My Top 20 Quarterbacks heading into the 2013 season

[IrishJayhawk]

No, he threw an interception in the 4th quarter. He recovered from that by throwing a touchdown to Riddick then running it in for the 2 point conversion. The kicker missed the FG in the 2nd OT

Yep. I looked it up just now. My bad.

He threw a pick, the defense forced a 3-and-out, and then he came back with the Riddick play.

 

[GBdomer]

How about 5 interceptions in 5 games to Golson's 6 all year?

How about never getting benched to being benched 4 times?

 

[arrowryan]

I'm not really trying to defend Golson at this point, I expect him to prove all of you wrong. The jumping on the bandwagon of Gardner after just 4 games is what bothers me.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

How about 5 interceptions in 5 games to Golson's 6 all year?

I credit Golson with being a good care taker.

 

[arrowryan]

How about never getting benched to being benched 4 times?

That's a coached decision. Golson can't control that

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

How about never getting benched to being benched 4 times?

Going that route? Ok technically benched at QB for the first 8 games...that makes Gardner elite?

 

[arrowryan]

Going that route? Ok technically benched at QB for the first 8 games...that makes Gardner elite?

x1000000

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

I'm not really trying to defend Golson at this point, I expect him to prove all of you wrong. The jumping on the bandwagon of Gardner after just 4 games is what bothers me.

I agree. I know Golson will prove folks wrong...my issue is with putting Gardner ahead of guys who proved it for an entire season on big stages.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'm not really trying to defend Golson at this point, I expect him to prove all of you wrong. The jumping on the bandwagon of Gardner after just 4 games is what bothers me.

Here's what I think...if Golson played for Florida State and had the year he had, we would mercilessly mock their message board for claiming he's a top 15 guy.

That doesn't mean he won't be. If he is, and Kelly has a track record of developing guys, I'll be more than happy to offer a mea culpa.

 

[woolybug25]

Let's see...Devin Gardner was only able to beat one team with a winning record. Everett Golson led his team to an undefeated regular season and the national championship game. We could start there...

I like Golson as much as the next guy, but get real. Golson didn't "lead" our team to anything. Manti Teo led us to an undefeated season and NCG appearance. Golson played well and had a good first season, but he spent the first half of the season getting bailed out by Touchdown Tommy.

So people can bag on Gardner for sitting behind one of the best scUM QB's of recent history, but Golson sat behind Touchdown Tommy for crying out loud.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

I like Golson as much as the next guy, but get real. Golson didn't "lead" our team to anything. Manti Teo led us to an undefeated season and NCG appearance. Golson played well and had a good first season, but he spent the first half of the season getting bailed out by Touchdown Tommy.

So people can bag on Gardner for sitting behind one of the best scUM QB's of recent history, but Golson sat behind Touchdown Tommy for crying out loud.

Holy Sh*t, Wooly you opened my eyes...our QB didn't lead our offense. You're right. He didn't lead anything. He just let the defense play the games. My bad, sorry for assuming our QB led our team. Silly mistake!

I remember how Manti and the Defense showed up to beat Pitt and keep us undefeated...

 

[Rocket89]

Even Devin Gardner thinks some of you are easily impressed!

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Golson actually won the starting job for his team...Gardner couldn't even beat a runningback out for the QB job at Michigan. Denard is one of the worst passers in the game, yet no one was good enough to beat him our of the QB spot so they continued to run a glorified wildcat all year.
Had a real QB showed up, they would have played Denard at another position and allowed their offense to be two dimensional.

Oh and yes, I watched Gardner play. I saw him tear it up vs. OSU! ...wait....he was pathetic in that game? Oh yeah, that's right.

 

[woolybug25]

Holy Sh*t, Wooly you opened my eyes...our QB didn't lead our offense. You're right. He didn't lead anything. He just let the defense play the games. My bad, sorry for assuming our QB led our team. Silly mistake!

I remember how Manti and the Defense showed up to beat Pitt and keep us undefeated...

You're right... I almost forgot how much Golson tore up Michigan while our defense was it's usual sieve of touchdowns. Everett really made those BYU cougars prrr too. I'm sure that when BK had to pull Golson in that Pitt game you mentioned, it was the defenses fault, right?


I'm sure the 9 appearances by our backup QB had nothing to do with Everett though. All of the top 20 QB's have to get bailed out several times a season, right?


Thanks for the reality check.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

You're right... I almost forgot how much Golson tore up Michigan while our defense was it's usual sieve of touchdowns. Everett really made those BYU cougars prrr too.


I'm sure the 9 appearances by our backup QB had nothing to do with Everett though. All of the top 20 QB's have to get bailed out several times a season, right?


Thanks for the reality check.

"Golson didn't "lead" our team to anything. Manti Teo led us to an undefeated season and NCG appearance" Those are your words buddy. You said our defense led us to the undefeated season and Golson didnt lead us to anything, so I proved you wrong with a real scenario.

I'm not saying the defense wasn't part of it (because they absolutely dominated this season)...I'm saying that Everett is the QB, the QB leads our offense and you can't take away his leadership and ability to win games this year as a rs freshman.

You want to bash Golson's play vs BYU? That's like saying Derrick Rose isn't elite because he hasn't done **** lately. Don't rip a guy for being injured...pathetic

Do top 20 QBs not even win their position battle in camp? My concern is that some think Gardner deserves top 20 over Golson. I believe Golson will prove most of you wrong this year and end up as a top 10 QB, but that's not the point....to say Garder deserves top 20 is offensive. You're saying a backup QB/WR is better than our starting QB who took a team to a national title? PLEASE

 

[scUM Hater]

Don't forget who Gardner had in the backfield with him. That will take A LOT of pressure off. I believe his name is Denard.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Exactly bro. Some of you need to take off the blue and gold shades.

Dude, you are still comparing apples to tangeloes.

 

[Grahambo]

"Golson didn't "lead" our team to anything. Manti Teo led us to an undefeated season and NCG appearance" Those are your words buddy. You said our defense led us to the undefeated season and Golson didnt lead us to anything, so I proved you wrong with a real scenario.

I'm not saying the defense wasn't part of it (because they absolutely dominated this season)...I'm saying that Everett is the QB, the QB leads our offense and you can't take away his leadership and ability to win games this year as a rs freshman.

You want to bash Golson's play vs BYU? That's like saying Derrick Rose isn't elite because he hasn't done **** lately. Don't rip a guy for being injured...pathetic

Do top 20 QBs not even win their position battle in camp? My concern is that some think Gardner deserves top 20 over Golson. I believe Golson will prove most of you wrong this year and end up as a top 10 QB, but that's not the point....to say Garder deserves top 20 is offensive. You're saying a backup QB/WR is better than our starting QB who took a team to a national title? PLEASE

Trent Dilfer was the starting QB on a Super Bowl winning team and he was never a Top 20 QB.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Trent Dilfer was the starting QB on a Super Bowl winning team and he was never a Top 20 QB.

Again...is the question: Should Golson be top 20? or is the question: Should Gardner be rated higher than Golson?

My concern here is that people think Gardner is better. I think THAT is the slap in the face.

 

[woolybug25]

"Golson didn't "lead" our team to anything. Manti Teo led us to an undefeated season and NCG appearance" Those are your words buddy. You said our defense led us to the undefeated season and Golson didnt lead us to anything, so I proved you wrong with a real scenario.

You "proved" me wrong by listing one below average game of our defense? You do realize that Golson got pulled from that game for missing reads and progressions right? That is the best example of how Golson was the leader of the team? I really don't understand how anybody could look back on our season and say that anyone but Teo lead this team.

I'm not saying the defense wasn't part of it (because they absolutely dominated this season)...I'm saying that Everett is the QB, the QB leads our offense and you can't take away his leadership and ability to win games this year as a rs freshman.

Then give me an example. The only game that you can come up with where Everett lead the team to victory was a game that he got pulled from for poor play. Simply being the QB on a winning team does not entitle a player to being the "leader".

You want to bash Golson's play vs BYU? That's like saying Derrick Rose isn't elite because he hasn't done **** lately. Don't rip a guy for being injured...pathetic

Relax a little bit, dude. I didn't "rip" anybody. The reality is that he didn't play in the game. I wasn't using it as an example of poor play, but rather that he wasn't the leader that day.

Do top 20 QBs not even win their position battle in camp? My concern is that some think Gardner deserves top 20 over Golson. I believe Golson will prove most of you wrong this year and end up as a top 10 QB, but that's not the point....to say Garder deserves top 20 is offensive. You're saying a backup QB/WR is better than our starting QB who took a team to a national title? PLEASE

He was the starter by the end of the season and took over for one of the best Michigan QB's in years. A QB that had his name in the hat as a pre-season Heisman favorite. Again, if you believe that Golson is the reason we went to the title game, then the real "slap in the face" is the disrespect that you are giving our defense. They bailed out poor to mediocre QB play often throughout the season. Golson had his moments, but you are grossly over exaggerating his accomplishments this season.

 

[scUM Hater]

I am a big fan of Golson, but is he the best QB on our team?

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

You "proved" me wrong by listing one below average game of our defense? You do realize that Golson got pulled from that game for missing reads and progressions right? That is the best example of how Golson was the leader of the team? I really don't understand how anybody could look back on our season and say that anyone but Teo lead this team.



Then give me an example. The only game that you can come up with where Everett lead the team to victory was a game that he got pulled from for poor play. Simply being the QB on a winning team does not entitle a player to being the "leader".



Relax a little bit, dude. I didn't "rip" anybody. The reality is that he didn't play in the game. I wasn't using it as an example of poor play, but rather that he wasn't the leader that day.



He was the starter by the end of the season and took over for one of the best Michigan QB's in years. A QB that had his name in the hat as a pre-season Heisman favorite. Again, if you believe that Golson is the reason we went to the title game, then the real "slap in the face" is the disrespect that you are giving our defense. They bailed out poor to mediocre QB play often throughout the season. Golson had his moments, but you are grossly over exaggerating his accomplishments this season.

LOL you think I'm saying Golson is the reason we were in the game? I'm saying he is the QB of a national contending team. That means he WON games...something your boy Gardner couldn't do. You see him vs. a real team, OSU?

Golson led the team to a win vs. BYU...he got pulled, then Kelly realized Golson was truly the best option when he saw it wasn't a cakewalk for the QBs out there, put him back in the game and he put the team on his back.
Turning to your teammates and coach, and saying "don't worry guys, I've got this" shows leadership. Telling the guys they can trust him to get a victory and coming through for them.

Was Te'o the leader of this team? YES. 100% yes. But was Te'o on the field on offense? NOPE. Who was the leader on offense? How can you say that Golson didn't lead.
There are many leaders on a team...If you want to name just ONE then we will look no further than coach Kelly. Reality is that Golson was the leader on offense.

Golson vs. Wake Forest was pulled....after he put together a masterful performance! Could he have padded his stats? Sure...did he or Kelly care about padding stats? NOPE this isn't a playstation game. Again vs. Navy & Miami...could have padded stats, but didn't.

So again, Gardner couldn't beat out Denard for a starting job, took over after an injury (which according to you makes Denard look less credible as one of the best in Michigan football), and beat one team with a winning record. He looked pathetic vs. OSU. Does that make him a top 20 QB?

I have a buddy who happens to be a Michigan fan. He knows a lot about Devin Gardner, and wants him back at WR next year. He never bought into the hype. I told a couple football coaches/players about this discussion and they laughed at me when I said Gardner was being considered in the same conversation as Golson. Literally just laughed like it was a joke.

I'm trying to understand how he is even in the same conversation. I baffles me to see some people literally think he's BETTER at this point lol!

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

I am a big fan of Golson, but is he the best QB on our team?

LOL

 

[IrishLion]

About Manziel? He won the Heisman for a reason. He had a extremely shaky WR/RB core. Yes Sumlin was calling the plays and he had great book end tackles. Now you can also say Bridgewater played in the Big East but Manziel played in the nations best conference against the best defenses. No team/ no player was playing better to end the year than Manziel and IMO will carry that momentum into next season. Its Oranges and apples both are studs and would take them on ND any day.

Disagree here; Evans, Nchukwu and Swope were studs at WR, and so were the RBs Malena and Michael (unless one of them got hurt and missed time that I didn't know about). Malena is a nice speed back, while Michael provided a power element even after a major knee injury two seasons ago.

Devin Gardner with a full offseason at QB scares me. He was pretty damn good last year when he switched from WR to QB in a week.

I thought Gardner had been a QB since he arrived at scUM, but got some PT at WR this season just to see the field any way possible. I thought he was always Robinson's backup.
I also think he was WAY better than Robinson. Michigan would have been damn good with Gardner in there the whole season.

 

[DillonHall]

I don't understand the anger over the debate. As far as I'm concerned, Gardner and Golson are just about equally unproven and their results thus far have been similarly mediocre. Both are far from elite. Saying one is better than the other can't be a 'slap in the face' because they're about equal.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't understand the anger over the debate. As far as I'm concerned, Gardner and Golson are just about equally unproven and their results thus far have been similarly mediocre. Both are far from elite. Saying one is better than the other can't be a 'slap in the face' because they're about equal.

For the record, I'm not angry at all.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't understand the anger over the debate. As far as I'm concerned, Gardner and Golson are just about equally unproven and their results thus far have been similarly mediocre. Both are far from elite. Saying one is better than the other can't be a 'slap in the face' because they're about equal.

YOUR COMMENTS ARE A SLAP IN THE FACE!!!!

 

[woolybug25]

LOL you think I'm saying Golson is the reason we were in the game? I'm saying he is the QB of a national contending team. That means he WON games...something your boy Gardner couldn't do. You see him vs. a real team, OSU?

Golson led the team to a win vs. BYU...he got pulled, then Kelly realized Golson was truly the best option when he saw it wasn't a cakewalk for the QBs out there, put him back in the game and he put the team on his back.
Turning to your teammates and coach, and saying "don't worry guys, I've got this" shows leadership. Telling the guys they can trust him to get a victory and coming through for them.

Was Te'o the leader of this team? YES. 100% yes. But was Te'o on the field on offense? NOPE. Who was the leader on offense? How can you say that Golson didn't lead.
There are many leaders on a team...If you want to name just ONE then we will look no further than coach Kelly. Reality is that Golson was the leader on offense.

Golson vs. Wake Forest was pulled....after he put together a masterful performance! Could he have padded his stats? Sure...did he or Kelly care about padding stats? NOPE this isn't a playstation game. Again vs. Navy & Miami...could have padded stats, but didn't.

So again, Gardner couldn't beat out Denard for a starting job, took over after an injury (which according to you makes Denard look less credible as one of the best in Michigan football), and beat one team with a winning record. He looked pathetic vs. OSU. Does that make him a top 20 QB?

I have a buddy who happens to be a Michigan fan. He knows a lot about Devin Gardner, and wants him back at WR next year. He never bought into the hype. I told a couple football coaches/players about this discussion and they laughed at me when I said Gardner was being considered in the same conversation as Golson. Literally just laughed like it was a joke.

I'm trying to understand how he is even in the same conversation. I baffles me to see some people literally think he's BETTER at this point lol!

The thing is that your story continues to change with every post you make. Your BYU comment above doesn't make a lick of sense (Golson didn't play against BYU), I have no idea what point you are trying to make anymore. So I am guessing the post above is the exact point where you went off of the ledge into insanity.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

I think with Neal in at slot and Daniels healthy for a full year with TJ jones and combo of Troy along with Koyack I think golson's numbers will improve and he will be about the 15th overall QB

 

[GBdomer]

I mean Everett Golson has huge upside and all this but how did he have a better year than Devin Gardner? I am asking what are you judging that in? Wins= Golson, Stats= Gardner