Maryland, Rutgers to B1G?

[Old Man Mike]

To my eye, we're talking about the disappearance of the Big East as a football conference, not the disappearance of the ACC. Maryland is leaving; Pittsburgh and Syracuse are coming in. That alone could be viewed as an upgrade. The issue is whether Florida State wants to go for bigger stakes, and if it did [despite NOT being an attractive economic property currently], would that make others nervous?

My reading of the superconference waters is that with Miami being badly soiled linen, none of these "properties" is desired by any of the other conferences except VT [maybe Clemson], and they only MAYBE by the SEC [So. Carol., I believe, does not want Clemson in, just like Iowa did not want Iowa State in, although VTech itself would have internal interest there in joining the SEC]. I find it harder to believe that the B1G is interested in Georgia Tech, but maybe I'm wrong and the Atlanta market plays a strong role.

Replacing Maryland in the ACC scheme of things would involve Connecticut if location is a bigger deal, or Louisville if athletic prowess is wanted. USF could be the best combination of both [or UCF], particularly if FSU bolts. The point here is that there are plenty of ACC options, particularly since the other power conferences don't have much interest in the vast majority of their teams/properties.

Whether the ACC remains RESPECTED for football is their main issue as far as the sports world is concerned, and they have that problem already. VT must reascend and UNC as well. Pitt and Syracuse, I believe, are coming back. Heck, maybe even BC can find its feet again. Miami?? Five years out the ACC could be quite respectable football-wise.

 

[drayer54]

To my eye, we're talking about the disappearance of the Big East as a football conference, not the disappearance of the ACC. Maryland is leaving; Pittsburgh and Syracuse are coming in. That alone could be viewed as an upgrade. The issue is whether Florida State wants to go for bigger stakes, and if it did [despite NOT being an attractive economic property currently], would that make others nervous?

My reading of the superconference waters is that with Miami being badly soiled linen, none of these "properties" is desired by any of the other conferences except VT [maybe Clemson], and they only MAYBE by the SEC [So. Carol., I believe, does not want Clemson in, just like Iowa did not want Iowa State in, although VTech itself would have internal interest there in joining the SEC]. I find it harder to believe that the B1G is interested in Georgia Tech, but maybe I'm wrong and the Atlanta market plays a strong role.

Replacing Maryland in the ACC scheme of things would involve Connecticut if location is a bigger deal, or Louisville if athletic prowess is wanted. USF could be the best combination of both [or UCF], particularly if FSU bolts. The point here is that there are plenty of ACC options, particularly since the other power conferences don't have much interest in the vast majority of their teams/properties.

Whether the ACC remains RESPECTED for football is their main issue as far as the sports world is concerned, and they have that problem already. VT must reascend and UNC as well. Pitt and Syracuse, I believe, are coming back. Heck, maybe even BC can find its feet again. Miami?? Five years out the ACC could be quite respectable football-wise.

Va Tech should be a major target for the SEC. It holds a major new market. I agree that the gators don't want the noles coming their way.

To me, it's just a bad sign to see people leaving as ND is coming in. The Big 10 always looked like a more common sense move for the Irish and the Big 12 looked like a more competitive move, but the current rivalries aren't in the Big 12 territory.

If FSU or VA Tech were to bolt, that is the WVU of the Big East departing. It gets ugly after that.

 

[ND NYC]

On Urban Meyer's Ohio State, Wisconsin, and the Big Ten expanding to include Maryland and Rutgers - Grantland

this was written by a B1G grad no less...

 

[ND_Dubb]

To my eye, we're talking about the disappearance of the Big East as a football conference, not the disappearance of the ACC. Maryland is leaving; Pittsburgh and Syracuse are coming in. That alone could be viewed as an upgrade

I like what was said here, Maryland didn't get out of the ACC just to get out. That University was facing major budget deficits. School don't look good in the public eye when they have to turn away student athletes. When they cannot afford 8 Varsity programs. 7 got cut, Men's track and field raised $880,000 to continue to be able to compete. IMO I don't think Maryland leaves the ACC if they weren't is such financial trouble. People look at this and say "Well they just want to go with where the big bucks are." ( I don't know if anyone actually said that but ya get my point) IMO this was do or die for Maryland. You cannot continue to bring spend more on programs like football than what it actually brings in. Which is what they did in 2011. Maryland needed saving.. needed a redemption, The B1G gave that to them. Now on the Rutgers side of things, I do believe The Big East is done. Pitt, Syracuse is gone. Boise State is looking to go elsewhere possibly back to MWC other teams are looking into this option also. BYU, San Diego state. Noone wants to join a sick conference and that is exactly what the Big East currently is. Expect more realignments in the very near future. It's just a matter who offers who what?

 

[ND_Dubb]

If the ACC is "vulnerable" as Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski called it on Monday, what does that make the Big East?

Read More: Big East caught in the crossfire as conference realignment rages on - Pete Thamel - SI.com

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Wonder how long it'll take until the Pac-12 snaps up BYU and BSU. They don't really have many options geographically for expansion.

Texas is the only option that would really improve their media footprint, but with the recent grant of rights it transferred to the Big12, that probably can't happen for a long time now.

What do BYU and Boise State offer the Pac-12? Colorado gave them Denver and Utah gave them SLC. Boise State isn't a good school at all and would offer no other sports besides football. Boise State will never join one of the 5 major conferences because of this. Both of those schools are perfect for the MWC. If the Pac-12 expands it is because the Big XII died and Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, and Okie State are up for grabs. That's it.

 

[phork]

I fully believe that this heading in a bad direction for the ACC. $50mill is chump change to the boosters, especially if you got guys like the UnderArmour guy flipping the bill in one shot.

For the BIG10 its everything against what they chastised ND for doing. ND looks like the smartest in the room right now because no one inside the BIG10 wanted this disaster. They'll spin the academic story about research money and commonalities. In the end it was always about the money, and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
The NY market is a pro market. A poll was done in regards to college football viewership and like 10% said they watch it. Even less looked stuff up online. Sadly Fox will hold the cable companies over a barrel with the YES network and the BTN will get their pound of flesh. Predicting upwards of $42mill per team come next contract.

ND would have been better off heading to the BIG12 if it didn't want in the BIG10, or just resigning itself to the BIG10. The simple truth is that after the BigEast is pilfered dry, the ACC will be the next target. The SEC has expanded on its own terms and is cherry picking the teams they want, and the BIG12 is happy to stay at 10, for now.

Do not be surprised to see N. Carolina/Virginia head to the BIG10, Clemson and VT to the SEC and FSU/Miami to the Big12. Or some other bastard order.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Maybe this is where the 5 ACC games came from? I guess ND could technically join another conference for football (max 7 games) and still fulfill its ACC contract!

(kidding of course)

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Do not be surprised to see N. Carolina/Virginia head to the BIG10, Clemson and VT to the SEC and FSU/Miami to the Big12. Or some other bastard order.

That's a worst case scenario, in which 4 super-conferences emerge. I'm sure we would still land on our feet.

Some analysts think 5 power conferences of varying size is a more likely outcome now.

 

[PraetorianND]

I think the Big12 is going to make moves before teams start jumping back into the MWC.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If 4 super conferences does happen a lot of teams will be left out because the Pac-12 will not expand beyond 12.

 

[PraetorianND]

Both will happen. Boise State, San Diego State, and BYU will re-join the MWC, Louisville and Cincinnati will go to the Big 12, UConn will go to the ACC, and Memphis, USF, Houston, SMU, and UCF go back to Conference USA or the Sun Belt.

If the ACC loses FSU do you think they go after USF?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If 4 super conferences does happen a lot of teams will be left out because the Pac-12 will not expand beyond 12.

That's part of the reason 4 superconferences of 16 teams isn't very likely to happen right now. Geographic isolation will make it very hard for the Pac-12 to expand any further.

Thus, 5 power conferences of varying sizes. In that scenario, the ACC survives, but probably as the weakest conference.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I dunno, I don't see any of these conferences really wanting to go to 16. I think the B1G and SEC are done. The Pac 12 has no real options unless the Big 12 disintegrates. The Big 12 I'm sure wants to get back to 12, but only if its the right teams (ie, not Cincy), so something hinky might happen with them yet.

So the only real fear I have is the Big 12 taking FSU and someone else from the ACC and destabilizing it.

 

[Cali_domer]

Jeff Ermann ‏ @ insidemdsports
Still hearing informed talk that # UNC and # UVA are likely top choices for two more # BigTen spots. May have offers -- can't confirm that yet.

 

[phork]

 

[Fbolt]

If true, and IF it actually happens-would be the death of the ACC. ACC needs to do some revamping to get their numbers up!

 

[ND_Dubb]

San Diego State AD Sterk: Aztecs committed to Big East future - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and BCS Rankings

Read what Bronco Mendenhall said.. Is he complaining about the Access?

 

[dublinirish]

UNC in the Big Ten is all sorts of dumb, wouldnt they rather have Boston College or Cincy?

 

[ND_Dubb]

UNC in the Big Ten is all sorts of dumb, wouldnt they rather have Boston College or Cincy?

UNC new ground for the BTN to get money from, they already have a stake in Ohioish area, Boston College ehh, They could but why not aim for UConn if they want New England area. or U Mass lol. I think Rutgers is as far North East they want to go. I think Louisville wouldn't be to bad of a fit if they wanted to get that southern/midwest region im not really sure what Kentucky is considered ha.

 

[dublinirish]

UNC new ground for the BTN to get money from, they already have a stake in Ohioish area, Boston College ehh, They could but why not aim for UConn if they want New England area. or U Mass lol

if thats the case why not invite a school from FL, CA or TX?

 

[ND_Dubb]

if thats the case why not invite a school from FL, CA or TX?

I don't know, can't really think of anything off the top of my head. I think the ACC is safe for right now. Not many schools would be interested unless you wanna grab a Florida Atlantic or International and that just would be a fools move. UCF is a program on the rise.

 

[ND_Dubb]

ACC votes to add Louisville in 2014 to replace Maryland.

ACC votes to add Louisville in 2014 - chicagotribune.com

 

[Buster Bluth]

It's interesting that they opted not to go for Connecticut.

 

[ndfi78]

One writers opinion was that they can always get UConn, they are there for the taking whenever they want.

 

[blackirish]

This isn't happening. ACC voted in a $50 million exit fee right after we joined for all sports but football. Nobody can afford to take a hit like that, least of all Maryland. Not to mention that the B1G is the most profitable conference in the nation; bringing on programs like Rutgers and Maryland would result in less money for everyone.

Maryland is not going to pay that exit fee...The ACC needs to try to hold on to FSU/North Carolina

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Maryland is not going to pay that exit fee...The ACC needs to try to hold on to FSU/North Carolina

The ACC recently filed suit against Maryland for it. From what I've read, it's unlikely that they'll have to pay the whole $50m, but they'll get a big chunk.

In any case, the exit fee is apparently chump change compared to what Maryland will make in the B1G, so no problem for them.

 

[ND_Dubb]

The ACC recently filed suit against Maryland for it. From what I've read, it's unlikely that they'll have to pay the whole $50m, but they'll get a big chunk.

In any case, the exit fee is apparently chump change compared to what Maryland will make in the B1G, so no problem for them.

Kevin Plank CEO of Under Armour sold 9.5 Million worth of shares on Nov.4th on the 13th he sold another 1.3 Million worth. It is expected he will sell more in coming months. Wonder what for..

Also if you look up the NYSE history for the month of November, Under Armour stock prices have jumped since the announcement of Maryland moving to the B1G. Not a bad deal for Plank and UA to be that much closer to B1G schools.

Also don't hold me to this I think I read expected payout would be like 45-50 million per B1G team which is double what they get now. I believe 20-25 million something like that. If they would be paying its would surely hurt them in the short term. Luckily they have company's CEO worth 5+ Billion dollars on their side who would i'd imagine go to great lengths to help his Alma Mater and likely his own business

 

[phork]

Kevin Plank CEO of Under Armour sold 9.5 Million worth of shares on Nov.4th on the 13th he sold another 1.3 Million worth. It is expected he will sell more in coming months. Wonder what for..

Also if you look up the NYSE history for the month of November, Under Armour stock prices have jumped since the announcement of Maryland moving to the B1G. Not a bad deal for Plank and UA to be that much closer to B1G schools.

Also don't hold me to this I think I read expected payout would be like 45-50 million per B1G team which is double what they get now. I believe 20-25 million something like that. If they would be paying its would surely hurt them in the short term. Luckily they have company's CEO worth 5+ Billion dollars on their side who would i'd imagine go to great lengths to help his Alma Mater and likely his own business

He was stated as saying that money was not going to the Maryland buyout.

 

[ND_Dubb]

He was stated as saying that money was not going to the Maryland buyout.

Thanks for pointing it out. Here is an article on Plank and his choice not to bankroll the Maryland move. and I will correct myself HE is worth 1.35B UA's Market Cap is 5+B
Under Armour CEO Will Not Pay UMD's $50 Million ACC Exit Fee | InTheCapital

But here is an article on donations he has made to Maryland. Its Obvious he wants Maryland to be "decked out" anyway possible. Kevin Plank ends up helping Maryland either find funds through fundraising as UA has been known for not contributing directly but through fundraising. Plank hands Maryland an oversized check for a few million. It's a tax right off isn't? Maryland is a state school. IMO

Kevin Plank: Under Armour founder Kevin Plank has given generously to Maryland to help its sports teams keep up with the competition - Baltimore Sun