Opinions/Discussions on Guns

[Polish Leppy 22]

$500 million program to help prevent gun violence.

Insane on two fronts, financially and logistically.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

We don't have a democracy. We are a democratic republic. And those polls are often swewed...I could get 90% of people to support military action against Sudanese militants if I frame it the right way.

skewed

 

[IrishJayhawk]

skewed

I like swewed.

 

[chicago51]

Actually looks those that don't support gun control tend to be those less educated. If you few polling results by education you see the smarter people (those the graduated from college) are more in favor of gun control. So I wouldn't be calling us idiots.

Required Background checks (no gun show loophole): Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows? - The Washington Post

All Adults: 88%
HS or lesss: 84%
Some College: 87%
College Grad: 94%
Post Grad: 92%

Law against high capacity clips: Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on high-capacity ammunition clips, meaning those containing more than 10 bullets? - The Washington Post

All Adults: 65%
HS or less: 66%
Some College: 56%
College Grad: 68%
Post Grad: 78%

Assault Weapons Ban: Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons? - The Washington Post

All Adults: 58%
HS or less: 57%
Some College: 50%
College Grad: 63%
Post Grad: 72%

Other polls on guns and various issues here as well.
Post-ABC poll: Broad support for gun restrictions, armed guards in schools - January 10-13 - The Washington Post

I'm not saying everyone who didn't graduate from college is not smart. Those that did graduate certainly have decent intelligence.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

If you honestly believe that college education is the measuring stick for intelligence you may fall into that idiot category.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

The Washington Post compiled a list of the 23 executive orders the president is signing with the stated intention of curbing gun violence. The president took action within his scope of authority on the following items (some are paraphrased for conciseness):

1. Require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Remove needless legal barriers that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Boost incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the attorney general to review standards of ensuring dangerous individuals are not legally attaining guns.

5. Propose giving law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Inform federally licensed gun dealers on how to more thoroughly run background checks on private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.



8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes.

9. Issue memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate a new director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (Todd Jones).

12. Provide law enforcement, first-responders, and school officials with proper training for ‘active shooter’ situations.

13. Maximize gun violence prevention and strongly prosecute gun crime.

14. More federal funding for research on the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Report on gun-safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors from asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school-resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental-health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue on mental health.

 

[chicago51]

The Washington Post compiled a list of the 23 executive orders the president is signing with the stated intention of curbing gun violence. The president took action within his scope of authority on the following items (some are paraphrased for conciseness):

Of the measures listed doesn't sound like the president is talking about breaking down people's houses and taking there guns. I hate these NRA and at times GOP scare tactics.

An aside: The NRA advertisement on the president's kids was low class. First off the president never said he was against having officers at shools. Second the president's have to be protected for national security purposes. If someone were to kidnapp the POTUS kids they could leverage the most powerful man in the world into acting in their self interest.

 

[brandonnash]

Of the measures listed doesn't sound like the president is talking about breaking down people's houses and taking there guns. I hate these NRA and at times GOP scare tactics.

An aside: The NRA advertisement on the president's kids was low class. First off the president never said he was against having officers at shools. Second the president's have to be protected for national security purposes. If someone were to kidnapp the POTUS kids they could leverage the most powerful man in the world into acting in their self interest.

Those are just the executive order actions he is pushing through. The rest will have to go to congress.

 

[chicago51]

Those are just the executive order actions he is pushing through. The rest will have to go to congress.

I hope congress at least votes on some of the proposals. If it doesn't pass fine but the American people deserve to have stuff voted on. This way members of congress can be held accountable to how they voted.

I'm hate the congressional leaders for not bringing stuff up because they say it won't pass the other chamber or not having a majority of the majority. Harry Reid quit playing the "I'm not going to bring stuff up because it won't pass the House card". To John Boehner if a majority in the House of Reps wants something but you won't bringing up because you are afraid of the tea party then we need a new speaker. If something will pass with 180 Dem and 80 Rep then it is your duty is to dring it to the floor. You don't need a majority of the majority you need majority!

 

[JadeBrecks]

An aside: The NRA advertisement on the president's kids was low class.

Verses putting a group of kids in your press conference and reading their letters?

 

[BobD]

Verses putting a group of kids in your press conference and reading their letters?

Those kids wrote letters to the president asking him to do something about guns.

 

[Downinthebend]

The Truth About Assault Weapons

(Hyperlink wording not my own.)

 

[tommyIRISH23]

The R700 308 Bolt Action I'm buying has more energy than the AR15. It's just odd that bc a gun has military cosmetic features, it's deemed a societal threat.

Look. Gun Control does not work. Do some research on Australia's Gun Control Laws. I am working on my MPA, and the blind reliance on policy as a means of regulating behavior is mind boggling. Especially in this scenario, how many gun crimes are committed by the law-abiding citizen who bought his gun at Cabelas? Disarming law-abiding citizens, and not targeting those who commit 90%+ of the violent crime is absurd. But, imagine the backlash if the President stood infront of the podium pushing a plan to enact iniatives targeting inner-city gun trafficing? Our PC world would lose it's mind.

Also, in terms of mental health, we need to clearly define what constitutes a standard of being mentally healthy. Psychiatry has been pushing the bounds of mental health for years, and is often very wrong in their diagnose. The DSM5 is a joke. If my dad dies and I am depressed for more than a week or two, I can be diagnosed as clinically depressed. There has to be some oversight there.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Those kids wrote letters to the president asking him to do something about guns.

And that's fine parading them around to get people to think with their feelings and not with their brain is another thing. I'm sure if you ask them just taking away all guns giving everyone a juice box and pb&j sandwich will solve everything. That may sound cold but they are children for a reason. They don't understand the world.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

And that's fine parading them around to get people to think with their feelings and not with their brain is another thing. I'm sure if you ask them just taking away all guns giving everyone a juice box and pb&j sandwich will solve everything. That may sound cold but they are children for a reason. They don't understand the world.

Reps.

 

[GoIrish41]

Like I said... LOTS of idiots.

Sorry doing nothing and namecalling is probably the intelligent thing to do. You are obviosly the smartest guy on the board.

 

[DSully1995]

We don't have a democracy. We are a democratic republic. And those polls are often swewed...I could get 90% of people to support military action against Sudanese militants if I frame it the right way.

He said screw democracy, which you do have, within your republic, but anyway part two: very true, but are you sure this claim isnt just to hide your ability to realize the truth? (a la republicans in november...)

 

[DSully1995]

Another point, across the border here (to the north), we share your video games, TV shows, movies, news stories (the big ones), but yet have much lower gun violence and overall violent crime than the states... just for those who say its because of a demented killing culture..

 

[chicago51]

Ronald Reagan supported an assault weapons band. The president didn't propose anything that was far left or unreasonable.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Another point, across the border here (to the north), we share your video games, TV shows, movies, news stories (the big ones), but yet have much lower gun violence and overall violent crime than the states... just for those who say its because of a demented killing culture..

Just curious. What are Canada's gun laws? I don't think I have ever seen anyone mention them. Do you have them and if so what are they?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Verses putting a group of kids in your press conference and reading their letters?

Kind of surprised he didn't include little bunnies, puppies, and senior citizens in wheelchairs

 

[BobD]

Verses putting a group of kids in your press conference and reading their letters?

Those kids wrote letters to the president asking him to do something about guns.

And that's fine parading them around to get people to think with their feelings and not with their brain is another thing. I'm sure if you ask them just taking away all guns giving everyone a juice box and pb&j sandwich will solve everything. That may sound cold but they are children for a reason. They don't understand the world.

Reps.

Kind of surprised he didn't include little bunnies, puppies, and senior citizens in wheelchairs

So when children are shot and other children are upset enough to write a letter to the president, you don't feel it's important for the president to show all children they have a voice and their concerns are being addressed?

 

[JadeBrecks]

So when children are shot and other children are upset enough to write a letter to the president, you don't feel it's important for the president to show all children they have a voice and their concerns are being addressed?

That is not why they are there. That is also why they waited till this shooting to do something. Now they can bring out these little children read their stories and tug at veryones heart strings. Rather than trying to bring a reasonable response up as to why they are doing what they are doing they can just say its for they children. If anyone says different then they can say well you don't care about the children. If you really cared you would look into getting rid of gun free zones to protect the innocent. Instead you are made out to be a child hating crazy if you mention it.

 

[RDU Irish]

Rahm may be in Chicago but they still aren't going to let a perfectly good crisis go to waste. I think I may stop by the gun shop on the way home from work.

 

[phgreek]

So when children are shot and other children are upset enough to write a letter to the president, you don't feel it's important for the president to show all children they have a voice and their concerns are being addressed?

I'm really trying not to be that cynical about it...but I think you reassure kids by making a PSA that gets sent to all public schools.

What was actually done here...mmmmmmmm...too politically motivated. Kids in this deal are being used as a political leverage device...just my take.

 

[chicago51]

I'm really trying not to be that cynical about it...but I think you reassure kids by making a PSA that gets sent to all public schools.

What was actually done here...mmmmmmmm...too politically motivated. Kids in this deal are being used as a political leverage device...just my take.

Don't see the big deal about Obama having kids at the bill signing. Not like other presidents haven't done the same thing.

Also love how some people said that Obama was using executive order priviledge was an abuse of power. When Obama has in fact used the fewest executive orders since Grover Cleveland.

Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer

As I mentioned in previous post both presidents Reagan and George W Busch both supported an assault weapons ban but when Obama proposes something some people are automatically have to be against it because Obama was the one who proposed it. Almost as if folks look to who is talking and not what is being said.

 

[phgreek]

Don't see the big deal about Obama having kids at the bill signing. Not like other presidents haven't done the same thing.

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Ah...so the signing of a bill...where it was already decided is the same as what BO did yesterday

Symbolism as a sign of unity and progress vs. political leverage, fear mongering and guilt...timing is everything
...I could not have picked a better image to illustrate my point...I get what you are trying to say, but go find a different image to make your point dude.

Also love how some people said that Obama was using executive order priviledge was an abuse of power. When Obama has in fact used the fewest executive orders since Grover Cleveland


Obama: Fewest Executive Orders in Over 100 Years -- Daily Intelligencer.


As I mentioned in previous post both presidents Reagan and George W Busch both supported an assault weapons ban but when Obama proposes something some people are automatically have to be against it because Obama was the one who proposed it. Almost as if folks look to who is talking and not what is being said.

My personal concern is not #s, its what these EOs represent. If, as a president, you are more or less creating legislation, you should get slapped around, and put back in your rice bowl...I really don't care if you are an "R" or a "D". If you do so in response to congress not going your way vs implementation of policy...those speak to intent. I think it is clear he is not implementing something that is part of larger policy objectives here, and depending on what he actually does, he may find himself in some trouble. Intent and timing seem to be a theme...don't ya think?

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Don't see the big deal about Obama having kids at the bill signing. Not like other presidents haven't done the same thing.

If Bush was signing a "No Murderer Left Unpunished" bill you'd have more ground to stand on.

 

[chicago51]

Well if you are one that is against universal background checks, a ban on high capacity magazines, and an assault weapons ban things may work out alright for you.

I assume any gun control legistration would have to start in the senate. Harry Reid seems uncomfortable on an assualts weapons bun but I assume he still brings other 2 items on gun legistlation to the floor.

However, good chance it gets fillbustered. Now say they it does pass the Senate there is a good chance that John Boener doesn't even bring it up for a vote in the house because of of the "Dennis Hastard rule".

Bottom line there are lots of barriers for policy change. I think the background checks make it through if it is proposed seperately possibly high capacity magazines. I think an assault weapons ban would fail. I want it to pass but I don't think it will thanks to the fillibuster and gerymandering.

Note the Hastard rule is when as speaker of the house you only bring bills to the floor that a majority of your party is in favor of.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

What's an assault weapon?