'10 NC DE Prince Shembo (In hot water)

[BobD]

Is it too early to start panicking over 2014? We lose 5 starters and 2 key backups from our front seven.

 

[chicago51]

Is it too early to start panicking over 2014? We lose 5 starters and 2 key backups from our front seven.

This is the perfect time to panic

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[Bogtrotter07]

Seriously. Williams looks like a stud but Carter looks like the best edge rusher prospect in years IMO and Jaylon IMO is a potential Von Miller type level talent.

I think the ceiling for Williams is that which Prince Shembo would have had if he had ideal measurables. And Prince would be a 1st rounder without a doubt if he he was 6'4"+.

Prince will be a first rounder. Matt Millen picked him as number 4 linebacker. With this years performance he will cement it. Remember the way he has of tossing very large O-linemen. He got that guy at MSU and Taylor Lewan two weeks in a row. He is the CAT!

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[GoldenToTheGrave]

Prince will be a first rounder. Matt Millen picked him as number 4 linebacker. With this years performance he will cement it. Remember the way he has of tossing very large O-linemen. He got that guy at MSU and Taylor Lewan two weeks in a row. He is the CAT!

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Well I just checked out Melvin Ingram who has a similar frame/profile as Prince and perhaps you're right, although Prince is probably a notch below Ingram as a prospect (although I can't say I watched much of Ingram play in college). IMO Prince will probably fall to the 2nd round but could get into the 1st if a team likes him.

Just that with a rush LB with less than ideal length it's tough. That fact makes Prince even more impressive but will hurt him in the draft.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Well I just checked out Melvin Ingram who has a similar frame/profile as Prince and perhaps you're right, although Prince is probably a notch below Ingram as a prospect (although I can't say I watched much of Ingram play in college). IMO Prince will probably fall to the 2nd round but could get into the 1st if a team likes him.

Just that with a rush LB with less than ideal length it's tough. That fact makes Prince even more impressive but will hurt him in the draft.

Check Princes thread, Matt Millen evaluation. Matt Millen is calling him Number 4. That would be AA. With the way I expect the defense to play, Prince may be beneficiary of the good PR!

 

[koonja]

Ill empty my vbucks that prince is not a first rounder. Nothing against him and he's a great player, but he's not first round talent IMO.

 

[Luckylucci]

While I think Prince will have a very good year and have a solid career ahead of him. Keep in mind that during Millen's segment there were probably 8-10 guys that were on the board that he said are just as good as some that he chose but he expects the ones that he chose to have bigger seasons. So part of the selection was not current production or evaluation but expected future success. Therefore Shembo will have to have a very good season to stay there, which I think he can. With that said he'll have to better than last year.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I love Prince but I don't think he is even close to a first rounder, though I would love to be proven wrong. And using Matt Millen as a source to support a position doesn't really do much because Matt Millen is a joke.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I love Prince but I don't think he is even close to a first rounder, though I would love to be proven wrong. And using Matt Millen as a source to support a position doesn't really do much because Matt Millen is a joke.

Scouts, Inc. Kevin Weidl stated in the NC game that Bama ran a way from Tuitt and at Prince. that's where they had their success.

 

[IrishLax]

If Shembo came out last year he was looking at 3rd to 6th round range. I could easily see him becoming a 2nd round pick. 1st round? Really doubtful.

 

[T Town Tommy]

There is a reason Matt Millen sucked as a GM in the NFL. Nothing against Prince but I see him early mid rounds.

 

[dwshade]

Ill empty my vbucks that prince is not a first rounder. Nothing against him and he's a great player, but he's not first round talent IMO.

As of now Shembo would be a projected 3rd rounder. But he could easily move up with a great season.

 

[Ricochet]

Shembo is a nice player, he's been good not great people. Some here need to get honest with themselves and take off those blue and gold colored glasses and be objective rather than just a homer that's blindly loyal.

Shembo is a best with a great season a 3rd round pick.

This reminds me of last off season when the were poster saying that C. Wood wasn't going to come back for his final year of eligibility because he was one of the best RBs and that he could go as early as the late first round. As time went on it became mid 2nd and no later than the 3rd round yet these posters/fans didn't want to hear what talent evaluators had to say from the get go that he was at best a 6th rounder and what do you know he didn't get drafted.

As for Andrew Williams he could surprise and be a game changing talent but odds are vastly against that being the case. He would be a nice get, a good player that I want ND to get but let's get real and realize he's nowhere near the talent that let's say a Lorenzo Carter is.

That's not a slight it's just reality. True game changing talent is very rare and most of those 5 stars won't be the player there potential says they could be. There will be some surprises from players because they were late bloomer or just being overlooked because they came from a non football power state or from a small school that player against suspect competition and whatnot.

 

[Son of Kenmare]

For those of you who can't find Prince's page.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...10-nc-de-prince-shembo-notre-dame-signee.html

Feel free to follow the link

 

[dwshade]

Scouts, Inc. Kevin Weidl stated in the NC game that Bama ran a way from Tuitt and at Prince. that's where they had their success.

Terrible analysis given that Tuitt is a 300 pound 3-4 DE and Shembo is a 250 pound 3-4 OLB. If they were running away from Tuitt it was towards KLM not Shembo.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Shembo is a nice player, he's been good not great people. Some here need to get honest with themselves and take off those blue and gold colored glasses and be objective rather than just a homer that's blindly loyal.

Well, he's no Junior Seau, but that's okay. Shembo does a fantactic job with his responsibilities within the defense, and is thus a fantastic CAT. He played last season at what I would call a "1st-team all-conference" level.

Shembo is a best with a great season a 3rd round pick.

Well I'll disagree, but that's moot anyway because college football and production is much different than the NFL.

This reminds me of last off season when the were poster saying that C. Wood wasn't going to come back for his final year of eligibility because he was one of the best RBs and that he could go as early as the late first round. As time went on it became mid 2nd and no later than the 3rd round yet these posters/fans didn't want to hear what talent evaluators had to say from the get go that he was at best a 6th rounder and what do you know he didn't get drafted.

Plenty of people, "talent evaluators" including, had him in a group of running backs shy of an elite level. You haven't seen Cierre pan out, maybe we saw a 2012 campaign that was the trough (compared to the 2011 crest) that is Cierre Wood's wave. We just don't know. That doesn't mean the read on him being in the group of backs to keep an eye on (after two straight seasons of growing upon successes) was the wrong way to look at it.

As for Andrew Williams he could surprise and be a game changing talent but odds are vastly against that being the case. He would be a nice get, a good player that I want ND to get but let's get real and realize he's nowhere near the talent that let's say a Lorenzo Carter is.

That's not a slight it's just reality. True game changing talent is very rare and most of those 5 stars won't be the player there potential says they could be. There will be some surprises from players because they were late bloomer or just being overlooked because they came from a non football power state or from a small school that player against suspect competition and whatnot.

I think a wiser approach is to recognize that we don't know anything about the future. Fans should be humble. I don't think it's a matter of Williams being the LeBron James of football, it's how well he can play CAT within the defense. That's what makes good teams. So much of this recruiting bullshit doesn't take into account the roles the coaches are sizing someone up for, and that variable throws everything off completely.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Ill empty my vbucks that prince is not a first rounder. Nothing against him and he's a great player, but he's not first round talent IMO.

Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

 

[koonja]

Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

I'm currently in the middle of a vbet for 15 million on whether yeargin commits this month. Since he may not, I can't guarantee that ill have 28 million. However, if he does, ill bet whatever you want that Shembo is not a first round pick. You can choose between 28 million or all of my loot at that point, I'm fine with either.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Twenty-eight million it is. Let's set this fixed amount. And make it official.


Now that we have a bet, let me tell you how serious I consider it. It is a covenant. Between us. Since this bet will not be executed until next April, do not dare let your net worth drop below 28M. That gives you 900K leeway. If it drops below that, expect me to come looking for my vcash. Wiskey isn't too far for me to travel. Nobody front the money.



I like Bogs, Y or N.

(Circle one.)


And by the way what is this blue and gold colored glasses, crap? I believed we had eight truly elite down linemen and os linebackers, last spring. The problem in the natty wasn't an OS linebackers play. It was the coaching. The staff inverted one of the defensive ends and did not adjust by moving a linebacker over. So there was a gap where an OS linebacker should have been. I have one 28 M bet for Shembo any more takers? I will do bets down to 5 M.

Put me down for $5M. Wish I had more, but glad I can meet the minimum!

 

[koonja]

I'm currently in the middle of a vbet for 15 million on whether yeargin commits this month. Since he may not, I can't guarantee that ill have 28 million. However, if he does, ill bet whatever you want that Shembo is not a first round pick. You can choose between 28 million or all of my loot at that point, I'm fine with either.

After a generous gift from NDBoiler, I can guarantee myself for the 28 million. It's on like donkey kong.

 

[Luckylucci]

Lets get the Shembo talk in here.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I'll go all in on whatever amount I have at the time that he does not go in the first round.

I guess its possible since he is an edge rusher, but he'd have to have an absolutely monster year.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Now didn't I say that you had to have your own money for this bet? I will do 42 M with you, or nothing. The 28 someone else gave you and the remainder that you would have if you lose the Yeargin bet, which should be around 13 M.

 

[koonja]

Now didn't I say that you had to have your own money for this bet? I will do 42 M with you, or nothing. The 28 someone else gave you and the remainder that you would have if you lose the Yeargin bet, which should be around 13 M.

To be fair, I didn't ask for it. And if I win he'll be paid back, lol.

Bogs, I really don't care what we bet. Tim Tebow has as good of a chance at beating out Brady as Shembo does of going in the 1st round.

 

[Old Man Mike]

"Reckless vBetters". Breathtaking.

 

[Luckylucci]

Put me down for thinking Shembo has a very good year this year. However, for him to go in the first round he is going to have to be insanely productive, we're talking 12+ sacks, 17+ TFL. The reason I say that is because I don't think he's necessarily going to test all that well. Remember Chase Thomas went undrafted and that guy was crazy productive. So, I'm going with round 3.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

1. Jamie Collins, Southern Miss, 2012 stats: 12 games, 92 tackles (20 for loss), 10 sacks, 4 forced fumbles vertical (41.5 inches) and broad jumps (11'7).

2. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers, 2012 stats: 13 games, 136 tackles (12 for loss), 6 sacks, 6 forced fumbles, 2 interceptions

3. Sio Moore, Connecticut, 2012 stats: 12 games, 72 tackles (15.5 for loss), 7.5 sacks

4. Brandon Jenkins, Florida State, 2012 stats: 1 game, 3 tackles, 1 sack

5. Chase Thomas, Stanford, 2012 stats: 14 games, 71 tackles (15.5 for loss), 7.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 interception

 

[Luckylucci]

Should have specified, for his career he had 50.5 TFL and 27.5 sacks.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Terrible analysis given that Tuitt is a 300 pound 3-4 DE and Shembo is a 250 pound 3-4 OLB. If they were running away from Tuitt it was towards KLM not Shembo.

I think you are forgetting that KLM missed three quarters of the game.

BTW do you watch the coaches tape and analyse the tape for a living?

 

[dwshade]

Shembo is a 3-4 OLB so any comparison to Tuitt is an absurd one. Shembo is a 3rd rounder with the chance of imroving his stock as the season progresses.