Lennay Kekua, A Hoax!

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palinurus said:
Offhand, this doesn't trouble me. ND's interest in investigating was ND, not Manti. Not to be mean or selfish, but there would be a conflict of interest for ND to hire an investigator and say "Check this out for Manti and us." The investigator normally is representing one set of interests, and at some point, Manti's and the University's interests diverge. Swarbrick said as much during his presser.
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Agreed, which is why I was suprised Swarbrick fully backed Te'o at the press conference because he was really putting his own reputation on the line.
 
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tadman95 said:
Seems that many of our journalist friends think that if something doesn't make sense to them, then Manti must be lying. I don't get that.

I'll give Deadspin some credit in that they did the research (at least some) to unearth the story. How they took those facts and extrapolated them into Manti being involved in the hoax is mind boggling. They could have named anyone of us as co-conspirators on those same facts.

Personalities such as Stephen A. Smith and Mike Greenburg can't seem to see beyond their ability to understand as to other possible scenarios. They are gossip columnist, at least in this case, as much as they are journalists.

Manti has been nothing but a role model and a good person to this point in his life. To now suddenly assume he created this charade for attention or a Heisman campaign is just beyond stupid. How could anyone concoct that story and expect the media coverage that it received. Wouldn't he have had to known about his grandmother's passing in advance to create that terrible day? C'mon. How could he possibly know ESPN and NBC would pick this up and run with it to the level they did. How did he anticipate a 12-0 season to help with that?

Time for these professionals to do some work.
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That's because they're perfect.
 
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Kak7304 said:
This is important. Some are acting as if Te'o responded to a Nigerian Prince email scam and not the elaborate hoax this was, perpetrated by multiple people. Read the ESPN article posted my IrishLax and I which details how "Lennay" first contacted one of Te'o's friends in 2008.

Manti Te'o's childhood friend received Facebook messages from Lennay Kekua in 2008 - ESPN
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Don't you know that besides Manti dreaming this up, he is also the mastermind behind the Nigerian Prince scams?
 
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Irish#1 said:
Don't you know that besides Manti dreaming this up, he is also the mastermind behind the Nigerian Prince scams?
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Crap, you mean to tell me I just sent all my banking info to a fake Nigerian Prince?
 
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Kak7304 said:
Agreed, which is why I was suprised Swarbrick fully backed Te'o at the press conference because he was really putting his own reputation on the line.
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As had been posted numerous times (pages and pages back somewhere) there were many of us who stated that Jack knew Manti wasn't involved because neither he or the university would stick their neck out for one person if there was any doubt.

This story will die quickly now, but I hope the media goes after Tuiass until he squirms.
 
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NDTampa said:
Mitch Albom: Whom did Notre Dame's Manti Te'o hurt in girlfriend hoax? | Mitch Albom | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
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I was literally thinking exactly this earlier today. People need to save their moral outrage for something that matters. Manti was the victim of a cruel hoax, and maybe he made a fib or two along the way, but the outrage directed at him is totally misplaced even if so. What's the point of making a big show of righteous indignation about this? Why does everyone feel the need to sit in judgment of the poor kid, and tell everyone about their judgment? Keep it to yourself. No one cares how wrong it may or may not have been to tell your dad you met a girl when you didn't, or to fail to hold an immediate press conference the moment you began to suspect you may have been the victim of a hoax, even though you had no idea what the nature of the hoax was, the dimensions of it, or who had played it on you. Just save it, haters, save the hate for something that matters.
 
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Just watched an episode of "Catfish" for the first time just now....out of morbid curiosity and I wanted to see what it might be like to be Manti right about now. Man, I've never been more sick to my stomach than I am right now. These people are POS... Lots and lots of young people falling for this.......LOTS.
 
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HereComeTheIrish said:
Just watched an episode of "Catfish" for the first time just now....out of morbid curiosity and I wanted to see what it might be like to be Manti right about now. Man, I've never been more sick to my stomach than I am right now. These people are POS... Lots and lots of young people falling for this.......LOTS.
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I'm guilty of having watched a few episodes after the story came out. I actually find myself feeling bad for the people perpetrating the scheme rather than the victim. Most of the victims seem to be fairly normal people who will bounce back but the people behind it have severe mental/personality flaws that lead them to pull off something like this. What they're doing is absolutely wrong but they are incredibly messed up people.
 
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Jason Pham said:
Many of us, naturally feel betrayed in the wake of something like this, but I hope you will entertain the possibility that the perpetrator of that betrayal, far from being Manti, is our very own senses. We sit behind our keyboards and condemn his "emotional immaturity" and lack of judgment, while we fail to acknowledge our own immaturity and lack of judgment in this situation. Where Manti saw in an online profile, of someone he has never met in person, the love of his life, we saw in a twenty-one year old, who we do not know personally, some sort of omni-benevolent diety-like being. Just as much as he saw what he wanted to see, despite his better judgment, so too did many of us allow ourselves to declare him to be much more than he actually is: an outstanding linebacker and an excellent citizen, but also a human and a twenty-one year old human at that. Maybe it's not so far-fetched to be "catfished" afterall.
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Excellent points Jason.

I should note though, that when I started reading the bolded part, I was expecting you to end with something like:

"Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard and type a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to"
 
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Hmm, that's a different article. The NBC article fails to mention the twitter stuff and addresses. It says they looked at J. Swarbrick's notes.
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I'm loathe to even post about this because it's just so stupid. Grown azz men combing through high school crap like catfishing on-line and college noobs lying about their hot ex-girlfriends/girlfriend "in Canada"

But since you asked, they can check a lot. Because so much of the correspondence was through the Internet they can check every aspect of Manti's story. If he says he met her online @date then they can check that and verify every detail. They can trace the online persona of the scammers and see if they've connected to the other supposed victims. They can rule Manti out as the literal "perp" because they can trace the IP of the posts on a lot of sites to make sure he wasn't the one posting as his girlfriend etc.

Now obviously it's possible that

1) Manti didn't actually perpetrate the fraud but was complicit... in that case there must be an electronic paper trail of him to this perp. How are you going to coordinate the fraud if you have never met in person or online before the date the fraud begins? Assuming "full cooperation" Manti's family would have handed those cell phone records etc for ND to check...

2) It's almost impossible for there to be no inconsistencies in Manti's date and recollections... for IMAGINARY dates no less it would be, I think in real terms impossible. I mean look if Manti could pull that off he would be literally a world class intellect and deceiver no exaggeration. I mean the nation's SPYMASTER David Petraeus the CIA head got busted for an email trail to his mistress... Manti can cover his tracks like the KGB and remember dates and incidents like Dr. Evil?

sure it's possible... theoretically... depends. how hard of a tin foil conspiracy theorist you want to be?

3) ND can check the phone records and evidence that the actual interactions actually happened. I mean ok you can go all Birther, but does any logical person believe that Manti was spending 8 hours a night for months on end on the phone with a fake GF all because he knew in training camp that this would be the year that a defensive player after 100 years of neglect would be up for a Heisman and that he would be that guy??

It's pretty clear that Manti is stupid and that Manti was duped. Strangely this doesn't me believe less in what I thought of him... this guy is a true believer. It's actually kind of sad that when she's just this pretty girl on the Internet she's just another girl to him but what brought him closer to the fraud is when he thinks she almost died and really needs someone to be there for her... Again the entire thing is high school, it debases our entire country and our media apparatus that people are dying in the Middle East and Africa over real hatred and real crime and Bill Simmons and Deadspin can't stop perving out over some kid's screwy love life.
 
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Kak7304 said:
I'm guilty of having watched a few episodes after the story came out. I actually find myself feeling bad for the people perpetrating the scheme rather than the victim. Most of the victims seem to be fairly normal people who will bounce back but the people behind it have severe mental/personality flaws that lead them to pull off something like this. What they're doing is absolutely wrong but they are incredibly messed up people.
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Understood, but we're on opposite sides of the aisle there, bud. Toying with people is wrong.....sick or not. These people do it for enjoyment, not out of necessity.

We are ND
 
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Understood, but we're on opposite sides of the aisle there, bud. Toying with people is wrong.....sick or not. These people do it for enjoyment, not out of necessity.

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I agree with you, these people are just very pathetic and sick so I do pity them.
 
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I'm loathe to even post about this because it's just so stupid. Grown azz men combing through high school crap like catfishing on-line and college noobs lying about their hot ex-girlfriends/girlfriend "in Canada"

But since you asked, they can check a lot. Because so much of the correspondence was through the Internet they can check every aspect of Manti's story. If he says he met her online @date then they can check that and verify every detail. They can trace the online persona of the scammers and see if they've connected to the other supposed victims. They can rule Manti out as the literal "perp" because they can trace the IP of the posts on a lot of sites to make sure he wasn't the one posting as his girlfriend etc.

Now obviously it's possible that

1) Manti didn't actually perpetrate the fraud but was complicit... in that case there must be an electronic paper trail of him to this perp. How are you going to coordinate the fraud if you have never met in person or online before the date the fraud begins? Assuming "full cooperation" Manti's family would have handed those cell phone records etc for ND to check...

2) It's almost impossible for there to be no inconsistencies in Manti's date and recollections... for IMAGINARY dates no less it would be, I think in real terms impossible. I mean look if Manti could pull that off he would be literally a world class intellect and deceiver no exaggeration. I mean the nation's SPYMASTER David Petraeus the CIA head got busted for an email trail to his mistress... Manti can cover his tracks like the KGB and remember dates and incidents like Dr. Evil?

sure it's possible... theoretically... depends. how hard of a tin foil conspiracy theorist you want to be?

3) ND can check the phone records and evidence that the actual interactions actually happened. I mean ok you can go all Birther, but does any logical person believe that Manti was spending 8 hours a night for months on end on the phone with a fake GF all because he knew in training camp that this would be the year that a defensive player after 100 years of neglect would be up for a Heisman and that he would be that guy??

It's pretty clear that Manti is stupid and that Manti was duped. Strangely this doesn't me believe less in what I thought of him... this guy is a true believer. It's actually kind of sad that when she's just this pretty girl on the Internet she's just another girl to him but what brought him closer to the fraud is when he thinks she almost died and really needs someone to be there for her... Again the entire thing is high school, it debases our entire country and our media apparatus that people are dying in the Middle East and Africa over real hatred and real crime and Bill Simmons and Deadspin can't stop perving out over some kid's screwy love life.
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Actually, AraLou didn't ask a question. He made a statement. Just wondering what about his "statement" necessitated you're novel on his behalf?

That was a question.
 
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I actually was talking about what the article says. Nothing else. I wasn't asking a question. Plus you don't have to tell me anything about what's going on in the middle east my friend.
 
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With the HarBowl, Ray Lewis, etc., this Manti thing should see a lot less airtime, thank God. I think this thing will die off a little after his interview with Couric.
 
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Kak7304 said:
With the HarBowl, Ray Lewis, etc., this Manti thing should see a lot less airtime, thank God. I think this thing will die off a little after his interview with Couric.
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Yep! Bigger fish to fry, so to speak.
 
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Kak7304 said:
With the HarBowl, Ray Lewis, etc., this Manti thing should see a lot less airtime, thank God. I think this thing will die off a little after his interview with Couric.
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I wish he would do the interview sooner, if at all. Time to get off the front page.
 
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also, I was just trying to catch up after not really being on computer this weekend. Hard to sift through 3000+ posts on a phone, but has anyone posted the full transcript or read it? I didn't see any mention of it and it is unreal. Most of the quotes released Friday night by ESPN were not full quotes and change the whole way they would come across. This took me a couple hours to read on my phone last night, mostly because I kept rereading parts that just blew my mind. Sorry if it was already posted, but if not, set some time aside and read the whole thing.

Highlights of Manti Te'o interview with Jeremy Schaap - ESPN
 
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The most ironic story is how Ray Lewis will be stroked off by the media for the next two weeks..a guy who almost certainly took part in or knows about the murder of a person, while Manti Te'o, who has drawn leadership parallels to Lewis (on the field) is getting hammered by the media, and has hurt absolutely no one.

I'm wondering who the big media writer will be to draw these comparisons and put our societal inconsistencies and problems into focus. What a joke.
 
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