Medieval Knight Found in Scotland

[Grahambo]

For some of you history buffs, such as myself, this is pretty cool and exciting:

Knight's grave found under car park - Yahoo! News UK

"The grave of a medieval knight and the foundations of a monastery built by a former king of Scotland have been found under an old city car park.

Archaeologists made the discoveries, with dozens of other artefacts, during the excavation of a building site in Edinburgh's Old Town.

Three buildings of historical significance were previously located in the area, the 18th-century Old High School, the 16th-century Royal High School and the 13th-century Blackfriars Monastery.

The latter was founded in 1230 by King Alexander II of Scotland but destroyed during the Protestant Reformation in 1558 and the exact location of the monastery was unknown before this archaeological dig.

Also unearthed was a slab of sandstone, decorated with carvings of the Calvary cross and an ornate sword which signalled that it was the grave of a knight or other nobleman."

 

[ChiRish]

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[ChiRish]

Seriously though, awesome. I love history.

 

[BGIF]

This is the year for exalted warriors to be found in congested areas. A month or so ago they found Richard III under a parking lot in Leicester.





Hmmm, anybody check the White Lot for Gunner?

 

[dshans]

This is the year for exalted warriors to be found in congested areas. A month or so ago they found Richard III under a parking lot in Leicester.


Hmmm, anybody check the White Lot for Gunner?

Wouldn't he be set afloat, and then afire, on a ship on St. Mary's Lake?

 

[Cackalacky]

That is pretty cool. I work with an archaeologist and he was talking to me about this. His specialty is Native Americans and Colonial era stuff here in Charleston.

On a local note, we are working on a project where our local civic center/theatre downtown (built in the 1960s) is being torn down and they found multiple bodies in rows without headstones or coffins and about 6 feet below the existing concrete foundation. They are from round the 1720s and it appears this was a cemetery at one point that no one knew about. Unfortunately, there is not much left to analyze. It appears they were colonials buried and forgot and the city built on top of them. Probably a frontier family plot based on the time and location.

I love history too..... that would be so cool to find that knight.

 

[dublinirish]

This is the year for exalted warriors to be found in congested areas. A month or so ago they found Richard III under a parking lot in Leicester.





Hmmm, anybody check the White Lot for Gunner?

The Richard 3 documentary was amazing, it was truly fascinating.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Especially the number of wounds he took at the time of his death, including the mortal wound which must have been an attempt at decapitation, which removed the rear lower, (posterior dorsal) portion of his skull.

I grew to like Richard at the exhumation of his body. His frailty and fierce wounds suffered spoke to me of a gallantry and toughness not often seen. And it looked as though there were a lot of post-mortem wounds associated with strapping him on the back of his horse, and parading him, then taking swipes at his corpse, to mock him in death. About par for the English.

I once toured the Ursuline Convent Museum in Quebec, Canada, and after an amazing tour by a little old retired nun, who demonstrated how 17th and 18th century Tomahawks (battle-axes) and lances were used. When she finished her enthusiastic reenactments, she took us around the corner to a glass case, mounted in the wall. In it was a human skull, with more than a bit of flesh attached. There was a large round gaping hole in the left parietal bone, just above the temporal region. She went on to explain how this was the head of General Montcalm, commander of the French forces in the Battle of Quebec, and how when he died he was spirited away, so the British could not cut off his head and display it on a pike at the gates of the city as was their custom.

 

[ACamp1900]

Especially the number of wounds he took at the time of his death, including the mortal wound which must have been an attempt at decapitation, which removed the rear lower, (posterior dorsal) portion of his skull.

I grew to like Richard at the exhumation of his body. His frailty and fierce wounds suffered spoke to me of a gallantry and toughness not often seen. And it looked as though there were a lot of post-mortem wounds associated with strapping him on the back of his horse, and parading him, then taking swipes at his corpse, to mock him in death. About par for the English.

Damned Tudors.....

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Damned Tudors.....

Exactly, Elizabeth's ggrandfathers friends ride into battle with Richard, then at the right moment turn on him. What a great Tutor victory. Thing is, this still provided little if any separation from the Yorks, or the Hanoverians, etc., etc. From Richard the first cutting off 2,100 Saracens heads there was no English nobility that was. And that includes vacation time. Cromwell may have been the worst!

 

[ACamp1900]

Exactly, Elizabeth's ggrandfathers friends ride into battle with Richard, then at the right moment turn on him. What a great Tutor victory. Thing is, this still provided little if any separation from the Yorks, or the Hanoverians, etc., etc. From Richard the first cutting off 2,100 Saracens heads there was no English nobility that was. And that includes vacation time. Cromwell may have been the worst!

And this all happened around on after the 'end' of the Dark Ages in England.........

 

[Bogtrotter07]

And this all happened around on after the 'end' of the Dark Ages in England.........

Yeah, but that's okay! Kings were enlightened or anointed by God! They were God's own messengers on earth, ask them.

I believe the Dark Ages ended considerably before the Tudors; it was the Middle Ages that were ending in the Age of Enlightenment or the Age of Discovery, the Renaissance for short, the watershed being around 1500, give or take. My take on that was that it was the period where the feudal system declined and there was a blossoming of the bourgeois. So people died brutal, horrible deaths through war (religious) and disease, with more money in their pockets. Seriously I think the plagues and famines of the 14th and 15th century mark the end of feudal society and the Middle Ages. The trade and growing working poor classes of the sixteenth and seventieth century indicate the Age of Enlightenment.

 

[ACamp1900]

I typed 'Dark Ages'??? oh well... depending on who you read they are the same thing anyway.

I do find it fascinating how many key, and not so key figures are remembered from that era... Roses on until the end of the reign of E-I... people that simply were common at court have lengthy biographies written about them... You don't see that in most other royal histories.

 

[Cackalacky]

Ah Cromwell, the pure English renaissance man....

 

[scUM Hater]

 

[dublinirish]

His frailty and fierce wounds suffered spoke to me of a gallantry and toughness not often seen.

Richard 3 was a beast. Guy was like 5'2 and had a hump back and a crocked spine but it didnt stop him leading a cavalry charge straight at the enemy and then going down swinging.

Sad part of his legacy was how the Tudors distorted the truth about his life..I guess its how they say, History is written by the Victors.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Richard 3 was a beast. Guy was like 5'2 and had a hump back and a crocked spine but it didnt stop him leading a cavalry charge straight at the enemy and then going down swinging.

Sad part of his legacy was how the Tudors distorted the truth about his life..I guess its how they say, History is written by the Victors.

Exactly! He is one English I would have loved. Interestingly enough, under his reign there aren't a whole lot of atrocities happening in Ireland. It is one of a couple of periods in the nine hundred years from the Plantagenet Normand's to the Iron Lady that there was relative peace and prosperity in the Provence's.

And speaking of the Tudors, their associates, friends, and family, were trators to the king, and sold Richard out like the b1tches they were, and that was the begining of the revisionist historians smear campaign. I hope it is true that the Tudor downfall was do to syphalis. People deny it, but it is the only medical solution that fits. (People forget that it didn't have iminent fatality then.)

Ah Cromwell, the pure English renaissance man....

Nice use of quotes! Oliver was responsible, by all estimates and accounts, for the deaths of approximately one-third of the population of Ireland. Mostly women and children. While the men were away soldiering, he would occupy a town with his army and drive all those residents that were left behind, the old, the infirm, women and children out into the countryside, and let them freeze to death from exposure, overnight. His apologists state that his writings echoed the argument that the ends justified the means, and his Presbyterian ideals were represented two hundred years later by our founding fathers; I think they were represented much better nearly four centuries later by the Nazi's! After all, the reason he murdered the peasantry of Ireland, other than to empty the island for his own use, was to get revenge against the peasant army that destroyed his son-in-laws first army of conquest, considered one of the finest military organizations in the world.

 

[Cackalacky]

Nice use of quotes! Oliver was responsible, by all estimates and accounts, for the deaths of approximately one-third of the population of Ireland. Mostly women and children. While the men were away soldiering, he would occupy a town with his army and drive all those residents that were left behind, the old, the infirm, women and children out into the countryside, and let them freeze to death from exposure, overnight. His apologists state that his writings echoed the argument that the ends justified the means, and his Presbyterian ideals were represented two hundred years later by our founding fathers; I think they were represented much better nearly four centuries later by the Nazi's! After all, the reason he murdered the peasantry of Ireland, other than to empty the island for his own use, was to get revenge against the peasant army that destroyed his son-in-laws first army of conquest, considered one of the finest military organizations in the world.

I read that this is common as a curse? "Mallacht Chromail"....

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I read that this is common as a curse? "Mallacht Chromail"....

"mallacht Chromail ort", adding "upon you" (ort.) But Dublin or one of the Saoránaigh na hÉireann (Citizens of Ireland) would be best to answer your question and give you all the information.


"I am persuaded that this is a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches, who have imbued their hands in so much innocent blood and that it will tend to prevent the effusion of blood for the future, which are satisfactory grounds for such actions, which otherwise cannot but work remorse and regret."

Oliver Cromwell

In addition to the mass murders, which he reported to London, Parliament, and then later denied, he was responsible for the deportation of many thousands, including over 50,000 men to use as slaves in Barbados, Bermuda, and other Caribbean locations. This was the beginning of an Irish slave trade which at the time rivaled the African slave trade. The Irish slave trade continued in America until at least 1714, with Irish auctioned off in the northern colonies chained together with Africans, at the trading blocks. During the same period, Irish land ownership plummeted from over 60% to under 8%. So this ties back to Acamps facetious remarks about the age of enlightenment. Finally, the maroons, oft reported and quoted by everyone from NDDomer, to Bugs Bunny, were warrior tribes, of the original Irish slaves, with African slaves, and indigenous Indian peoples, who were some of the fiercest warriors of their day.

 

[dublinirish]

ive actually read about this before too but ive never heard it used in any form im afraid either in Bearla or Gaeilge. It would be akin to Jewish people saying May the Curse of Hitler be on you i guess! :/

 

[Cackalacky]

ive actually read about this before too but ive never heard it used in any form im afraid either in Bearla or Gaeilge. It would be akin to Jewish people saying May the Curse of Hitler be on you i guess! :/

That is as I understand its meaning, though it is not common these days, maybe? Historically.... possibly. Anyway Cromwell....