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George Orwell called.
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George Orwell called.
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I dont think its irrelevant at all.
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Gun advocates like to compare guns to cars. So I said okay fine lets do that..
When I proprosed licensing and registration for guns just like for cars people got all offended.
I don't see why people shouldn't have to get licensed to own a firearm and purchase liablility insurance for that firearm.
When I proprosed licensing and registration for guns just like for cars people got all offended.
I don't see why people shouldn't have to get licensed to own a firearm and purchase liablility insurance for that firearm.
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That's because driving isnt a constitutional right, gun rights are.
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The most consertative justice on the USSC, Justice Scalia says it is constitutional to have some restrictions on guns.
Scalia opens door for gun-control legislation, extends slow burning debate | Fox News
Antonin Scalia: There Are 'Undoubtedly' Limits To A Person's Right To Carry Guns (VIDEO)
Scalia opens door for gun-control legislation, extends slow burning debate | Fox News
Antonin Scalia: There Are 'Undoubtedly' Limits To A Person's Right To Carry Guns (VIDEO)
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Yes I looked at it. You really wanna start stacking up gun success stories vs gun tragedy stories?
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I never said it shouldn't be regulated.
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How about alcohol? Should we take that away to save a few. I write a decent bit about how much alcohol and automobiles (both separate) kill. Nobody want to ban alcohol but drunk driving accidents alone almost kill as many people as guns in a year. Not counting the hundreds of other ways to kill yourself and other when you are drunk.
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If you are using stories to make your case. I'm just pointing out that for every bad thing that happens there are multiple good stories.
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I've gone through the first 10 or so of the situations on the link.
I do not see one instance so far where someone used a Bushmaster AR 15 to defend themselves. This doesn't prove the point about restricting high capacity magazines and assault weapons.
The guns used in the articles were either unspecified or some sort of hand gun.
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Wait what? You pointed out stories. That's what's in your link. For every one of your so called success stories there are multiple tragedies due to guns.
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No cigarettes and guns are the best comparison. Both can only injure or kill you.
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So can alcohol.
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The key word is ONLY.
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Any "assault rifle" would fall under the ability to defend myself from anything organized. You want to say I'm crazy for wanting the means to defend myself from a tyrant government. You say that while the people are well armed. Say in a perfect world you could completely disarm the people of "assault rifles" and high capacity magazines. Then a president won't leave. What you going to do about it? Come after him with you 10 round .22? O and buy they way depending on how much time has passed that will probably be illegal too.
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In some states, like Rhode Island, you don't need insurance.
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What? The president won't leave? You're thinking there is a reasonable chance you might have to save America? Do you own a lot of camouflage clothing? Think about building bunkers in Idaho much?
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Doesn't matter if I want a gun to defend myself, shoot, or just collect....
What's it to you? I don't have to explain myself. And neither does anyone else. There is no stopping crazy and violence. And there is no new gun laws that will make a damn bit of difference as guns will always be available and bad people will aways have access to them. So why on earth would we limit access to them for everyone else? Because of what someone MIGHT do?
God help us if we continue to legislate because of what people "might" do...
What's sad, is we've come to a point in which we look to government to tell us what's good for us (food, shelter, cars, health....now defense). Meanwhile, this same government has no intention of following any of the rules themselves.
Freedom has it's costs. There will continue to be tradgies, probably worse, as you can't stop that kinda stuff. But when you use these exceptions to legislate new rules, you compromise freedom for everyone else.
What's it to you? I don't have to explain myself. And neither does anyone else. There is no stopping crazy and violence. And there is no new gun laws that will make a damn bit of difference as guns will always be available and bad people will aways have access to them. So why on earth would we limit access to them for everyone else? Because of what someone MIGHT do?
God help us if we continue to legislate because of what people "might" do...
What's sad, is we've come to a point in which we look to government to tell us what's good for us (food, shelter, cars, health....now defense). Meanwhile, this same government has no intention of following any of the rules themselves.
Freedom has it's costs. There will continue to be tradgies, probably worse, as you can't stop that kinda stuff. But when you use these exceptions to legislate new rules, you compromise freedom for everyone else.
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What? The president won't leave? You're thinking there is a reasonable chance you might have to save America? Do you own a lot of camouflage clothing? Think about building bunkers in Idaho much?
So what if he is! LOL......I see nothign wrong with being prepared.
Hey, out it CA it may be all sunshine, debt, and causal attitudes. But in the real world, you can't be too prepared!
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What? The president won't leave? You're thinking there is a reasonable chance you might have to save America? Do you own a lot of camouflage clothing? Think about building bunkers in Idaho much?
You laugh at me now but look at other governments. There are dictators in the world. Why? Because nobody can stop them. I'm not here to say Obama won't leave if he takes away or guns but what is to stop him or the next one democrat or republican? Are you just going to lay over and take it?
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Sure. And when we do could we separate them into legally/illegally owned firearms and include the shooter's prior criminal history?
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I would glady take that! I agree.
There are FARRRRRRRR more success stories than mass shootings.
Lets stack them up.
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I'm not laughing at you, I consider you a friend. I'm trying to get you to think rationally. You have a better chance of bumping uglies with Kate Upton, getting struck by lightning and winning the lottery all in the same day than ever having to force the president to comply to our laws.
Gun owners are more likely to have their gun stolen, be shot by themselves(accident or suicide), a family member or a friend than they are of ever using it to stop a crime.
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"individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession."
Wow. Way to twist it with the title, Political Carnival. The study says NOTHING ABOUT GUN "OWNERS"...just in possession.
Which I agree with. Because most guns on the street are illegally owned and in possession of gangs and criminals. So NO SH*T.
And you can't possibly add gun accidents into this...because you can't protect someone from their own stupidity. Gun or no gun.
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Take away guns from criminals and gangs, and I bet that those numbers are WAYYYYYYY OFF.
And that's the problem. We aren't focusing on bad people with guns. Just passing new laws on people that may have an accident from time to time
And that's the problem. We aren't focusing on bad people with guns. Just passing new laws on people that may have an accident from time to time
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The problem we don't know who's good and who's bad.
So the only to make it harder for the bad guys to get a gun is to make it harder for everyone to get a gun.
I know I'm going to hear everyone tell me how the bad guys will get the gun illegally anyway. What you can't disprove to me though is that going through legal chanels is alot easy than going through illegal chanels. It is not like you can go into any back alley and find an illegal gun seller.
So the only to make it harder for the bad guys to get a gun is to make it harder for everyone to get a gun.
I know I'm going to hear everyone tell me how the bad guys will get the gun illegally anyway. What you can't disprove to me though is that going through legal chanels is alot easy than going through illegal chanels. It is not like you can go into any back alley and find an illegal gun seller.
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Not going to argue that point but I would like to illustrate how naive people can be to the prevalence of activity that they used to be unaware of or unconsciously ignored. For example, prior to the whole Manti thing, I had not idea how popular "catfishing" is. More over, after my wife's cousin got arrested for possession of a narcotic, he went into rehab. During his stay, we visited and learned all of his triggers and where he got the stuff. Needless to say, the who is supplying and where they are supplying it shocked the living hell out of me. It was so much more available than I ever imagined.
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Taking a break from the actual gun debate for a second here:
So a Texas state Senator proposed making a law that any enforcing of a federal ban on assault weapons would be a felony in Texas.
Aside from the fact that is unconstitutional I would love to see this happen. Just imagine you'll have a Texas state police officer trying to arrest a federal marshall or FBI agent. I would pay to have tickets to see just how that situation plays itself out.
So a Texas state Senator proposed making a law that any enforcing of a federal ban on assault weapons would be a felony in Texas.
Aside from the fact that is unconstitutional I would love to see this happen. Just imagine you'll have a Texas state police officer trying to arrest a federal marshall or FBI agent. I would pay to have tickets to see just how that situation plays itself out.