'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[Emcee77]

I mean even if you knew 100 doctors the sample size would still be extremely small.

Yes, of course, but wouldn't you agree that if I know 100 doctors, half of whom did not go directly to medical school out of undergrad, it would be strange if 90% of all doctors went to medical school right out of undergrad? Not saying it's impossible, but I doubt it's the case; it would mean I know a dramatically atypical sample set.

The statement said "and." "About 90 percent of medical school applicants apply during their junior year of college AND start medical school right after college." If you take it at face value, it means that 90% do both of these things.

Yes, I agree that's what it said, but don't you agree that the bolded simply cannot be true? There is no way that 90% of med school applicants are admitted to med school on their first try. The highest ratio of applicants to matriculants that I've seen lately is like 45%, and I'm skeptical of even that. The sentence in the article you linked which seems to say that 90% of med school applicants apply in college and are admitted to med school on their first try simply must have been poorly written so as to be unintentionally misleading.

Either way, I think most people take the MCAT and go straight to school, or intend to. And your interpretation of the statement doesn't make sense anyway, because almost all MCAT scores are only good for 2-3 years.

This I don't follow... How does this come into play? First of all, people may retake the MCAT, or people who apply out of undergrad and don't get in may give up on med school and go a different route (I have several friends from school who weren't admitted to med school and became very successful in various other walks of life), or people who never considered med school at all in college enroll in a post-bac program and take the MCAT several years after graduating. But even all that aside, all I'm talking about is waiting one year. I'm certain you can take the MCAT in your junior year of college and go to med school in your second year out of school without retaking it.

I agree with you that depth will be a worry next year, and we should start thinking about it now. But not because Hendrix is going to put off med-school because most people do.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that nothing prevents Hendrix from putting off med school for one year--indeed, people often do that for various reasons--and I expect him to do that as well, since he has invested so much in being a college QB and he will want to a chance to play somewhere for a year.

Let's just assume for a second that it's true that 90% of people who go to med school do so right after college. That 10% is still a large enough percentage that I'm confident Hendrix won't feel like he has to rush into medical school if he'd prefer to play football as a starting QB somewhere for one year.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Didn't see this posted:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>For those of you that were curious, Gunner Kiel is still finishing out the semester here -- he's in class today.</p>— Tyler Moorehead (@TMoorehead627) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMoorehead627/status/313677778417508352">March 18, 2013</a></blockquote>
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For those that don't know, Tyler is the current head of the student body fan group The Leprechaun Legion, and he has a class with Gunner. The day ISD broke the story, Tyler said that Gunner was in class and nothing seemed off.

His latest tweet is in line with what others at ND have heard (which again, makes it all the more weird that he doesn't just practice and get better, ball-out in the spring game and THEN transfer).

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

For those that don't know, Tyler is the current head of the student body fan group The Leprechaun Legion, and he has a class with Gunner. The day ISD broke the story, Tyler said that Gunner was in class and nothing seemed off.

His latest tweet is in line with what others at ND have heard (which again, makes it all the more weird that he doesn't just practice and get better, ball-out in the spring game and THEN transfer).

My thoughts EXACTLY. It seems like the most logical approach to take. Hopefully he doesn't feel like he is in too deep with the whole transfer saga.

 

[tadman95]

Do we know for sure that this is just a football issue? Are there others issues, or is it just possible he doesn't like it there?

 

[GBdomer]

I read somewhere than when Gunner was going through the recruiting process him family looked at the depth chart very closely. He isn't going to start here for another three years, so he is going to dip. Why would he stay? 5 star QB's half of them transfer because they want to play right away. He wants to play and it's not going to happen here and I think its as simple as that. ND will be just fine, just like Gunner will be fine.

 

[greyhammer90]

Good luck to the kid. Usually a transfer from a place like ND is a bad decision, from a future-earnings viewpoint. I'll also say that if you can't start on your college team, it doesn't say good things about your future at the pro-level.

(Before anyone says otherwise, I am aware that there have been on-field transfer success stories, and the unique nature of the QB position makes it more understandable. But still, transfers fizzle more than they sizzle.)

 

[anarin]

I read somewhere than when Gunner was going through the recruiting process him family looked at the depth chart very closely. He isn't going to start here for another three years, so he is going to dip. Why would he stay? 5 star QB's half of them transfer because they want to play right away. He wants to play and it's not going to happen here and I think its as simple as that.ND will be just fine, just like Gunner will be fine.

And I will be fine, you will be fine and everyone at IE will be fine.

 

[GBdomer]

And I will be fine, you will be fine and everyone at IE will be fine.

Exactly bro, this will be answered tomorrow at about noon.

 

[Irish Jacky]

Gunner Kiel

Gunner Kiel

Kind of surprised that so much time has elapsed after the transfer rumor hit the 'net and nothing has happened.

Personally, I can't see why he wouldn't participate in spring practice before making a decision. What has he got to lose (OK, injury is a possibility but not a big risk).

Do you think Kelly communicated something to Kiel by recruiting Malik Zaire, who is much more in the style of EG than he is Gunner?

I guess my 2c is that Kelly didn't try hard to keep Kiel when Gunner first notified him that he'd like a release in order to transfer. Just pure speculation but Kelly must have seen something about Gunner in the past twelve months that cooled him on the kid.

Any thoughts?

 

[Grahambo]

For those that don't know, Tyler is the current head of the student body fan group The Leprechaun Legion, and he has a class with Gunner. The day ISD broke the story, Tyler said that Gunner was in class and nothing seemed off.

His latest tweet is in line with what others at ND have heard (which again, makes it all the more weird that he doesn't just practice and get better, ball-out in the spring game and THEN transfer).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>@<a href="https://twitter.com/eyesonnd">eyesonnd</a> no, no, it's not an issue of if he wants to or not. Plain and simple, if he's transferring, Kelly won't allow him to get reps.</p>— Tyler Moorehead (@TMoorehead627) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMoorehead627/status/313733827791040512">March 18, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[ND101]

Dont blame Kelly at all for not letting him practice if hes transferring. No coach in his right mind would give him reps ahead of the other qbs knowing the guy is going to hit the road at the end of the semester.

 

[Emcee77]

delete ... I misunderstood what our man Tyler was saying.

 

[Cackalacky]

Now its coach kelly's fault.....smh....

 

[PraetorianND]

Now its coach kelly's fault.....smh....

That's not what he's saying. He's saying because he's transferring BK isn't going to waste reps on him; not he isn't and wont' get reps so he's transferring.

 

[irishpat183]

I agree with BK.

To hell with this kid. I'm not wasting my time, nor the teams time on a guy that doesn't want to be here and compete. And i'm certainly not going to let some kid hold me hostage over playing time.

Again....BYE. Enjoy the MAC or where ever you end up riding the bench at.

 

[Emcee77]

I thought Gunner doesn't want to participate in spring ball because he wants to have more free time to visit potential transfer destinations. If he participates in spring ball, it will be because he has decided not to transfer, at least for now.

 

[GoIrish41]

I thought Gunner doesn't want to participate in spring ball because he wants to have more free time to visit potential transfer destinations. If he participates in spring ball, it will be because he has decided not to transfer, at least for now.

agreed. Nothing to be gained from participating in spring practice if he is going to transfer. If he participates, I think he stays.

 

[Grahambo]

+1

Kudos to him for being upfront and honest about his intentions, however, if he would have kept it to himself then he could have just participated in spring ball and made a decision afterwards.

Exactly. And with BK telling Rees he wasn't going to get as many reps because he wanted to give Kiel more yet Kiel still wants out; go forth young lad.

Rees is the enigma that won't go away.

 

[Grahambo]

agreed. Nothing to be gained from participating in spring practice if he is going to transfer. If he participates, I think he stays.

I'll disagree slightly and counter with it could give him the opportunity to show off his talents and maybe push, albeit a small push, on a door that is currently closed. Everybody can see his high school tape but that's two years ago.

Not to mention it would give Kiel the extra reps plus see if any schools come up with a devastating QB injury or something.

Just so many little things that would work better for Kiel if he transfers AFTER spring ball but I guess he was up front and honest to BK so can't fault him on that.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'll disagree slightly and counter with it could give him the opportunity to show off his talents and maybe push, albeit a small push, on a door that is currently closed. Everybody can see his high school tape but that's two years ago.

Not to mention it would give Kiel the extra reps plus see if any schools come up with a devastating QB injury or something.

Just so many little things that would work better for Kiel if he transfers AFTER spring ball but I guess he was up front and honest to BK so can't fault him on that.

Maybe, but if he is transferring I don't see BK giving him any of the precious reps he needs to get Golson, Hendrix, Rees, Zaire ready to play. If he's not going to get any reps it would be a waste of time and he'd be risking injury for nothing.

 

[Grahambo]

Maybe, but if he is transferring I don't see BK giving him any of the precious reps he needs to get Golson, Hendrix, Rees, Zaire ready to play. If he's not going to get any reps it would be a waste of time and he'd be risking injury for nothing.

I'm just thinking if I was Kiel that I would not have told BK until after Spring Ball.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm just thinking if I was Kiel that I would not have told BK until after Spring Ball.

Couldn't agree more with this. I really don't see why he's in such a rush to get out, unless he is just really unhappy.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I wouldnt give kiel a single snap either. I'm sure kiel is a great guy, but why waste time teaching him?

You have to focus on the actual players.

Btw. My two cents. Kiel should just go back to IU makes so much sense imo.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hiring and firing should happen when it is decided. Quitting to. Rarely should that process be protracted.

Another question. Is the playbook going to change this year? I would expect that we could see fairly substantial changes. Wouldn't those changes start to be installed this spring?

 

[Grahambo]

Hiring and firing should happen when it is decided. Rarely should that process be protracted.

Another question. Is the playbook going to change this year? I would expect that we could see fairly substantial changes. Wouldn't those changes start to be installed this spring?

I believe BK is adding a bit more to the offensive gameplan now that EG has grown up especially after the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I believe BK is adding a bit more to the offensive gameplan now that EG has grown up especially after the 2nd half of the season.

If that is true, I wouldn't want anyone not in it for the long haul to have that information; would you?

 

[Grahambo]

If that is true, I wouldn't want anyone not in it for the long haul to have that information; would you?

I agree and BK is doing the right thing but I am talking about if I was Kiel what I would have done differently and that's not saying anything at all to keep fresh, get reps, and maybe show BK more then he thought.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I agree and BK is doing the right thing but I am talking about if I was Kiel what I would have done differently and that's not saying anything at all to keep fresh, get reps, and maybe show BK more then he thought.

I agree, because afterall my much younger fellow monkey club member, brilliant minds think alike.



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[EddytoNow]

When Kiel committed to the Irish we were coming off a season where the quarterback TR was turnover prone and EG wasn't playing at all. It had to look like a great opportunity to be a three-year and possibly a four-year starter at Notre Dame. Now we are coming off of a 12-1 season with a starting quarterback returning for what looks like three more years. The opportunity to be a three or four-year starter at Notre Dame is less likely at this point.

If Kiel envisions himself as an NFL quarterback someday, the opportunity to prove himself is probably better elsewhere. He could be a career back-up at Notre Dame waiting for an injury or poor play to give him an opportunity to see the field. In the MAC or elsewhere he might have a better opportunity to prove himself right away, albeit after sitting out a season following his transfer.

It's his future and his choice. However, many an NFL quarterback got their opportunity after the starter was ineffective or injured. If he does make it to the NFL he may have to sit for three or four years behind a starter before getting his opportunity. The future will tell whether or not he made the right choice.

 

[Grahambo]

I agree, because afterall my much younger fellow monkey club member, brilliant minds think alike.



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