesome, especially if this customization was available online (ala Team Builder now, for hardcore guys) and on the disk (like previous installments of NCAA and Madden, easy for the casual gamer).

3. If full customization was available online, there would need to be a way to import 120+ teams, and all of the information that comes with them (rosters, stadium, uniforms), rather than just the 5-10 teams that TeamBuilder allows on the disk currently. If this were expanded, player rosters, coach lists, and updated/special uniforms would all be available for download and completed before the game even launches, as it would be via internet. You wouldn't need to wait for a hard copy of the disk like the roster gurus do currently.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm actually cautiously optomistic about this change for a couple of reasons.

1. EA, if it continues to make a game, would have to make the gameplay better than it's ever been if a "generic" set of teams/rosters is going to survive.

2. Fully customizable teams, with more options for logos, unis, stadiums, etc. would be awesome, especially if this customization was available online (ala Team Builder now, for hardcore guys) and on the disk (like previous installments of NCAA and Madden, easy for the casual gamer).

3. If full customization was available online, there would need to be a way to import 120+ teams, and all of the information that comes with them (rosters, stadium, uniforms), rather than just the 5-10 teams that TeamBuilder allows on the disk currently. If this were expanded, player rosters, coach lists, and updated/special uniforms would all be available for download and completed before the game even launches, as it would be via internet. You wouldn't need to wait for a hard copy of the disk like the roster gurus do currently.

My thoughts right here. This is agreat opportunity for them to make a GREAT game... will they take it though, I mean this is EA we are talking about.

 

[dublinirish]

I'm actually cautiously optomistic about this change for a couple of reasons.

1. EA, if it continues to make a game, would have to make the gameplay better than it's ever been if a "generic" set of teams/rosters is going to survive.

2. Fully customizable teams, with more options for logos, unis, stadiums, etc. would be awesome, especially if this customization was available online (ala Team Builder now, for hardcore guys) and on the disk (like previous installments of NCAA and Madden, easy for the casual gamer).

3. If full customization was available online, there would need to be a way to import 120+ teams, and all of the information that comes with them (rosters, stadium, uniforms), rather than just the 5-10 teams that TeamBuilder allows on the disk currently. If this were expanded, player rosters, coach lists, and updated/special uniforms would all be available for download and completed before the game even launches, as it would be via internet. You wouldn't need to wait for a hard copy of the disk like the roster gurus do currently.

I agree alot but realistically it sounds like too much work for 11 month timeframe. It would need them to take 1/2 years off to come out with something this radical. Its probably something from a gamer's perspective they should do but the bean counters in EA would say no. EA needs to get rid of Ben Haumiller the guy is just a total turd and everything that is wrong with their franchise. all the creativity in the company seems to be working on FIFA these days

 

[Cackalacky]

I think Whiskeyjack should be involved with any ratings, abilities, rankings,etc for more realistic game play.

 

[IrishLion]

I agree alot but realistically it sounds like too much work for 11 month timeframe. It would need them to take 1/2 years off to come out with something this radical. Its probably something from a gamer's perspective they should do but the bean counters in EA would say no. EA needs to get rid of Ben Haumiller the guy is just a total turd and everything that is wrong with their franchise. all the creativity in the company seems to be working on FIFA these days

This is the issue. EA Sports College Football 15 will probably be the same game as NCAA 14. The only difference will be the generic teams and conferences that "resemble" current teams and conferences, and the inclusion of a playoff. Rosters would still be customizable, but that's it.

CF16 would have to be where the true change occurs.

Absolute worst case scenario? We lose a college game altogether and Madden gets a little better since EA won't have to focus on a college football anymore.

 

[Ndaccountant]

LOL...

I hope i didn't come off like you're being simple minded NDA...

anyway, it could potentially be both... up to the user that creates teh content I imagine... Unis would almost entirely be custom made I would imagine... the logos?? either or.

Stadiums... now THAT may be a problem... might not see those in future editions... unless users can create those in custom CPU programs and usually something that big is only transportable to cpu games.

No, I didn't mean the simple comment like that. I am just not as familiar with some of the things you were talking about so I was trying to put it into my own terms to help me understand a bit better.

As for the other comment, if they are creating logo's, uniforms, etc that are meant to be as close as possible to the real thing AND the dissemination of that content is coming from a few choice locations/people, I would question whether or not that would qualify as copyright infringement. Not a lawyer (obviously) but remembering my business law days many many moons ago, I would think it would qualify as “substantially similar”.

I think the key here is that it comes from a few key people/locations. If there are a few central locations, I could see universities, conferences, etc sending a cease and desist given the reasons they are pulling out of EA to begin with. If it was every random Joe doing it on his/her own, they couldn't do anything. Who knows for sure, but I can see issues down the line if my thinking is correct (greater likelihood that it isn't).

 

[ulukinatme]

LOL...

I hope i didn't come off like you're being simple minded NDA...

anyway, it could potentially be both... up to the user that creates teh content I imagine... Unis would almost entirely be custom made I would imagine... the logos?? either or.

Stadiums... now THAT may be a problem... might not see those in future editions... unless users can create those in custom CPU programs and usually something that big is only transportable to cpu games.

I hadn't considered uniforms and stadiums, nor the fight songs/custom sounds associated. This would all certainly add to the time, but I'm confidant that if EA provided the tools, the community would do the rest no matter how large the project.

The real question is...if EA provides said tools, and a completely generic game from top to bottom, why would anyone need next year's game after that? EA would have to bank on adding new features to try and keep the revenue flowing each year, and so far they've shown little interest in adding a lot of new features to each new game most years. This year's game is probably one of the exceptions to the rule since they overhauled the broken option system (Read option was all that really worked last year), changed the engine, and improved blocking.

As far as stadiums...we probably wouldn't get cool features like campus sights at our stadium (No TD Jesus). They would probably give you 12-15 generic stadiums to choose from with pregenerated scenery. Similar to the way you create a new team in Teambuilder. Uniforms can be done easy enough if you allow the import of pictures/logos, but the community could customize it from scratch if needs be.

 

[ulukinatme]

As for the other comment, if they are creating logo's, uniforms, etc that are meant to be as close as possible to the real thing AND the dissemination of that content is coming from a few choice locations/people, I would question whether or not that would qualify as copyright infringement. Not a lawyer (obviously) but remembering my business law days many many moons ago, I would think it would qualify as “substantially similar”.

I'm not a lawyer either, but I think you have to look at the fact that gamers would not be profiting off these images, logos, etc that they're creating. Even better, if theres some slight modifications to the uniform or logo, I don't think the schools would be able to do anything. The gamers are providing the content for free, so they're not profiting off the images, schools, or the players.

 

[IrishLion]

(Read option was all that really worked last year)

Lol I would argue that even the read option didn't work. It would work if the DE crashed and you broke off a big run with your QB, but if you had to give it to the RB, it rarely worked (at least in my experience playing as ND on Heisman).

 

[ACamp1900]

Absolute worst case scenario? We lose a college game altogether and Madden gets a little better since EA won't have to focus on a college football anymore.

and i would bascially just read more as i don't play Madden and don't see myself starting b/c NCAA goes away.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm not a lawyer either, but I think you have to look at the fact that gamers would not be profiting off these images, logos, etc that they're creating. Even better, if theres some slight modifications to the uniform or logo, I don't think the schools would be able to do anything. The gamers are providing the content for free, so they're not profiting off the images, schools, or the players.

This is a good thing as well. It will stop people from paying money to those phony sites in exchange for gamertag information that claims to have the best and most accurate rosters.

These scam websites actually WOULD and WERE making money off of the likeness of college football players... they would have to shut down.

Maybe someone should tell O'Bannon about that roster site...

EDIT: This site - NCAA Football 14 Rosters | NCAA 2014 Rosters | PS3 | Xbox 360