George Zimmerman Trial

[Bluto]

Yes. In fact, you don't even need a gun. Most people call them "questions" but your results may vary. It's perfectly legal. And it's totally free.

So if I tell this person to **** off and they flash a gun then what? Again untrained armed citizens playing cops and robbers is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Bluto]

I wasn't aware Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun.

Apparently at some point he did according to the testimony Martin grabbed for it.

 

[Cackalacky]

I find it terribly ironic that Robert Zimmerman is worried about his brother having to watch over his shoulder for armed vigilantes. Yes he is quoted as having said that.

 

[Bluto]

What if someone was following you from a distance you while they were on their cellphone, and you didn't know they had a gun? And do you think you're entitled to kill them in that case, and they have no right to defend themselves? Like Rhode Irish, you're also entitled to your opinion, but that's not the law, thankfully.

No I am entitled to ask them why the hell they are following me without fear of being gunned down. If it became apparent said person had a gun then yeah I would fell I have every right to defend myself by whatever means possible.

 

[ACamp1900]

I find it terribly ironic that Robert Zimmerman is worried about his brother having to watch over his shoulder for armed vigilantes. Yes he is quoted as having said that.

I'm also stuck on some of these Kardasian/West quotes... being the daughter and son in law of OJs lawyer...

All kinds of stupid being put out there...

 

[Irish Houstonian]

So if I tell this person to **** off and they flash a gun then what?

Hey, I was just answering your question. But hypothetically, if someone pulled a gun on me after I told them to **** off, I would probably just freeze and do what they say. I would probably recommend that most people do the same, although they certainly have more than one legal option in that scenario.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

No I am entitled to ask them why the hell they are following me without fear of being gunned down. If it became apparent said person had a gun then yeah I would fell I have every right to defend myself by whatever means possible.

Legally you're entitled to ask them whatever you want, but you can't just beat someone up just because they're carrying a gun. A least not legally. And if you really start pounding on them, and they shoot and kill you, you should know that they might not be convicted of any crime.

 

[GoIrish41]

Legally you're entitled to ask them whatever you want, but you can't just beat someone up just because they're carrying a gun. A least not legally. And if you really start pounding on them, and they shoot and kill you, you should know that they might not be convicted of any crime.

Hypothetically, what if the gun was in the owner's hand?

 

[Cackalacky]

Hypothetically, what if the gun was in the owner's hand?

What if they fired off warning shots into the sky?

 

[Woneone]

No I am entitled to ask them why the hell they are following me without fear of being gunned down. If it became apparent said person had a gun then yeah I would fell I have every right to defend myself by whatever means possible.

Everyone always reverses the situation, so let's do that here.

Let's say a "White" (your mileage on this term may vary) man is walking down the street on his phone. He notices a black man following him. He says to the person on the other end, "N**#$r following me".

(And I'm going to go according to what we've heard for this next part)

(You're going to need some imagination for this next line) Being the superior athlete, He lets the black man catch up to him. He approaches, asking "Why you following me?", startling his follower, and then breaks his nose, knocking him to the ground.

He straddles him, punching him in the face, bouncing his head off the concrete.

He's just committed a Hate Crime or in this case, was it justified as well?

 

[irishpat183]

Because he was following him around the neighborhood in the dark and in the rain?

as opposed to walking around in dark clothing in the rain??

Who's more creepy?

 

[ACamp1900]

MOAR mindless bickering!!!!

 

[irishpat183]

Apparently at some point he did according to the testimony Martin grabbed for it.

Yeah....after the fight had already started.

Again, it's not like GZ chased TM down the street with a gun waving. TM didnt know. If he did..it's likely a confrontation would never have happened. Unless TM thought he was just that big of a bada$$ and went after GZ anyway.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Hypothetically, what if the gun was in the owner's hand?

The jury would have to decide if you had a reasonable fear of substantial injury. If he's holding it to your temple = good case. If he's cleaning it = bad case.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

What if they fired off warning shots into the sky?

Why would a person randomly approach you, ask you some questions, and then fire warning shots into the sky? What are they warning you about doing?

But in any event, same with GoIrish -- the jury would have to decide if you had a reasonable fear of substantial injury.

 

[irishpat183]

No I am entitled to ask them why the hell they are following me without fear of being gunned down. If it became apparent said person had a gun then yeah I would fell I have every right to defend myself by whatever means possible.

This is a terrible post.


1. GZ didn't flash the gun to get TM to answer questions. So throw out the "fear of being gunned down" crap

2. If someone with a gun told you to stop doing something, you woldn't be defending anything. Or you'd be dumb. Because then you'd be dead.


Which leads me to the conclusion that TM had no effing idea that GZ was packing. If he had, he probably would've ran off instead of confronting GZ. Only when the fight started, did TM realize GZ had a gun and tried to get to it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

as opposed to walking around in dark clothing in the rain??

Who's more creepy?

It is creepy to wear dark clothes at night and/or in the rain? I bring my dog out for walks every night and I've never thought one time about what colors I was wearing. I'm sure I've worn dark many times. It literally had never crossed my mind. Just thought as long as I didn't step in front of a car it wouldn't matter. Never thought that someone might be observing me and making assumptions about me and could justifiably hunt me down and kill me because of it.

 

[irishpat183]

MOAR mindless bickering!!!!

It's fun....shut up!


There is nothing better than a good, beat to death, argument.

 

[Woneone]

The jury would have to decide if you had a reasonable fear of substantial injury. If he's holding it to your temple = good case. If he's cleaning it = bad case.

Cleaning it near your temple?

 

[irishog77]

What if my aunt had balls??

 

[Cackalacky]

And the merry go-round continues......I will never understand how there is anything in this whole pile of crap that is reasonable or acceptable.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Cleaning it near your temple?

Yeah, if he's cleaning the gun with your hair, you have the Trial of the Century.

 

[irishpat183]

It is creepy to wear dark clothes at night and/or in the rain? I bring my dog out for walks every night and I've never thought one time about what colors I was wearing. I'm sure I've worn dark many times. It literally had never crossed my mind. Just thought as long as I didn't step in front of a car it wouldn't matter. Never thought that someone might be observing me and making assumptions about me and could justifiably hunt me down and kill me because of it.

Tell you what, put on those dark clothes, find a neighborhood that has been hit with a string of robberies, and take your walk there.

and if you wanna throw in race and that it's because TM was black?? Take your walk in the black part of town.

See how well you're received.


It is a reasonable assumption that a strange person at night wearing a hoodie may be up to no good. I got no problem with that at all

 

[Cackalacky]

Why would a person randomly approach you, ask you some questions, and then fire warning shots into the sky? What are they warning you about doing?

But in any event, same with GoIrish -- the jury would have to decide if you had a reasonable fear of substantial injury.

I was referencing the woman who fired off warning shots to deter her abusive husband and was given 20 years in jail under the Stand your ground law.

 

[Woneone]

I was referencing the woman who fired off warning shots to deter her abusive husband and was given 20 years in jail under the Stand your ground law.

Pretty confident she lost that because she actually left the room, got the gun, came back in, and shot the shots.

Not a lot of "Standing" was involved in that one.

(At least, this is what I remember from it, correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[Cackalacky]

Tell you what, put on those dark clothes, find a neighborhood that has been hit with a string of robberies, and take your walk there.

and if you wanna throw in race and that it's because TM was black?? Take your walk in the black part of town.

See how well you're received.


It is a reasonable assumption that a strange person at night wearing a hoodie may be up to no good. I got no problem with that at all

I do that 3-5 times a week. You see I like to walk to the store nearby my house for some exercise. Sometimes it rains. Sometimes I wear a hoodie. I don't always take the same way either. I am also a large person (possibly even menacing looking). 50% of my neighborhood is minority.

It is unreasonable to jump to any conclusions. That is a bad post pat.

 

[Cackalacky]

Pretty confident she lost that because she actually left the room, got the gun, came back in, and shot the shots.

Not a lot of "Standing" was involved in that one.

(At least, this is what I remember from it, correct me if I'm wrong).

OK, so its ok to follow an unknown someone and fatally shoot them, but not ok to get a gun in order to ward off a known abuser? Gotcha. Makes total sense.

She was not allowed stand your ground and was charged with aggravated assault.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I was referencing the woman who fired off warning shots to deter her abusive husband and was given 20 years in jail under the Stand your ground law.

Yep. Jury didn't think she had a reasonable fear of substantial injury -- there was no physical altercation, and the husband said that they weren't "warning shots", but rather were shots at him that just happened to miss.

(Funny story, Angela Corey is the one who made the decision to prosecute here after she also became convinced that these weren't "warning shots" but were attempts to kill.)

But she was in her home, so she actually doesn't need Stand Your Ground at all. Even in the 19 non-SYG states, you don't have to retreat from an attacker in your home.

 

[irishpat183]

I do that 3-5 times a week. You see I like to walk to the store nearby my house for some exercise. Sometimes it rains. Sometimes I wear a hoodie. I don't always take the same way either. I am also a large person (possibly even menacing looking). 50% of my neighborhood is minority.

It is unreasonable to jump to any conclusions. That is a bad post pat.

And 3-5 times a week, being a big guy....they know you by now.

And has your neighborhood had a string of robberies?

 

[irishpat183]

OK, so its ok to follow an unknown someone and fatally shoot them, but not ok to get a gun in order to ward off a known abuser? Gotcha. Makes total sense.

I don't think it makes any sense....but you have to understand that the GZ/TM trial has, literally, NOTHING to do with Stand your ground.