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U.S. government secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon users: Report

By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 15 hrs ago..

Gen. Keith Alexander, director of the NSA and U.S. Cyber Command, in Washington, May 14, 2013. (Stelios Varias …The Obama administration has defended its gathering of phone records of millions of Verizon customers—right down to local call data—after the Guardian newspaper reported late Wednesday night that the National Security Agency has been collecting them under a top-secret court order issued in April. The administration called it a "critical tool" against terrorism and underlined that the government is not listening in on anyone's calls.

Under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order, the Guardian reported, Verizon Business Services must provide the NSA “on an ongoing daily basis” with information from calls between the U.S. and overseas—as well as from calls made entirely inside the U.S. Calls made entirely overseas were not affected. It was unclear whether phones in other Verizon divisions—its regular cellphone operations, for instance—were similarly targeted.

Guardian writer Glenn Greenwald, a frequent and fierce critic of the national security state’s expansion since 9/11, writes in his bombshell report that:

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk—regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The order, issued April 25 and valid through July 19, requires Verizon to turn over the numbers of both parties, location data, call duration and other information—though not the contents of the calls.

The White House initially declined to comment, but a senior administration official has now defended the activities described in the Guardian piece without confirming the specific report.

"On its face, the order reprinted in the article does not allow the government to listen in on anyone's telephone calls," the official, who requested anonymity, wrote in an email. "The information acquired does not include the content of any communications or the name of any subscriber."

And "information of the sort described in the Guardian article has been a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats to the United States, as it allows counterterrorism personnel to discover whether known or suspected terrorists have been in contact with other persons who may be engaged in terrorist activities, particularly people located inside the United States," the official said.

Congress has been "regularly and fully briefed" on such practices, which occur under a "robust legal regime" and "strict controls and procedures ... to ensure that they comply with the Constitution and laws of the United States and appropriately protect privacy and civil liberties," the official added.

Judge Roger Vinson’s order relies on Section 215 of the Patriot Act. That part of the law, also known as the “business records provision,” permits FBI agents to seek a court order for “any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items)” it deems relevant to an investigation.

Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee, has repeatedly sounded the alarm about the way the government interprets that provision—though he's sharply limited in what he can say about classified information. Wyden and Democratic Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado, another committee member, wrote a scathing letter to Attorney General Eric Holder in September 2011 warning that Americans would be "stunned" if they learned what the government was doing.

The American Civil Liberties Union denounced the scope of the surveillance. "It’s analogous to the FBI stationing an agent outside every home in the country to track who goes in and who comes out," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director. The organization's legislative counsel, Michelle Richardson, bluntly branded the surveillance "unconstitutional" and insisted "the government should end it and disclose its full scope, and Congress should initiate a full investigation."

And former Vice President Al Gore sharply condemned the government's actions on Twitter:

Al Gore ✔ @algore

In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous? NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily


9:39 PM - 5 Jun 2013
 

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This is awful.

I am so thankful for the Patriot Act; which is what was used to give to the government the authority to do this.

Eric Holder is a terrible Attorney General in so many ways, it enrages me that not only that the President hasn't asked for his resignation but has defended Holder at every turn.
 
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Seriously??? How long can Eric Holder retain his job????

The Constitution means NOTHING to that man.
 

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Between this and Tea Party Congressman Stephen Fincher going on a crusade to cut the food stamp program so he can get millions more money for himself through agriculture subsidies has caused me to lose all my patience with the federal government.

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I have been thinking lately, that the real friend to big business wasn't President Geo. W. Bush, but President Barak Obama. I have also bee feeling more and more ominous about some of the signals that I feel the Obama Whitehouse has been sending. No prosecution of the big banks, and their criminals, er, executives; now this! Paul, Ryan, and Romney have to be licking their chops. I hope we can come up with a sensible alternative before '16!
 

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Big problems for Obama but he is not responsible. He is completely isolated to keep deniability on every scandal. Plus the economy
 

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The director of NSA, like Eric Holder, the head of the IRS, the Sec of State, the National Security Advisor, and the UN Ambassador all function at the pleasure and direction of The President who appointed them.

There can only be one explanation.

Obviously, Bush is at fault.
 
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Seriously??? How long can Eric Holder retain his job????

The Constitution means NOTHING to the government.

FIFY. Don't blame just Holder. This has been going on since the Patriot Act and probably before. Our government is ****ed.
 

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I have been thinking lately, that the real friend to big business wasn't President Geo. W. Bush, but President Barak Obama. I have also bee feeling more and more ominous about some of the signals that I feel the Obama Whitehouse has been sending. No prosecution of the big banks, and their criminals, er, executives; now this! Paul, Ryan, and Romney have to be licking their chops. I hope we can come up with a sensible alternative before '16!

I agree with all of this, although George W. Bush was a friend to big business as well. I voted for Obama twice and I do agree with his stance on social issues, the environment, his "all of the above" energy policy, and his stance on needing to beef up our infrastructure. That said Obama's economic team is littered with former guys from Wall Street and the Banking industry.

The 1981/1982 financial crisis which occurred largely because of Reagan's own deregulation of banking. That said the Reagan administration actually prosecuted a couple thousand banksters and several dozen faced prison sentencing. If Ronald Reagan can prosecute banksters the Obama administration has no excuse.
 

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The director of NSA, like Eric Holder, the head of the IRS, the Sec of State, the National Security Advisor, and the UN Ambassador all function at the pleasure and direction of The President who appointed them.

There can only be one explanation.

Obviously, Bush is at fault.

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The two faced nature of the the Obama administration on national security really frustrates me.

Obama two weeks ago gave a speech about ending the blank check authorization force, and talked about bringing more transparency to couter terrorism operations in general. Things I agree with. It is time we start putting liberty ahead of security again.

However the actions indicate at least one of two things is going on here, maybe both:

1- Obama has not control/oversight of the executive branch which has allowed the CIA, Department of Justice, and other agencies are just run rampant and out of control.

2- Obama is engaging in the very practices that he campaigned against back in 2008 when he campaigned for change.
 
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FIFY. Don't blame just Holder. This has been going on since the Patriot Act and probably before. Our government is ****ed.

Your right "Don't blame just Holder". Who appointed him? Who does he answer to? Who could could stop Holder's runaway train by a simple sentence, much less Executive Order?


What happened to "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN"?

Or "FORWORD"?



It happened NOW.

Four+ years into THIS Administration.
 

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A couple of quotes come to mind.

Freedom of speech, just watch what you say.

Independence limited
Freedom of choice is made for you my friend
Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception

I agree with all of this, although George W. Bush was a friend to big business as well. I voted for Obama twice and I do agree with his stance on social issues, the environment, his "all of the above" energy policy, and his stance on needing to beef up our infrastructure. That said Obama's economic team is littered with former guys from Wall Street and the Banking industry.

The 1981/1982 financial crisis which occurred largely because of Reagan's own deregulation of banking. That said the Reagan administration actually prosecuted a couple thousand banksters and several dozen faced prison sentencing. If Ronald Reagan can prosecute banksters the Obama administration has no excuse.

Just an FYI, if you take a look at a lot of former presidents administrations, they are littered with Wall Street and Banker types.
 
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Um this is a non story and has been going on for a while. In fact congress authorized it. Don't blame the Obama administration for it or Holder. Not saying that I like it just that it has been going on for years and was authorized by Congress (both Republicans and Democrats support it).
 

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The director of NSA, like Eric Holder, the head of the IRS, the Sec of State, the National Security Advisor, and the UN Ambassador all function at the pleasure and direction of The President who appointed them.

There can only be one explanation.

Obviously, Bush is at fault.

This was the best post of the day
 

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The director of NSA, like Eric Holder, the head of the IRS, the Sec of State, the National Security Advisor, and the UN Ambassador all function at the pleasure and direction of The President who appointed them.

There can only be one explanation.

Obviously, Bush is at fault.


Every admin has their things for sure, some to larger (much larger) degrees than others, and we can all debate/discuss that of course... for me, a sticking/sour point over the last five plus years has been the complete inability for myself and many of my minority friends and family to criticize this administration or it's policies without the inevitable label of ‘racist’ or ‘uncle tom’ being thrown at us (even here). Regardless of where anyone’s ideologies stand, can we at least now all agree that people have valid reasons to not stand with this administration according to strictly differing ideologies/opinions and stop hiding behind race???


sorry,...

just had to get that off my chest.
 

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I blacked out ther for a second... what happened????
 

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It doesn't really matter which party wins. Presidents are puppets. The people behind the scene, pumping the money, decide what happens. That has been the case for ever. There is no such thing as a true democracy...
 

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Let me get this straight...

The executive branch legally obtained a warrant from the judicial branch in accordance with the statutes written by the legislative branch?

The horror.

IMPEACH HIM!
 

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It doesn't really matter which party wins. Presidents are puppets. The people behind the scene, pumping the money, decide what happens. That has been the case for ever. There is no such thing as a true democracy...

Couldn't agree more. Yeah, you can wrap the "conspiracy" cone on my head if you want. I don't believe in Illuminati, per se, but I have been doing some reading on the history of the federal reserve lately. If you don't know much about it, it is worth your time to review.
 
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Your right "Don't blame just Holder". Who appointed him? Who does he answer to? Who could could stop Holder's runaway train by a simple sentence, much less Executive Order?


What happened to "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN"?

Or "FORWORD"?



It happened NOW.

Four+ years into THIS Administration.
As far as we know now. I agree something must be done but this has been a long time coming. If you (everyone, not you specifically) are surprised by this come talk to me I have some bridges I need to unload.
 
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Every admin has their things for sure, some to larger (much larger) degrees than others, and we can all debate/discuss that of course... for me, a sticking/sour point over the last five plus years has been the complete inability for myself and many of my minority friends and family to criticize this administration or it's policies without the inevitable label of ‘racist’ or ‘uncle tom’ being thrown at us (even here). Regardless of where anyone’s ideologies stand, can we at least now all agree that people have valid reasons to not stand with this administration according to strictly differing ideologies/opinions and stop hiding behind race???


sorry,...

just had to get that off my chest.
I agree 100% that Obama has been much harsher on certain policies that the Patriot Act allowed as well as with Wall street (much more than Bush). This is just the tip of the iceberg and if journalists would do journalism and not what their corporate masters want reported, more stuff like this might just come out. I think the repeal of Citizens United and Patriot Act are two serious policies that need to go.
 
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Kim Dotcom's tweet is especially dire, saying that the Verizon news is a leak so we don't know if AT&T, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Skype, etc are under orders to do the same thing. Just disgraceful.
 
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Kim Dotcom's tweet is especially dire, saying that the Verizon news is a leak so we don't know if AT&T, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Skype, etc are under orders to do the same thing. Just disgraceful.

Wasn't this what CISPA was about?
 

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I'm happy to let the government screen my e-mails and phone calls for me. Let them deal with the tele-marketers and Nigerian princes with "promising opportunities."
 
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