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JadeBrecks

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We currently have 3/4" of ice on the ground. It is snowing here sleeting in surrounding areas and we have thunder and lighting. Can't say I have seen that before. Anybody else having strangle or extreme weather in your area or ever been in something weirder?
 

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We currently have 3/4" of ice on the ground. It is snowing here sleeting in surrounding areas and we have thunder and lighting. Can't say I have seen that before. Anybody else having strangle or extreme weather in your area or ever been in something weirder?

Yeah it's about 60 degrees and sunny here brrrrrrrrrrrrr! :)
 
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Bizarre stuff, but yes we have experienced wierd stuff here in NE. In1997 we had an ice storm that was described as destruction in slow motion. We had such and ice storm for such a period of time that trees continued to bear the additional weight of the ice coating and more and more of them gave out over a period of time. Some were without power for 2 weeks as crews needed to cut trees to get down roads. There were periods of thunder and lighting during that as well. Weird S*it. Good luck w this one.
 

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Overnight we actually had some significiant snowfall 3-6 inches depending on were you are at. So it finally seems like winer as usually.

Normally I have class and work but I only have work on Fridays. I took the train (plus a short bus ride) to work today. Best decision I could have made. I got to work in about the same time as would have if I drove. While on the train I watch the suckers in their cars dealing with heavy traffic because of the snow.

It has mostly been in the 30s all winter here which is very warm. Usually January and February average in the 20s or teens.

We had a day in January were it was 60 degrees and we had a classic spring time style thunder strom even though it was the middle of winter.

It has been weird season of weather all across the United States for sure. Don't forget we had big broughts throughout most of the country as well this summer.

Climate Change anyone?
 

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funny hurricane story (can there be?)...frind of mine got divorced...his wife's name was/is Gloria....his first trip alone with his kids without the wife he decides to go to carolina outerbanks for a week of vacation...and hurricane Gloria devastates the whole area the day after he got there.
karma?
 

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Yeah man, it got down into the high 40s this week. Weird for this time of year ;)

Now we are back to mid 70s so life is good.
 

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I decided to watch the game instead of pay attention to the wife. When I came upstairs I found her covered in ice with fireballs shooting from her eyes, and bolts of lightning from her arse.
 

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I know that there are a bunch of posters on IE who deny the reality of Global Climate Change, even vehemently, so I won't spend much time on this.

Weather is, scientifically, what we call a "chaotic system". That term in math circles means a system with too many variables and interacting cycles [all with their own discrete but interlocking effects] to characterize, other than statistically. The particular form that the statistical resultant takes is a "map" with a focus point [called the strange attractor {no kidding}] from which the chaotic system diverges across time but returns to. {Imagine yourself scribbling on a piece of paper in all directions, but always off one point --- making a multi-legged asterisk}. The lines represent the unpredictable but limited diversions of the system.

The Lengths of those lines are restricted by the amount of energy in the system. Less energy, less radical diversion from the Attractor. More energy means more diverting unpredictabilities from the Attractor. We have been pumping more energy into our chaotic system, and we are getting more extreme and more odd diversions. It is only because MOST of what we get is within our "normal" past experience, that we deny that anything different is going on. BUT like it or not, we are "scribbling on our paper" making longer and more violent lines from our focal point.

The unfortunate consequences of this variability [especially in shocks to crops and to water supplies] are bad enough that we really should be dropping the politics on this and doing something. And this is doubly true because there is a scientific wildcard in here that we're gambling with. Any strange attractor can be stressed only so much before it itself "moves". As energy increasingly stresses the holding point of the chaotic system, all chaotic systems will ultimately break violently and reform around a different attraction point reflecting the increased energy load. This shift we really don't want to mess with --- proverbially poking the sleeping tiger.

I'll stop there. I know that this irritates many who insist on this not being true despite what the entirety of NOAA and the vast majority of world atmospheric scientists say. The whole thing irritates me for different reasons.
 

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i always remember this article when this topic of climate change comes up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/opinion/09friedman.html?_r=2&

Going Cheney on Climate By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
In 2006, Ron Suskind published “The One Percent Doctrine,” a book about the U.S. war on terrorists after 9/11. The title was drawn from an assessment by then-Vice President Dick Cheney, who, in the face of concerns that a Pakistani scientist was offering nuclear-weapons expertise to Al Qaeda, reportedly declared: “If there’s a 1% chance that Pakistani scientists are helping Al Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response.” Cheney contended that the U.S. had to confront a very new type of threat: a “low-probability, high-impact event.”

Soon after Suskind’s book came out, the legal scholar Cass Sunstein, who then was at the University of Chicago, pointed out that Mr. Cheney seemed to be endorsing the same “precautionary principle” that also animated environmentalists. Sunstein wrote in his blog: “According to the Precautionary Principle, it is appropriate to respond aggressively to low-probability, high-impact events — such as climate change. Indeed, another vice president — Al Gore — can be understood to be arguing for a precautionary principle for climate change (though he believes that the chance of disaster is well over 1 percent).”

Of course, Mr. Cheney would never accept that analogy. Indeed, many of the same people who defend Mr. Cheney’s One Percent Doctrine on nukes tell us not to worry at all about catastrophic global warming, where the odds are, in fact, a lot higher than 1 percent, if we stick to business as usual. That is unfortunate, because Cheney’s instinct is precisely the right framework with which to think about the climate issue — and this whole “climategate” controversy as well.

“Climategate” was triggered on Nov. 17 when an unidentified person hacked into the e-mails and data files of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit, one of the leading climate science centers in the world — and then posted them on the Internet. In a few instances, they revealed some leading climatologists seemingly massaging data to show more global warming and excluding contradictory research.

Frankly, I found it very disappointing to read a leading climate scientist writing that he used a “trick” to “hide” a putative decline in temperatures or was keeping contradictory research from getting a proper hearing. Yes, the climate-denier community, funded by big oil, has published all sorts of bogus science for years — and the world never made a fuss. That, though, is no excuse for serious climatologists not adhering to the highest scientific standards at all times.

That said, be serious: The evidence that our planet, since the Industrial Revolution, has been on a broad warming trend outside the normal variation patterns — with periodic micro-cooling phases — has been documented by a variety of independent research centers.

As this paper just reported: “Despite recent fluctuations in global temperature year to year, which fueled claims of global cooling, a sustained global warming trend shows no signs of ending, according to new analysis by the World Meteorological Organization made public on Tuesday. The decade of the 2000s is very likely the warmest decade in the modern record.”

This is not complicated. We know that our planet is enveloped in a blanket of greenhouse gases that keep the Earth at a comfortable temperature. As we pump more carbon-dioxide and other greenhouse gases into that blanket from cars, buildings, agriculture, forests and industry, more heat gets trapped.

What we don’t know, because the climate system is so complex, is what other factors might over time compensate for that man-driven warming, or how rapidly temperatures might rise, melt more ice and raise sea levels. It’s all a game of odds. We’ve never been here before. We just know two things: one, the CO2 we put into the atmosphere stays there for many years, so it is “irreversible” in real-time (barring some feat of geo-engineering); and two, that CO2 buildup has the potential to unleash “catastrophic” warming.

When I see a problem that has even a 1 percent probability of occurring and is “irreversible” and potentially “catastrophic,” I buy insurance. That is what taking climate change seriously is all about.

If we prepare for climate change by building a clean-power economy, but climate change turns out to be a hoax, what would be the result? Well, during a transition period, we would have higher energy prices. But gradually we would be driving battery-powered electric cars and powering more and more of our homes and factories with wind, solar, nuclear and second-generation biofuels. We would be much less dependent on oil dictators who have drawn a bull’s-eye on our backs; our trade deficit would improve; the dollar would strengthen; and the air we breathe would be cleaner. In short, as a country, we would be stronger, more innovative and more energy independent.

But if we don’t prepare, and climate change turns out to be real, life on this planet could become a living hell. And that’s why I’m for doing the Cheney-thing on climate — preparing for 1 percent.
 
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