'09 CA RB Cierre Wood

[phgreek]

Ok, I will compare him to Darius Walker. What another year would have potentially done for him.

...gotten him killed. That year was '07...the absolute WORST O-Line I can remember.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

1. Cierre isnt going to make more money by staying around another year.

2. His chances of getting hurt get higher and higher bc he hasnt gotten hurt yet. Ala Jonas Gray.

3. What is he going to do next year that he hasn't already shown? He is already a 1200 yard back. He has that on film and that isnt changing.

4. There isnt anything Cierre is going to improve to show that scouts next yr he is better than this year. His negatives are gonna be negatives next year or this year.

5. He is a fresh back. He can tote the rock for many years to come. Trent Richardson is gonna barely be able to walk in about 6 years. Cierre/Jonas are going to be more than fine in 6 years.

6. Cierre isnt going to all of sudden put himself in the top 2 rounds by coming back next year. So he is going to be making decent money reguardless if its the 4th rd or undrafted. Hes going to make a team, and then from there its up to him on how his career goes.

7. If it was a situation like Theo's where he played WR for 2 years then has 1 yr of film at RB, yeah it could benefit him to comeback, or if he had missed his JR year, it could benefit him. But Cierre has 3 good years of film, where teams are going to be able to see everything he can do well and the things he needs to work on. College game isnt going to help Cierre get used to running behind a fullback, or nfl terminology.

8. Darius Walker - is a GREAT comparison bc he, like cierre, wasnt going to do anything he hadnt done his previous 3 years. He wasnt going to suddenly get blazing speed, or grow 3 inches.Cierre is a much better prospect than Walker, but I mean Darius had a hell of a 3 year run, and a 4th year was going to do absolutely nothing for him.

 

[gkIrish]

1. Cierre isnt going to make more money by staying around another year.

He might. He definitely has the talent to be a mid to late 2nd round pick. Being the featured back on a top 5 preseason team/reigning champ likely raises your stock even if it's just perception.

2. His chances of getting hurt get higher and higher bc he hasnt gotten hurt yet. Ala Jonas Gray.

Agreed and I think this is probably the biggest factor

3. What is he going to do next year that he hasn't already shown? He is already a 1200 yard back. He has that on film and that isnt changing.

He can be a 1600 yard back. He can catch the ball better out of the backfield. He can improve his blocking. He can improve his relationship with his head coach (NFL teams do take things like that into consideration).

4. There isnt anything Cierre is going to improve to show that scouts next yr he is better than this year. His negatives are gonna be negatives next year or this year.

Are you suggesting that players can't diminish or even eliminate their weaknesses? That's a silly argument.

6. Cierre isnt going to all of sudden put himself in the top 2 rounds by coming back next year. So he is going to be making decent money reguardless if its the 4th rd or undrafted. Hes going to make a team, and then from there its up to him on how his career goes.

He can put himself in the top 2 rounds with a 1600 yard season, 10+ TDs and little to no turnovers. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to do that considering he will be the clear #1 and Golson's arm is going to force teams out of the box

All that being said....I do think Cierre should leave because of his family situation. If he gets hurt he could really mess up his future. I truly believe Cierre will start in the NFL someday soon so the quicker he gets there probably the better for him. But I don't agree with the premise that he can't improve his game or improve his draft stock next year

 

[georgia irish]

If Cierre wants to improve his draft status,all he needs is to have a good game against BAMA

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Cierre isnt going to be a 1600 yard back in NDs offense. There arent enough carries for that to happen.

In the big picture he isnt going to all of sudden blow teams away with by getting down to a 4.4, or massively improve his pass catching. Obviously he can get better, but for the NFL looks at there's nothing that he is going to all of a sudden improve something that hasnt already got him to this point. C could spend 20hrs in the weight room going 200% for the next 8months straight and he still wouldnt look like Trent Richardson. He is a back that would benefit from a fullback, and is deadly once he gets to the 2nd level.

The NFL is nothing like college. Its a business. Nothing is given so if you have a chance to get there. You take it and let the chips fall. He may come back but if you look at it from a business perspective there isnt a reason to comeback football wise or off the field. He has a chance to provide for his family reguardless of the contract bc its good money for someone in his situation.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Yeah, at this point, the only thing that will increase his draft stock is are good times at the combine/pro day.

But maybe people should be more sad to see him go? Remember, he had a lot of great runs. Purdue 11' and Miami 12' were clinics.

And his Oklahoma run was basically where ND announced its dominance to the CFB world.

 

[Luckylucci]

It's going to be extremely hard for a RB in general to get into the first two rounds unless NFL teams view them as a every down RB. Cierre isn't going to be an every down back at the next level. He'll probably be a good complimentary back but another year doesn't put that value in the 2nd round. Remember a lot of the draft is about value.

 

[ThePiombino]

If Cierre wants to improve his draft status,all he needs is to have a good game against BAMA

While I don't agree that this is all it comes down to, I do think that having a dominant performance on a national stage against one of the best defenses in the country can only help. But then again, that might just raise Watt and Martin's stock more than anything...

 

[Luckylucci]

For some perspective. Last year the only situational rb's drafted in the first two rounds were David Wilson and lamichael James. I would say both had better college careers than wood even if he comes back. I would also say that both are probably at least a step or two faster

 

[gkIrish]

Cierre isnt going to be a 1600 yard back in NDs offense. There arent enough carries for that to happen.

In the big picture he isnt going to all of sudden blow teams away with by getting down to a 4.4, or massively improve his pass catching. Obviously he can get better, but for the NFL looks at there's nothing that he is going to all of a sudden improve something that hasnt already got him to this point. C could spend 20hrs in the weight room going 200% for the next 8months straight and he still wouldnt look like Trent Richardson. He is a back that would benefit from a fullback, and is deadly once he gets to the 2nd level.

The NFL is nothing like college. Its a business. Nothing is given so if you have a chance to get there. You take it and let the chips fall. He may come back but if you look at it from a business perspective there isnt a reason to comeback football wise or off the field. He has a chance to provide for his family reguardless of the contract bc its good money for someone in his situation.

I agree that he should leave for business reasons. But the question isn't whether he can become a top 10 pick like Trent Richardson. It's whether he can be the 4-5th back drafted as opposed to a late fourth to early 5th rounder.

If he can sneak into the 2nd round that puts pressure on the organization that drafts him to play him Year 1. Fans don't like to see first or second rounders riding the bench so it helps him see the field and therefore escalates his development and sets him up to get PAID sooner. If you get drafted in the 5th round, odds are you are stuck behind 2-3 good backs and you have to hope for injury to play.

As to the 1600 yards---ND RBs had bout 400 carries this year. Even if that number doesn't go up (it will...for reasons I don't feel like getting into) is it unreasonable to think Cierre will get 250 of those? He had 217 in 2011. There is no Jonas or Theo on this team next year. If he averages around 6.5 yards again that's 1625 right there.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I agree with TP that Cierre can't improve his stock as much as you think he can with another college season. Even if he improves statistically, which isn't guaranteed in a crowded backfield, I don't think that really matters. NFL teams aren't making draft decisions based on college stats. It's way more based on using measurables to project performance at the next level, and I don't know how much an extra year in college is going to improve his measurables. All another year in South Bend will do for him is increase his risk of injury before he starts getting paid and put another year's worth of mileage on his legs. He's going to be a graduate of Notre Dame with a family to provide for; hanging around college for another year isn't going to help him at all.

 

[ThePiombino]

I agree that he should leave for business reasons. But the question isn't whether he can become a top 10 pick like Trent Richardson. It's whether he can be the 4-5th back drafted as opposed to a late fourth to early 5th rounder.

If he can sneak into the 2nd round that puts pressure on the organization that drafts him to play him Year 1. Fans don't like to see first or second rounders riding the bench so it helps him see the field and therefore escalates his development and sets him up to get PAID sooner. If you get drafted in the 5th round, odds are you are stuck behind 2-3 good backs and you have to hope for injury to play.

As to the 1600 yards---ND RBs had bout 400 carries this year. Even if that number doesn't go up (it will...for reasons I don't feel like getting into) is it unreasonable to think Cierre will get 250 of those? He had 217 in 2011. There is no Jonas or Theo on this team next year. If he averages around 6.5 yards again that's 1625 right there.

Fans don't make personnel/depth chart decisions.

 

[gkIrish]

I agree with TP that Cierre can't improve his stock as much as you think he can with another college season. Even if he improves statistically, which isn't guaranteed in a crowded backfield, I don't think that really matters. NFL teams aren't making draft decisions based on college stats. It's way more based on using measurables to project performance at the next level, and I don't know how much an extra year in college is going to improve his measurables. All another year in South Bend will do for him is increase his risk of injury before he starts getting paid and put another year's worth of mileage on his legs. He's going to be a graduate of Notre Dame with a family to provide for; hanging around college for another year isn't going to help him at all.

After the 2011 season many people thought Cierre was a virtual lock to be a future 2nd rounder. What changed this year? He got less carries and Theo outshined him in most of the big games. Now he is a 4th-5th rounder. He didn't slow down and he didn't get less shifty. He got less "sexy" and question marks about his character have developed. He can fix that with one great year in college.

Again, I do think he should leave but not because he can't get better or improve his stock. TP began this conversation by saying there's "not 1 reason for him to stay." I just don't think that's true. Hell, he could win the Heisman (we are owed one)

 

[gkIrish]

Fans don't make personnel/depth chart decisions.

You don't think fans influence teams? Hell the entire Jets organization is a disaster because they think about selling tickets rather than what's good for their football team.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

You don't think fans influence teams? Hell the entire Jets organization is a disaster because they think about selling tickets rather than what's good for their football team.

Notre Dame will struggle to sell tickets unless Cierre Wood plays!

 

[Rocky2820]

After the 2011 season many people thought Cierre was a virtual lock to be a future 2nd rounder. What changed this year? He got less carries and Theo outshined him in most of the big games. Now he is a 4th-5th rounder. He didn't slow down and he didn't get less shifty. He got less "sexy" and question marks about his character have developed. He can fix that with one great year in college.

Again, I do think he should leave but not because he can't get better or improve his stock. TP began this conversation by saying there's "not 1 reason for him to stay." I just don't think that's true. Hell, he could win the Heisman (we are owed one)

I agree with the line of thinking around being a feature back. He did get replaced in that regard by Theo, and if I recall correctly Theo is projected as an early 4th round pick. The upside to returning would be if he would be the feature back and, thus, have more plentiful opportunities to showcase his game. That said, it might not be enough to warrant returning given a multitude of factors, including family considerations and the risk of injury, but I do not think it is a slam dunk decision. Per that 70/30 article attributed to his mother, she said that the risk of injury weighed on him somewhat later in the season, and I completely understand that.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's cute that people think NFL teams care that Cierre Wood got suspended for smoking.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not sure if serious because everything I read says that they do

 

[irishff1014]

It's cute that people think NFL teams care that Cierre Wood got suspended for smoking.

IT would be on thing if he had been caught mutiple times and always in trouble but thats the only time he has been in trouble that i can recall.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I would bet a majority of NFL players smoke.

 

[PraetorianND]

I would bet a majority of NFL players smoke.

What's your basis for that?

 

[Luckylucci]

I would bet there are plenty of guys that do but not too many that franchises are going to invest a lot of money into. Everything I read over the last couple of years is that more and more character studies are going into teams picks.

 

[scUM Hater]

I would bet there are plenty of guys that do but not too many that franchises are going to invest a lot of money into. Everything I read over the last couple of years is that more and more character studies are going into teams picks.

Unless your the Detroit Lions or Oakland Raiders.

 

[Luckylucci]

A good example of a prospects character or lack there of really hurting them is Vontaze Burfict last year. He was expected to be at least a 2nd rd pick who went to undrafted. That's a lot of lost money. Now to his credit he has seemed to definitely turn things around. He's playing and playing well but that's not the point. The conversation is about prospects character and his character lost him a lot of money.

 

[scUM Hater]

Here is my point. Could Cierre help himself by staying another year, almost positive. Will he make money if he leaves, positive. So, I guess he should leave. I just don't like the "gotta support a family" belief. Was his child just born? How has he been supporting his "family" up to this point? If that was truely the case, he should of dropped out of college and got a job.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

It's cute that people think NFL teams care that Cierre Wood got suspended for smoking.

I'm sure they don't care about Tyrann Mathieu smoking either. He's going top ten fur sure.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm sure they don't care about Tyrann Mathieu smoking either. He's going top ten fur sure.

Hahahaha you just compared Cierre Wood to Tyrann Mathieu? Holy sh*t that's the best thing I've read on this site.

 

[irishog77]

Hahahaha you just compared Cierre Wood to Tyrann Mathieu? Holy sh*t that's the best thing I've read on this site.

Not quite as good a read as the following:

It's cute that people think NFL teams care that Cierre Wood got suspended for smoking.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Not quite as good a read as the following:

It really hurt Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, and Amobi Okoye when they went top 10. It hurt Percy Harvin when he went in the 1st round. It hurt Mike Adams when he went in the 2nd. Weed is legal in the states for 2 NFL teams and that number is obviously going to rise until it is at 100%. These are early 20 year old college students, and many of them come from low-income areas. These are the kind of people who smoke marijuana. The only problem is that Wood actually got caught.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

It really hurt Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, and Amobi Okoye when they went top 10. It hurt Percy Harvin when he went in the 1st round. It hurt Mike Adams when he went in the 2nd. Weed is legal in the states for 2 NFL teams and that number is obviously going to rise until it is at 100%. These are early 20 year old college students, and many of them come from low-income areas. These are the kind of people who smoke marijuana. The only problem is that Wood actually got caught.

First off your proving you point is incorrect with Percy Harvin. He fell to 22nd with top 10 talent and it was reported that teams took him off of their board.

Second, you're equating admitting to marijuana use and testing positive for marijuana as the same thing. They're really not. If you test positive for marijuana you are either stupid, selfish, or addicted. They know they are going to be tested and know when they are going to be tested.

The fact is, his positive test will cause some teams(obviously not all) to downgrade him or remove him entirely from their boards.