**Notre Dame Combine Invitees: Results & Analysis**

[We_Are_ND]

^Post pics of your manly body or you're lying...

 

[dublinirish]

^Post pics of your manly body or you're lying...

no homo of course

 

[dyrtdogg]

How have we gone this far and long without one single mbechka reference???

Thank you, I've trying to remember his name.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

^Post pics of your manly body or you're lying...[/QUOTE

One post and a bear (google it in reference to powerlifting/bodybuilding) comes out of the woods...holy smoke

 

[Old Man Mike]

My brother is an olympic lifting elite coach in Houston, and will administrate the world competition there in 2015 for our olympic committee. I mention this to establish bona fides. He also uses variations of olympic lifting training [somewhat like what I believe FDNY refers to above] to develop college athletes, and, for example has three scholarship guys on the TA&M team among other venues.

He knows personally or knows of almost everyone in the college sports strength community. He says that there are embarrassingly few S&C coaches who have shaken off the mediaeval concepts of the past [and a lot of emphasis on power-lifting style training, and other not-on-your-feet action], and that therefore there are few that accomplish much of anything regarding increase of speed or explosiveness above the recruits' natural gifts. So, claims that there are all these potential-maximizing S&C programs out there is speculative BS.

He knows of Longo, but because Longo holds his stuff somewhat closer to the vest than most, cannot evaluate his total workout program, which is what he would need to do to give his approval or not. But this at a minimum says that Longo, because he differs from the mediaeval style, is surely no worse than those practitioners and likely more futuristic and better.

My opinion of the occasional speed difference between ND and say the Oregons or FSUs or Oklahomas of the world is that they are "drafting" that exceptional speed in the first place, and most of it couldn't get into ND anyway. Assuming that the better "star-value" of our classes vs theirs is also a measure of the comparative track speed of the classes is a rather bizarre theory.

 

[IrishinTN]

My brother is an olympic lifting elite coach in Houston, and will administrate the world competition there in 2015 for our olympic committee. I mention this to establish bona fides. He also uses variations of olympic lifting training [somewhat like what I believe FDNY refers to above] to develop college athletes, and, for example has three scholarship guys on the TA&M team among other venues.

Pictures or it didn't happen!

 

[Old Man Mike]

If you want to research my brother, go to his Team Houston weight-lifting site. He is one of the few USA-born-and-bred weight-training geniuses and the US Olympic committee knows it. He's taken lifters all over the world under olympic auspices [Qatar, Columbia, Mexico, Ukraine, Russia to name a few off the top of my head].

I saw the italics by the way, but IE has whackos on the board who don't believe anything.

 

[irishpat183]

My brother is an olympic lifting elite coach in Houston, and will administrate the world competition there in 2015 for our olympic committee. I mention this to establish bona fides. He also uses variations of olympic lifting training [somewhat like what I believe FDNY refers to above] to develop college athletes, and, for example has three scholarship guys on the TA&M team among other venues.

He knows personally or knows of almost everyone in the college sports strength community. He says that there are embarrassingly few S&C coaches who have shaken off the mediaeval concepts of the past [and a lot of emphasis on power-lifting style training, and other not-on-your-feet action], and that therefore there are few that accomplish much of anything regarding increase of speed or explosiveness above the recruits' natural gifts. So, claims that there are all these potential-maximizing S&C programs out there is speculative BS.

He knows of Longo, but because Longo holds his stuff somewhat closer to the vest than most, cannot evaluate his total workout program, which is what he would need to do to give his approval or not. But this at a minimum says that Longo, because he differs from the mediaeval style, is surely no worse than those practitioners and likely more futuristic and better.

My opinion of the occasional speed difference between ND and say the Oregons or FSUs or Oklahomas of the world is that they are "drafting" that exceptional speed in the first place, and most of it couldn't get into ND anyway. Assuming that the better "star-value" of our classes vs theirs is also a measure of the comparative track speed of the classes is a rather bizarre theory.

What's his name? Tell him Irishpat will take him out for a beer if he gets me back into shape! LOL

 

[PANDFAN]

What's his name? Tell him Irishpat will take him out for a beer if he gets me back into shape! LOL

young man mike....duh

 

[Old Man Mike]

.... my brother is an EXCESSIVELY serious man when it comes to weight training.

 

[rtrn2glory]

off topic a bit, but it's arguable that tuitt will run a better 40 than te'o and motta whenever he chooses to enter the league.

 

[irishpat183]

off topic a bit, but it's arguable that tuitt will run a better 40 than te'o and motta whenever he chooses to enter the league.

That's not saying much.....I bet half the guys on this board can as well.....LOL


Seriously, I think you're right.

 

[Zbi]

The more I see these numbers from ND's players... the more I appreciate Brian Kelly.

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone have insider? Bill Polian I trust more than any other analyst out there because of his long career as a GM. Really interested to hear what he says.

2013 NFL combine - Bill Polian's standout prospects, top takeaways from Indy - ESPN

EDIT: Much thanks to a1ND... here's the cliffnotes. Polian says what all rational people have been saying on this board. First, he says talking to actual NFL people that no one has "soured" on him significantly. Second, that his testing (except for the 40) actually solidified what people thought about him. Third, the idea that a test (or the combine in general) has a huge weight is ridiculous and anyone in the industry knows that's BS... it's just a very small piece of a big puzzle.

And finally, he says that the consensus is that he's a 25-32 range pick... with some thinking there's a very small chance he might slip to the very top of the second round if he has a poor pro-day.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Anyone have insider? Bill Polian I trust more than any other analyst out there because of his long career as a GM. Really interested to hear what he says.

2013 NFL combine - Bill Polian's standout prospects, top takeaways from Indy - ESPN

Standouts: Dion Jordan, Dee Milliner, Ezekiel Ansah, Corey Lemonier & Tyler Eifert

Said Eifert performed as advertised, won't ever be a devastating blocker, is super athletic and is a first round target.

Talks about Te'o
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Despite all of the commentary coming from those outside the league following Manti Te'o's combine performance, among those inside the game that I've spoken to, no one has soured on him significantly.

-Then talks about all the pressure that has been on him since the hoax came out. He talks about how coaches an GMs preach to keep distraction out. Basically supporting Te'o in all the crap and pressure that has been put on him.

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Absent the 40 time, Te'o's tests actually solidified what most thought about him. He is instinctive, tough, a good tackler and more quick than fast.

-Everyone is looking forward to his pro day 40 on March 20th.

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The fluctuations in his draft stock I've been hearing about don't make much sense to me.

-His feeling along with others in the league he has spoken to is that Te'o will be drafted in the lower quarter of round 1 and top of round 2 at worse. anything beyond that would be great value.



He goes on to talk about how the trend in college, because of spread offenses, has caused for the need of more athletic OT. These athletic OT's were on display at this years combine. To him Eric Fisher (who I think should go ahead of Luke Joeckel) stood out.


Next he talks about how everyone in the league is trying to figure out how to stop the zone read that CK& & RG III brought to prominence.


His final thought is how valuable the combine is on a medical stand point.

The Star Lotulelei issue (he did not participate due to the discovery of a heart condition) reinforced to me the value of the combine absent all the hoopla. Every year in my memory, the doctors on site have uncovered -- through their diligence and dedication -- a player or players who have serious, possibly career-ending or even life-threatening conditions that were previously undiagnosed.

 

[arrowryan]

A pretty good post-combine mock draft done by Pat Kirwin.

Eifert going 19th to the Giants. Manti not going in the first..

Mock draft: After solid combine, Lane Johnson a safe pick for Chiefs - CBSSports.com

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Remember yesterday's Longo debate? Turns out Jake was right. 'Bama's S&C coach is clearly superior to Longo. Just not for the reasons he thought.

 

[arrowryan]

Remember yesterday's Longo debate? Turns out Jake was right. 'Bama's S&C coach is clearly superior to Longo. Just not for the reasons he thought.

I would love to lift with that guy. He has so much enthusiasm. Lol

 

[PraetorianND]

I would love to lift with that guy. He has so much enthusiasm. Lol

Dude is PUMPED!

 

[IrishLax]

A pretty good post-combine mock draft done by Pat Kirwin.

Eifert going 19th to the Giants. Manti not going in the first..

Mock draft: After solid combine, Lane Johnson a safe pick for Chiefs - CBSSports.com

So the logic behind Te'o dropping is his slow 40... but Minter runs the same time and sneaks into first round?

 

[arrowryan]

So the logic behind Te'o dropping is his slow 40... but Minter runs the same time and sneaks into first round?

I don't know. Manti will have to prove himself at the pro day I guess

 

[Grahambo]

Standouts: Dion Jordan, Dee Milliner, Ezekiel Ansah, Corey Lemonier & Tyler Eifert

Said Eifert performed as advertised, won't ever be a devastating blocker, is super athletic and is a first round target.

Talks about Te'o
-

-Then talks about all the pressure that has been on him since the hoax came out. He talks about how coaches an GMs preach to keep distraction out. Basically supporting Te'o in all the crap and pressure that has been put on him.

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-Everyone is looking forward to his pro day 40 on March 20th.

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-His feeling along with others in the league he has spoken to is that Te'o will be drafted in the lower quarter of round 1 and top of round 2 at worse. anything beyond that would be great value.



He goes on to talk about how the trend in college, because of spread offenses, has caused for the need of more athletic OT. These athletic OT's were on display at this years combine. To him Eric Fisher (who I think should go ahead of Luke Joeckel) stood out.


Next he talks about how everyone in the league is trying to figure out how to stop the zone read that CK& & RG III brought to prominence.


His final thought is how valuable the combine is on a medical stand point.

Crazy to think what a real GM is saying but people ignore that and will listen to John Clayton.

 

[Grahambo]

So the logic behind Te'o dropping is his slow 40... but Minter runs the same time and sneaks into first round?

Bill Polian > Pat Kirwin

 

[arrowryan]

Although, I have no idea how he runs a 4.8...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Crazy to think what a real GM is saying but people ignore that and will listen to John Clayton.

Exactly

 

[irishpat183]

Crazy to think what a real GM is saying but people ignore that and will listen to John Clayton.

Bill Polian is ONE GM.....And he's not even a GM anymore. He's another John Clayton.


And John Clayton is pretty good. Not a guy with any biases and just reports what he hears. I got no beef with him.

 

[irishpat183]

I'll just wait until after Pro day....Hopefully Manti runs a better time and shuts up the haters.


Regardless of what anyone in here thinks, the 40 counts and it is significant in the draft process. It may not be an indicator of how great of a pro a guy is, but it matters now.

 

[Grahambo]

Bill Polian is ONE GM.....And he's not even a GM anymore. He's another John Clayton.


And John Clayton is pretty good. Not a guy with any biases and just reports what he hears. I got no beef with him.

Sorry but I'll trust a guy who was a GM for 25+ years over a sports writer. Seems to be we will just agree to disagree.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

And John Clayton is pretty good. Not a guy with any biases and just reports what he hears. I got no beef with him.

That sums up ESPN pretty well, no? Unbiased straight reporting.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Why would anyone care about clayton? The only time you'll catch me watching espn is if there's a game on.

I refuse to listen to these egocentric analysts banter over stupid stuff. I don't have the time or patience to listen/read what guys like clayton have to say.