Lennay Kekua, A Hoax!

[zemaniak]

More attacking me for stating facts and not accepting homer'ism.

How did that attack you?

I guess you didn't catch my point. You're disappointed because you put him on a pedestal.

He's. A . Football. Player.

Not a hero. Not an icon. Not ND. Not frigging Jesus.

I saw fans and media build him up to that level. For God's sake, i almost started believing it, he seemed purer than polar snow!

So yeah let's bash on him on the first sign of a weakness

Do a better job of hiding your ugly side please

 

[IrishLax]

Friend of Manti Te'o recalls car accident phone call on April 28 - ESPN

This one is pretty telling too. It's absolutely impossible he masterminded this whole thing to then cultivate 5 years down the road for publicity.

 

[Kak7304]

Friend of Manti Te'o recalls car accident phone call on April 28 - ESPN

This one is pretty telling too. It's absolutely impossible he masterminded this whole thing to then cultivate 5 years down the road for publicity.

This entire thing is sickening. Tuiasosopo created an online person AND family which he sustained for 4 years in order to manipulate others.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

mother****er

Not that u need it but I got your back! That's f- ed up

 

[CanadianIrish]

How did that attack you?

I guess you didn't catch my point. You're disappointed because you put him on a pedestal.

He's. A . Football. Player.

Not a hero. Not an icon. Not ND. Not frigging Jesus.

I saw fans and media build him up to that level. For God's sake, i almost started believing it, he seemed purer than polar snow!

So yeah let's bash on him on the first sign of a weakness

Do a better job of hiding your ugly side please

Did you even read any of what you wrote or do you just make up each post anew? The only thing I've said is that he's emotionally immature and that made me lose respect for him. I didn't put him on a pedestal, I assumed he wouldn't fall for a hoax my 12 year old wouldn't be fooled by. You responded with, some form of "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Everyone needs to accept there is no version of this story where Manti comes out looking good. There are two versions: (1) Manti was in on it and is scum; or (2) He's emotionally immature and guillable to a shocking degree. I choose to believe version 2, but I don't respect people like that - be they football players or anyone else. If you do, fine but you're going to realize very quickly that the vast majority of people don't.

 

[zemaniak]

Did you even read any of what you wrote or do you just make up each post anew? The only thing I've said is that he's emotionally immature and that made me lose respect for him. I didn't put him on a pedestal, I assumed he wouldn't fall for a hoax my 12 year old wouldn't be fooled by. You responded with, some form of "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Everyone needs to accept there is no version of this story where Manti comes out looking good. There are two versions: (1) Manti was in on it and is scum; or (2) He's emotionally immature and guillable to a shocking degree. I choose to believe version 2, but I don't respect people like that - be they football players or anyone else. If you do, fine but you're going to realize very quickly that the vast majority of people don't.

I'm tiring of you.

Putting that much importance on the decisions of a lone football player and the intense demonstration of your disappointment betrays the pedestal you've put him on.

Accusing me of not reading? Insert HERE your glass house comment, make sure you read all the info that is coming up about the level and depth of the hoax that was built over several years

Or go watch hockey.

Go Habs go.

 

[johnnykillz]

Did you even read any of what you wrote or do you just make up each post anew? The only thing I've said is that he's emotionally immature and that made me lose respect for him. I didn't put him on a pedestal, I assumed he wouldn't fall for a hoax my 12 year old wouldn't be fooled by. You responded with, some form of "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Everyone needs to accept there is no version of this story where Manti comes out looking good. There are two versions: (1) Manti was in on it and is scum; or (2) He's emotionally immature and guillable to a shocking degree. I choose to believe version 2, but I don't respect people like that - be they football players or anyone else. If you do, fine but you're going to realize very quickly that the vast majority of people don't.

Breathe bro.

You are definitely against the populous.

A real rebel.

Fvck yeah!

C'mon! You can do this.

You vs. Te'o + the world.

If only you weren't betrayed, or everyone else so stupid and too in love...

Amirite?

 

[Kak7304]

I'm tiring of you.

Putting that much importance on the decisions of a lone football player and the intense demonstration of your disappointment betrays the pedestal you've put him on.

Accusing me of reading? Insert HERE your glass house comment, make sure you read all the info that is coming up about the level and depth of the hoax that was built over several years

Or go watch hockey.

Go Habs go.

This is important. Some are acting as if Te'o responded to a Nigerian Prince email scam and not the elaborate hoax this was, perpetrated by multiple people. Read the ESPN article posted my IrishLax and I which details how "Lennay" first contacted one of Te'o's friends in 2008.

Manti Te'o's childhood friend received Facebook messages from Lennay Kekua in 2008 - ESPN

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Some POS tweeted TJ asking if his Dad died or fake died.
I'd love to meet that dude in a dark alley...

I absolutely hate some people.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Some POS tweeted TJ asking if his Dad died or fake died.
I'd love to meet that dude in a dark alley...

People would think I were on bath salts after I was done with this scum.

 

[alohagoirish]

Teo has too grand weaknesses---he is highly responsive and can get deeply involved with people who "appear" to be in need. And he is overly trusting of other people.

That kind of personality certainly deserves everything he's getting eh?

And canadian irish's point that even falling for someone in this manner shouts character flaw is simply a clouded & narrow view of contemporary relationships.

Your 12 year old wouldn't fall for this so teo is a child.

May i suggest you look at your own relationships & those of your friends and family. How many people do we now that use questionable judgement in matters of the heart?---How many marry their fathers or men look for their mothers. How many recreate youthful family dysfinction simply to find a comfort spot? How many pick partners incapable of FIDELITY ? How many couples end in divorce or simply end up living in dysfunctional relationships? --Millions --in one way or another the answer is MOST!

Teo has been more sheltered then most in matters involving the opposite sex and his background and youth made him vulnerable to this. They knew his family , knew his religion, knew the polynesian -american culture , they pushed every button just right.

Teo's family loyalty and concern for those in need are 100% of what they appear. His leadership of men on the field and off, his loyalty, his work ethic, etc etc--all remain totally intact. His judgement about relationships & women seem to be very weak. If thats the measure of a man , then by that standard we should all look into the mirror.

 

[Meacon Irish]

How did that attack you?

I guess you didn't catch my point. You're disappointed because you put him on a pedestal.

He's. A . Football. Player.

And a college kid.

Seriously. He's a 22-year old kid. A lot of you need to be brought back down to Earth. It's so easy to sit behind a computer and judge people.

"Lost respect"? **** off. He's a kid that got scammed. I'm sure everyone is impressed that you've never been duped.


Edit: I can't say Pis$?

 

[NDohio]

Teo has too grand weaknesses---he is highly responsive and can get deeply involved with people who "appear" to be in need. And he is overly trusting of other people.

That kind of personality certainly deserves everything he's getting eh?

And canadian irish's point that even falling for someone in this manner shouts character flaw is simply a clouded & narrow view of contemporary relationships.

Your 12 year old wouldn't fall for this so teo is a child.

May i suggest you look at your own relationships & those of your friends and family. How many people do we now that use questionable judgement in matters of the heart?---How many marry their fathers or men look for their mothers. How many recreate youthful family dysfinction simply to find a comfort spot? How many pick partners incapable of FIDELITY ? How many couples end in divorce or simply end up living in dysfunctional relationships? --Millions --in one way or another the answer is MOST!

Teo has been more sheltered then most in matters involving the opposite sex and his background and youth made him vulnerable to this. They knew his family , knew his religion, knew the polynesian -american culture , they pushed every button just right.

Teo's family loyalty and concern for those in need are 100% of what they appear. His leadership of men on the field and off, his loyalty, his work ethic, etc etc--all remain totally intact. His judgement about relationships & women seem to be very weak. If thats the measure of a man , then by that standard we should all look into the mirror.

Well said - thank you. I would rep you if I knew how! LOL

 

[JughedJones]

Well said - thank you. I would rep you if I knew how! LOL

See the scales on the bottom left of the posts?

Click them for reps.



Edited for dumbness.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Teo has too grand weaknesses---he is highly responsive and can get deeply involved with people who "appear" to be in need. And he is overly trusting of other people.

That kind of personality certainly deserves everything he's getting eh?

And canadian irish's point that even falling for someone in this manner shouts character flaw is simply a clouded & narrow view of contemporary relationships.

Your 12 year old wouldn't fall for this so teo is a child.

May i suggest you look at your own relationships & those of your friends and family. How many people do we now that use questionable judgement in matters of the heart?---How many marry their fathers or men look for their mothers. How many recreate youthful family dysfinction simply to find a comfort spot? How many pick partners incapable of FIDELITY ? How many couples end in divorce or simply end up living in dysfunctional relationships? --Millions --in one way or another the answer is MOST!

Teo has been more sheltered then most in matters involving the opposite sex and his background and youth made him vulnerable to this. They knew his family , knew his religion, knew the polynesian -american culture , they pushed every button just right.

Teo's family loyalty and concern for those in need are 100% of what they appear. His leadership of men on the field and off, his loyalty, his work ethic, etc etc--all remain totally intact. His judgement about relationships & women seem to be very weak. If thats the measure of a man , then by that standard we should all look into the mirror.

Awesome post! +1

 

[Irish YJ]

See the weights on the bottom left of the posts?

Click them for reps.

?????

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Teo has too grand weaknesses---he is highly responsive and can get deeply involved with people who "appear" to be in need. And he is overly trusting of other people.

That kind of personality certainly deserves everything he's getting eh?

And canadian irish's point that even falling for someone in this manner shouts character flaw is simply a clouded & narrow view of contemporary relationships.

Your 12 year old wouldn't fall for this so teo is a child.

May i suggest you look at your own relationships & those of your friends and family. How many people do we now that use questionable judgement in matters of the heart?---How many marry their fathers or men look for their mothers. How many recreate youthful family dysfinction simply to find a comfort spot? How many pick partners incapable of FIDELITY ? How many couples end in divorce or simply end up living in dysfunctional relationships? --Millions --in one way or another the answer is MOST!

Teo has been more sheltered then most in matters involving the opposite sex and his background and youth made him vulnerable to this. They knew his family , knew his religion, knew the polynesian -american culture , they pushed every button just right.

Teo's family loyalty and concern for those in need are 100% of what they appear. His leadership of men on the field and off, his loyalty, his work ethic, etc etc--all remain totally intact. His judgement about relationships & women seem to be very weak. If thats the measure of a man , then by that standard we should all look into the mirror.

Great freaking post and couldn't agree more. Remember, one of the things that Te'o always says.... My goal is to reach the most people...Spread the word and give others comfort that are in need. Every once in a while, those that see the good in others take a burn. Manti should not be faulted for this. Not one bit. Sometimes it sucks being the guy that is a born leader and doesn't turn it off. If he's responsible for anything, it's that he trusts people who only look to do him and his family harm, and that is sad.

Love thee Notre Dame.

 

[Kak7304]

I found one thing (among many others) about this situation to be a complete joke. College and pro athletes commonly use and abuse their status to have one night stands and physical relationships with women. This is prominent everywhere, including ND. Here, we have an example of a high-profile athlete who had a relationship that was purely based on what he perceived to be a woman's personality yet he is the one being destroyed by the public. If he were a promiscuous man-whore, there is absolutely no story. This really makes me dislike the society we currently live in.

 

[JughedJones]

?????

Sorry, I meant scales.. that weights go in.

I'm running low on brain power.

 

[NDohio]

See the scales on the bottom left of the posts?

Click them for reps.



Edited for dumbness.

Got it thanks!!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This is important. Some are acting as if Te'o responded to a Nigerian Prince email scam and not the elaborate hoax this was, perpetrated by multiple people. Read the ESPN article posted my IrishLax and I which details how "Lennay" first contacted one of Te'o's friends in 2008.

Manti Te'o's childhood friend received Facebook messages from Lennay Kekua in 2008 - ESPN

In Epstein's case, it was believing he'd made a real connection with an attractive Russian woman named Ivana he met online. In fact, she was nothing more than a computer bot someone had set up to respond to queries on an online dating site.

"A lot of people still make fun of me," he said.

See?

 

[PraetorianND]

I found one thing (among many others) about this situation to be a complete joke. College and pro athletes commonly use and abuse their status to have one night stands and physical relationships with women. This is prominent everywhere, including ND. Here, we have an example of a high-profile athlete who had a relationship that was purely based on what he perceived to be a woman's personality yet he is the one being destroyed by the public. If he were a promiscuous man-whore, there is absolutely no story. This really makes me dislike the society we currently live in.

Reps. Nobody has even mentioned anything like this in the press. Super nice guy falls for ailing woman online who uses faith, family, and tragedy to reel him in? Lets either a) point and laugh, b) claim he made it up for attention or c) both.

People suck.

 

[palinurus]

Have you read the transcript of his interview? It's ridiculous, he's still talking about her as though she's a real person.

My interpretation is also the positive view of things. The alternative view - at a bare minimum - is that he intentionally exaggeratedand perpetuated a false story after any reasonable person would know it was nonsense. On December 6th he's told Lennay isn't really dead she was hiding from drug dealers and two days later he's giving interviews about his dead girlfriend.

He's either shockingly emotionally immature, or a total piece of crap. Given that he's a devout Mormon I find it less hard to believe he's emotionally immature. And I mean I wish he was gay in the limited way that it would be positive for his narrative rather than negative.

How do I nominate you for most argumentative poster in an IE award?

Leaving aside the opinions, most of which I think aren't well founded, I interpret the bolded language as meaning you think Mormons are more likely to be emotionally immature than -- I don't know who -- Catholics? Baptists? Buddhists? Tree worshippers? Maybe you are right: can you defend that statement?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Did you even read any of what you wrote or do you just make up each post anew? The only thing I've said is that he's emotionally immature and that made me lose respect for him. I didn't put him on a pedestal, I assumed he wouldn't fall for a hoax my 12 year old wouldn't be fooled by. You responded with, some form of "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Everyone needs to accept there is no version of this story where Manti comes out looking good. There are two versions: (1) Manti was in on it and is scum; or (2) He's emotionally immature and guillable to a shocking degree. I choose to believe version 2, but I don't respect people like that - be they football players or anyone else. If you do, fine but you're going to realize very quickly that the vast majority of people don't.

How could you lose respect for someone who conned the way Manti was? That's ridiculous. Manti represented ND tremendously the past 4 years. He earned our respect the way he has lived his life. He's a great young man with a very bright future ahead of him. God Bless Manti Te'o.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Also, I don't think any of us know Manti personally so I think calling him "emotionally immature" is out of line. Everything I've seen of him suggests that he is a very caring and mature young man.

 

[JughedJones]

Leaving aside the opinions, most of which I think aren't well founded, I interpret the bolded language as meaning you think Mormons are more likely to be emotionally immature that -- I don't know who -- Catholics? Baptists? Buddhists? Tree worshippers? Maybe you are right: can you defend that statement?

This is where I would step in.

I don't think emotionally immature is a fair statement at all, but as someone who has hung out with their fair share of LDS, I can say that, generally, they tend to have a different social outlook than other faiths.

It tends to be intensely family orientated and Utopian. This can lead to a rather sheltered upbringing, and not surprisingly, have someone believe in the better angels among us. Combine that with the massive stress the faith puts on NEVER having pre-marital sex, and one can see how someone could end up in Manti's situation.

I'm not defending Canadian here, as I've decided a little while ago that he's a bit of a contrarian tool, but in this instance his toolishness had a glimmer of reality.

 

[palinurus]

Also, I don't think any of us know Manti personally so I think calling him "emotionally immature" is out of line. Everything I've seen of him suggests that he is a very caring and mature young man.

Moreover, implying he's emotionally immature because he's a Mormon is illogical at a minimum.

 

[palinurus]

This is where I would step in.

I don't think emotionally immature is a fair statement at all, but as someone who has hung out with their fair share of LDS, I can say that, generally, they tend to have a different social outlook than other faiths.

It tends to be intensely family orientated and Utopian. This can lead to a rather sheltered upbringing, and not surprisingly, have someone believe in the better angels among us. Combine that with the massive stress the faith puts on NEVER having pre-marital sex, and one can see how someone could end up in Manti's situation.

I'm not defending Canadian here, as I've decided a little while ago that he's a bit of a contrarian tool, but in this instance his toolishness had a glimmer of reality.

I agree that Teo's moral/religious beliefs could make him more susceptible to such schemes, which is your point. I think Tuiasasopo suspected it did, which is why he targeted him.

I just didn't like Canadian's assumption that Teo's traditional moral beliefs (which I guess was what "Mormon" was code for) make him "emotionally immature." I could as easily argue (maybe more easily argue) that it's more "emotionally immature" to sleep around because you think it makes you a stud, or because you think sleeping with a lot of guys will make the guys love you.

I'm not Mormon and don't know much about their faith, but I don't accept Canadian's implication that traditional moral beliefs make one more susceptible to "emotional immaturity" than anyone else. There's no shortage of "emotional immaturity" these days, and it's scattered pretty far and wide.

But I get your point. "Toolishness" is a good word, btw.

 

[phork]

Dear Canadian Irish, just stop.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Schapp interview transcript

Highlights of Manti Te'o interview with Jeremy Schaap - ESPN