'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[vmgsf]

Whiskeyjack, woolybug25, IrishLax, and Bogtrotter07 you have been very unkind to Stewed Bruin. How dare you bring facts, analysis and objective data to show that Stewed Bruin does not know his butt from a hole in the ground? Shame on you.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Whiskeyjack, woolybug25, IrishLax, and Bogtrotter07 you have been very unkind to Stewed Bruin. How dare you bring facts, analysis and objective data to show that Stewed Bruin does not know his butt from a hole in the ground? Shame on you.

Some of us are just fukkin' unkind people.

Speaking of which. Everyone that speculates about grades are being unkind to admission. I spoke with a friend, who is in admission elsewhere, and it is a beastly job. Take a simple class, I don't know, a foreign language or a General Science class. Okay, this is a one credit class. But what is taught? That could vary between schools, within district, within states, in each of the fifty. This friend of mine deals with equivalencies, I think that is what she said, every day. Just because you have general science, it doesn't mean that you had the right environmental science within that course. Or just because you have a language class, it doesn't mean you have enough conjugating of verbs. This friend made it clear that this must be an overwhelming job, being in admission at a top university with such a national(international) enrollment.

And on to the other question. IT IS KRAY. Google the Kray bros Reggie and Ronald. That is where it came from. They were Kray.

 

[50milesSE ND]

It's hard to believe parents would be so mad about having to take a class over summer that they would support this move. If lied to understandable, but if overlooked on accident people need to get over it. What a wasted opportunity in life. I know we need someone of his caliber, but not of his character. Like WHISKY said there are things he will encounter, and will have to get past not give up. We have to get through every season with losing someone whether it be NFL, graduation, or loss of commits. Every school has this issue, and we have alot of good young guys ready to compete. GO IRISH!!!!

 

[rikkitikki08]

Apparently their is a kid at Teo's high school who i believe is a NT and is gaining a ton of momentum as of late. Now is the time to use that pipeline ND.

 

[Luckylucci]

The only kid from Teo's high school that I know of is, Canton kaumatule, he is a 2015 prospect and definitely not a NT, DE prospect. Am I missing somebody?

 

[dublinirish]

there's another kid called Ruari Brady from Puna but hes a DE and 230 lbs lol.

 

[rikkitikki08]

The only kid from Teo's high school that I know of is, Canton kaumatule, he is a 2015 prospect and definitely not a NT, DE prospect. Am I missing somebody?

I believe you're right the more i think about it, either way lets still get him in a Notre Dame uniform

 

[jerboski]

The only kid from Teo's high school that I know of is, Canton kaumatule, he is a 2015 prospect and definitely not a NT, DE prospect. Am I missing somebody?

Unfortunately, his brother goes to Stanford so going be a tough pull

 

[rikkitikki08]

OK guys i am sorry, quit pissing in my lack of recruiting knowledge cheerios

 

[NDdomer2]

OK guys i am sorry, quit pissing in my lack of recruiting knowledge cheerios

what aisle are those in?

 

[rikkitikki08]

what aisle are those in?

They're in aisle 69....giggty goo

 

[Cackalacky]

I guess we need to start expecting this type of stuff with the highly rated recruits under Kelly. I know its all speculation right now, but is it too much of a stretch to think there are that many 5 star kids out there that are ready to tackle ND? If Kelly is gonna go after these kids, we better start expecting baggage, or at a bare minimum, drama. I know I have. If I see a 5 star now, I do not have high expectations.
Keil
Neal
Shephard
Greenberry
Lynch

How come we are having these problems under Kelly and not under Weis? His 5-stars stuck around it seems to me.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I guess we need to start expecting this type of stuff with the highly rated recruits under Kelly. I know its all speculation right now, but is it too much of a stretch to think there are that many 5 star kids out there that are ready to tackle ND? If Kelly is gonna go after these kids, we better start expecting baggage, or at a bare minimum, drama. I know I have. If I see a 5 star now, I do not have high expectations.
Keil
Neal
Shephard
Greenberry
Lynch

How come we are having these problems under Kelly and not under Weis? His 5-stars stuck around it seems to me.

Those players were playing the minute they stepped on campus, the depth is a night and day difference from now to then

 

[ScooterIrish]

I guess we need to start expecting this type of stuff with the highly rated recruits under Kelly. I know its all speculation right now, but is it too much of a stretch to think there are that many 5 star kids out there that are ready to tackle ND? If Kelly is gonna go after these kids, we better start expecting baggage, or at a bare minimum, drama. I know I have. If I see a 5 star now, I do not have high expectations.
Keil
Neal
Shephard
Greenberry
Lynch

How come we are having these problems under Kelly and not under Weis? His 5-stars stuck around it seems to me.

Really!? Again?

Look, this is simple.
Keil - couldn't beat out our QB and he knew it. He wanted to play and didn't want to sit at ND 3 years. Every top school has had this happen lately - USC, Florida, Bama. That is a risk with top QB's that don't win the starting job.
Neal - had a child that he wanted to be close to. That's Kelly's fault how? Kelly didn't give him protection before he left for Arizona?
Shepard - didn't get past NCAA clearinghouse. Couldn't even get into Oklahoma.
DGB - knew what was going on with Shepard and bailed. No surprise really.
Lynch - a head case that wanted back but ND said no.

 

[dublinirish]

Those players were playing the minute they stepped on campus, the depth is a night and day difference from now to then

agree! clasuen, floyd, rudy etc were pretty much guaranteed to start from the outset.

You know well Clausen would have packed his bags like Kiel did if faced with a similar depth chart ahead of him. Not saying I didnt appreciate JC's efforts at ND, he played his butt off but his mentality as a freshman, i doubt he would have been able to stomach a RS year and a potential starting QB with 3 years eligibility.

 

[Cackalacky]

Those players were playing the minute they stepped on campus, the depth is a night and day difference from now to then

Yes but to me, under Kelly, each of these kids seem so different in their reasons for not making it, and depth has little to do with it. Too much drama. Even with Clausen's 4 heismans, Floyd's drinking, and Manti's imaginary GF, they all still played and did well.

EV would have immediately played. So would have Shephard. Lynch was starting as a freshman, and Neal did too. Keil was the only one who could have the depth argument and he was a nightmare of a recruit.

Anyway, I am not holding my breath anymore on these last day announcing 5-star kids.

 

[Luckylucci]

How quickly people forget that we have 3 other five stars coming in this year. Vanderdoes stings and it could for awhile. However, we'll do the same thing we did when we lost lynch. Get the next man in and ready.

 

[dublinirish]

Yes but to me, under Kelly, each of these kids seem so different in their reasons for not making it, and depth has little to do with it. Too much drama. Even with Clausen's 4 heismans, Floyd's drinking, and Manti's imaginary GF, they all still played and did well.

EV would have immediately played. So would have Shephard. Lynch was starting as a freshman, and Neal did too. Keil was the only one who could have the depth argument and he was a nightmare of a recruit.

Anyway, I am not holding my breath anymore on these last day announcing 5-star kids.

didnt CW have that "if you visit other schools you are not committed" attitude so the likes of Lynch, Tuitt, Ishaq would never have come to ND. Also they were defensive players..ZING

 

[Cackalacky]

Really!? Again?

Look, this is simple.
Keil - couldn't beat out our QB and he knew it. He wanted to play and didn't want to sit at ND 3 years. Every top school has had this happen lately - USC, Florida, Bama. That is a risk with top QB's that don't win the starting job.Baggage
Neal - had a child that he wanted to be close to. That's Kelly's fault how? Kelly didn't give him protection before he left for Arizona?Baggage
Shepard - didn't get past NCAA clearinghouse. Couldn't even get into Oklahoma.Baggage..and how the hell did he EE?
DGB - knew what was going on with Shepard and bailed. No surprise really.Baggage
Lynch - a head case that wanted back but ND said no.Baggage

This is exactly what I am saying. Re-read my post. You go ahead and be surprised when they leave. I will be surprised when they stick around.

 

[Cackalacky]

How quickly people forget that we have 3 other five stars coming in this year. Vanderdoes stings and it could for awhile. However, we'll do the same thing we did when we lost lynch. Get the next man in and ready.

I did not forget and I left them off my list. I hope they stick.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

How come we are having these problems under Kelly and not under Weis? His 5-stars stuck around it seems to me.

Well Kelly managed to retain a couple of Weis' 5 star guys. He kept Te'o from going pro early and same with Floyd. Not sure that would have been the case if Weis were still around. Weis didn't have that many to lose really. The only 5 stars I can recall are Clausen, Crist, Te'o, Rudolph, and Floyd. Maybe Aldridge, I can't remember if he was a 5 star or not. Kelly has gotten almost that many in just 1 recruiting class. He had 3 in 2011 (I believe Ishaq was a 5 star on at least 1 service but may be wrong), 3 committed in 2012 but none of them stayed, and then 4 last season and another 2 already this season. He has back to back 5 star running backs, too. Kelly can recruit but when you get guys with egos like that, guys who have been told their whole lives how great they are, you are bound to lose a few if things don't go their way and admittedly, ND is not an easy place for guys with egos. They don't want to have to work. Roughly half of the elite players expect a free ride to the pros and they don't want to have to do much off the field to make sure they get there. ND is going to recruit elite players but they are not always going to pan out.

 

[BGIF]

what aisle are those in?

Same aisle as the tampons.

 

[Cackalacky]

Well Kelly managed to retain a couple of Weis' 5 star guys. He kept Te'o from going pro early and same with Floyd. Not sure that would have been the case if Weis were still around. Weis didn't have that many to lose really. The only 5 stars I can recall are Clausen, Crist, Te'o, Rudolph, and Floyd. Maybe Aldridge, I can't remember if he was a 5 star or not. Kelly has gotten almost that many in just 1 recruiting class. He had 3 in 2011 (I believe Ishaq was a 5 star on at least 1 service but may be wrong), 3 committed in 2012 but none of them stayed, and then 4 last season and another 2 already this season. He has back to back 5 star running backs, too. Kelly can recruit but when you get guys with egos like that, guys who have been told their whole lives how great they are, you are bound to lose a few if things don't go their way and admittedly, ND is not an easy place for guys with egos. They don't want to have to work. Roughly half of the elite players expect a free ride to the pros and they don't want to have to do much off the field to make sure they get there. ND is going to recruit elite players but they are not always going to pan out.

Yes. Aldrige was a 5-star at least on rivals I think as well.

 

[connor_in]

Really!? Again?

Look, this is simple.
Keil - couldn't beat out our QB and he knew it. He wanted to play and didn't want to sit at ND 3 years. Every top school has had this happen lately - USC, Florida, Bama. That is a risk with top QB's that don't win the starting job.
Neal - had a child that he wanted to be close to. That's Kelly's fault how? Kelly didn't give him protection before he left for Arizona?
Shepard - didn't get past NCAA clearinghouse. Couldn't even get into Oklahoma.
DGB - knew what was going on with Shepard and bailed. No surprise really.
Lynch - a head case that wanted back but ND said no.

I apparently missed the part where AL wanted back (or have blotted it out of my head)...reference to refresh my memory plz?

 

[BGIF]

Well Kelly managed to retain a couple of Weis' 5 star guys. He kept Te'o from going pro early and same with Floyd. Not sure that would have been the case if Weis were still around. Weis didn't have that many to lose really. The only 5 stars I can recall are Clausen, Crist, Te'o, Rudolph, and Floyd. Maybe Aldridge, I can't remember if he was a 5 star or not. Kelly has gotten almost that many in just 1 recruiting class. He had 3 in 2011 (I believe Ishaq was a 5 star on at least 1 service but may be wrong), 3 committed in 2012 but none of them stayed, and then 4 last season and another 2 already this season. He has back to back 5 star running backs, too. Kelly can recruit but when you get guys with egos like that, guys who have been told their whole lives how great they are, you are bound to lose a few if things don't go their way and admittedly, ND is not an easy place for guys with egos. They don't want to have to work. Roughly half of the elite players expect a free ride to the pros and they don't want to have to do much off the field to make sure they get there. ND is going to recruit elite players but they are not always going to pan out.

Aldridge was 5 stars but tore up his knee in HS and was never the same despite all the hard work he put in.

And you're spot on, "ND is not an easy place for guys with egos ..."

 

[goldandblue]

Keil
Neal
Shephard
Greenberry
Lynch

How come we are having these problems under Kelly and not under Weis? His 5-stars stuck around it seems to me.

A great example of a 5 star talent under Weis that didn't stick here at ND was Chris Martin.. Look at him now. He has been out of high school what 2-3 years. Has he even played a down of football?


Weis 5 star talent per rivals.

2006 - James Aldridge, Sam Young - Both High Character kids neither Young or Aldridge lived up to expectations

2007 - Jimmy Clausen - started freshman year. Why would he leave?
2008 - Dayne Crist, Micheal Floyd, Kyle Rudolph - Plenty of playing time with the exception of Crist. Crist thought he had the starting job wrapped up within two years for sure and he did but lost it.
2009 - Manti Teo - Need I say anything about the character of this young man?

Kelly 5 star talent per rivals

2010 - 0
2011 - Stephon Tuitt, Ishaq Williams - Aaron Lynch actually rated a 4 star on rivals. Stephon and Ishaq still with the program and doing well. Aaron Lynch left to go home to his girlfriend and need I remind you that his own mother was totally against this move and reached out to Justin Tuck to talk her son out of leaving....

2012 - Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal - Most people want to add Deontay Greenberry and Tee shepard in the mix here as 5 star talent as well. First off, Deontay never signed a LOI. He committed to the Irish in my opinion with pressure from his cousin Tee Shepard and never was truly committed to coming here. Tee Shepard on the other hand made it on campus somehow but was no where near ready to take on the academic rigors of ND. Davonte in my opinion did the right thing. He had a child and had an opportunity to be a father and raise that child so he took it. Kudos to him and ND for allowing him to leave and be a father that so many choose not to do. Gunner, he wanted to play and didn't see it for 3 years.

2013 - Greg Bryant, Max Redfield, Jaylon Smith, Eddie Vanderdoes - 3 of the 4 cannot wait to get on campus. Vanderdoes for reasons unknown by the majority of the public is pissed about something and doesn't want to come. By reading through this thread I gather that he was asked to do something from an academic standpoint for admissions and did not/was not going to do anymore work.


In summary, maybe Brian Kelly is taking more chances with his recruits. Hoping that if he can get them on campus, he and the Notre Dame experience will mold these young athletes into men.

 

[Luckylucci]

For me its not whether they are 5 stars or 2 stars, there has been significant improvements in the product that plays on saturdays and thats all any of us should care about.

 

[ScooterIrish]

This is exactly what I am saying. Re-read my post. You go ahead and be surprised when they leave. I will be surprised when they stick around.

Just because a kid switches a verbal doesn't mean he has baggage - Kiel and Neal didn't have baggage. Neal would have liked to stay at ND but he made a great choice to be close to his child.

But if that means baggage, Nix and Tuitt had baggage too.

 

[Cackalacky]

A great example of a 5 star talent under Weis that didn't stick here at ND was Chris Martin.. Look at him now. He has been out of high school what 2-3 years. Has he even played a down of football?


Weis 5 star talent per rivals.

2006 - James Aldridge, Sam Young - Both High Character kids neither Young or Aldridge lived up to expectations. (Weis Recruits)

2007 - Jimmy Clausen - started freshman year. Why would he leave?No problem here
2008 - Dayne Crist, Micheal Floyd, Kyle Rudolph - Plenty of playing time with the exception of Crist. Crist thought he had the starting job wrapped up within two years for sure and he did but lost it. No problem here. Weis recruits
2009 - Manti Teo - Need I say anything about the character of this young man?Weis recruit. I have been quiet on his imaginary girlfriend and I will remain so. Other than that he exemplified everything ND is about.

Kelly 5 star talent per rivals

2010 - 0
2011 - Stephon Tuitt, Ishaq Williams - Aaron Lynch actually rated a 4 star on rivals. Stephon and Ishaq still with the program and doing well. Aaron Lynch left to go home to his girlfriend and need I remind you that his own mother was totally against this move and reached out to Justin Tuck to talk her son out of leaving....Great for Williams and Tuitt. Who cares about Lynch's mom. Lynch made the decision

2012 - Gunner Kiel, Davonte Neal - Most people want to add Deontay Greenberry and Tee shepard in the mix here as 5 star talent as well. First off, Deontay never signed a LOI. He committed to the Irish in my opinion with pressure from his cousin Tee Shepard and never was truly committed to coming here. Tee Shepard on the other hand made it on campus somehow but was no where near ready to take on the academic rigors of ND. Davonte in my opinion did the right thing. He had a child and had an opportunity to be a father and raise that child so he took it. Kudos to him and ND for allowing him to leave and be a father that so many choose not to do.Up until NSD, Greenbery was in the bag and I ask if there was anyone here who thought otherwise. This place was in meltdown mode on NSD. Tee was EE'd and could not make the clearing house? How? I do not know when Davonte became a father (if it was before or after being at ND, but this kid was never fully on board and I ask someone to prove that wrong. Look at his press conference. Kudos for him going back to be a father, does not change the fact that he was a recruiting nightmare too, just like Kiel.

2013 - Greg Bryant, Max Redfield, Jaylon Smith, Eddie Vanderdoes - 3 of the 4 cannot wait to get on campus. Vanderdoes for reasons unknown by the majority of the public is pissed about something and doesn't want to come. By reading through this thread I gather that he was asked to do something from an academic standpoint for admissions and did not/was not going to do anymore work.We will see how these guys turn out. Losing one already. I hope they stick.


In summary, maybe Brian Kelly is taking more chances with his recruits. Hoping that if he can get them on campus, he and the Notre Dame experience will mold these young athletes into men.

That's a great attitude to have.

 

[Cackalacky]

Just because a kid switches a verbal doesn't mean he has baggage - Kiel and Neal didn't have baggage. Neal would have liked to stay at ND but he made a great choice to be close to his child.

But if that means baggage, Nix and Tuitt had baggage too.

Oye vey! They dont have baggage because they switch a verbal. They have baggage coming in and later find out they don't want to be at ND. I am think you have reading comprehension issues.

When I see a kid take his recruitment announcement to the last day and have a publicity trainwreck (Neal) thats a red flag. So excuse me for not being surprised.

Nix stuck around after a change in coaches. That is a green flag. Tuitt wavered at the end but was not a recruiting diva. Great I am glad both of them have stuck.