20 states look to secede from US

[irish4ever]

Yah so lets jam the presidents inbox with stupid crap like this instead of getting back to work and fixing everything.

I didn'teven realize that he ever started, unless you're counting him going "on tour" and going to talk shows!

 

[irishpat183]

Oh all those poor conservatives who got kicked out of their homes and have to live in settlements. Anyhow, your analogy is a terrible one. A better one might be the snotty rich kid taking his ball and going home.

If Texas wanted to succeed I'm all for it. No more of that the Cowboys are Americas team crap.

And even more of CA's businesses would move here.....We thank you every day for your contributions to our state economy.

 

[Cackalacky]

I would not be so worried about Texas invading Iraq, but Mexico invading Texas.

GoIrish has hit several points on the head. The amount of taxes required to start a new nation of texas would be mind boggling.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

1. The demographics of the state are going to change sooner rather than later. What happens when a majority of your new country wants to go the same direction as your old country did in our last election? Are you going to divide up into a whole bunch of county governments?

2. Consider for a moment that your new nation would have no ships, planes, tanks, soldiers, etc. Starting from scratch means you would have to pay for all those things. You don't think that the US would just spot you a defense do you? Oh, and all of those military bases in Texas are the property of the US government. They wouldn't just give them up, so you would likely have to build new ones. The day your new nation gets its independence it has absolutely zero standing defense. This will cost your new citizens a fortune. The taxes you would have to levy on your citizens would be astronomical. The GOP who call Texas home right now are balking at returning to the Clinton tax rates. Their heads would explode if you had to raise their taxes this much. This isn't even counting the money they would need to maintain their infrastructure without US help. Will Texans do some sort of buy out for all the investment that the US has made in their new nation? I mean, you don't just expect us to walk away from all that investment without some sort of compensation do you?

3. Yes, these are tough decisions. I don't think those who want to be their own country have really thought it through.

1. No. I don't care what party controls Texas as much as I want independence.

2. Yes, it will take at least months to develop an army capable of fighting off Mexico. This is not a big deterrent. I don't foresee any invasions during the interim, and even so, it's worth the risk.

3. Don't worry -- I've definitely thought this through. A lot.

I know this is hard, and you have a lot of questions. It's not you, it's me.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1. No. I don't care what party controls Texas as much as I want independence.

2. Yes, it will take at least months to develop an army capable of fighting off Mexico. This is not a big deterrent. I don't foresee any invasions during the interim, and even so, it's worth the risk.

3. Don't worry -- I've definitely thought this through. A lot.

I know this is hard, and you have a lot of questions. It's not you, it's me.

To you or IrishPat: if it happens and is official, can I live in your basement for a little while before i find my own place? I'll be like tom cruise in "far and away". Wanna put my flag in a piece of land before someone else snags it.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

To you or IrishPat: if it happens and is official, can I live in your basement for a little while before i find my own place? I'll be like tom cruise in "far and away". Wanna put my flag in a piece of land before someone else snags it.

If you like guest bedrooms with Dora the Exploradora everywhere, then comrade you are in luck!

 

[Bluto]

And even more of CA's businesses would move here.....We thank you every day for your contributions to our state economy.

Im sure all the tweakers are packing, unpacking and repacking their one bag and mobile meth labs as we speak. Lol.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Im sure all the tweakers are packing, unpacking and repacking their one bag and mobile meth labs as we speak. Lol.

That's how we fight the flu.

Researchers discover meth fights the flu | WTVR.com – Richmond News & Weather from WTVR Television CBS 6

 

[Bluto]

So here is how I would envision these events unfolding.

Texas succeeds. 6 months later Texas becomes a narco state much like most of northern Mexico. Irish Pat, Hustonian and Polish Leppy join the Texas version of the DEA only to be replaced by cheaper private contractors in the war against the Zetas. Hard pressed for work they come to California as migrant farmworkers and eventually meet up with my dad who convinces them to start to organize farm labor. The rest is history.

We could call the film version El Atzlan Shrugged.

 

[kmoose]

(2) The army would be funded through the general fund. We're only looking to defend the State, not invade Iraq. A state income tax can also be levied to replace the federal.

You couldn't even defend one f'in mission, and you expect us to believe that you would be able to defend the entire state?

 

[drayer54]

We could sell the twenty states to China for 16 Trillion Dollars?

Worth it!

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I wonder if those states would still want to seceded if Obama was a Republican not a Dem....I think not. Bunch of wankers.

Says the guy w 900T in his bank account. Dude, you could buy Texas. Reps.

 

[Bluto]

That's how we fight the flu.

Researchers discover meth fights the flu | WTVR.com – Richmond News & Weather from WTVR Television CBS 6

Good one! Lol. Sounds like an El Paso to Dallas Forth Worth express rickshaw service is not out of the question considering the results of this study.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

.... GAWWWDDD. What a thread....

There are no States petitioning for secession. There are citizens within states recruiting signatures for secession to send to Washington. Such petitions could be created by anyone on any topic, as is our civil right, but have no "standing" at all. Each administration does a thinktank among themselves to decide how they are going to handle such citizen petitions in terms of simply ignoring them or giving a public response. The current administration decided just as a guideline to respond to petitions containing over 25,000 signatures. This doesn't say what that response has to be because the petition has no legal standing. If petitioners start to attempt to bring court action [which can not succeed by definition in this particular issue] or petition to put something on an election ballot, such behavior MIGHT begin to come close to something actually legally serious. At least in such a latter case, the petitioners could claim that their state's electorate supported it in the majority. That might put it in analogy to the situation in Quebec.

These actions are either: a]politically inspired to attack the current administration [the chances that those petitioners would say that they actually hate America is around zero]; or b]. primal scream therapy for those who hate the current administration and who feel powerless to do anything. One can choose to join in such behavior, "understand" and sympathize with such behavior but do nothing, "be understanding" of people with frustrations while not buying their reasons, or view these people as unhelpful to the general progress and civility of society and express one's displeasure with them. All four sorts of Americans should realize that this is, however, nothing with any general nor legal force to it, unless it would develop into a movement "in the streets" a lot larger than it is now. It would have to become the conservative libertarian equivalent of the social movements of the 60s. And that would mean some violence and "civil disobedience".

I like OMM, guys

 

[Irish Houstonian]

You couldn't even defend one f'in mission, and you expect us to believe that you would be able to defend the entire state?

Yeah, well, this time it's personal...

 

[Irish YJ]

No president could ever actually let a state leave the Union.
As for why Texas (or any other state) shouldn't be allowed to leave- it's because every citizen of the US is guaranteed a certain set of constitutional rights. As long as there remains one citizen in Texas who wants to remain part of the US, the government has to protect those rights and the only way to do so is to keep the entire state in the union. States rights are often just a thinly veiled attempt to trample individual rights.

Same thing the UK said about Northern Ireland. Just saying.

I don't want any states to secede, but honestly if the majority (within the state) wants to go, hell I say let them. I don't like either side, but this election made clear the fact that these two parties are far apart, and will not work together. No now, and certainly not in the near future. I see this more as a problem with the government itself (both parties), not the people they represent.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Same thing the UK said about Ireland. ...

Fixed

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

According to Google, the pop. of Texas in 2011 was 25,674,681, so I'll consider them serious when the secession movement gets to about 5 million supporters.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Same thing the UK said about the United States ....

Double-fixed

 

[EddytoNow]

Sounds like a spoiled kid at a sandlot football game. My team's not winning so I'm going to take my ball and go home so nobody can play. Well, it doesn't work that way. The game will go on with or without you.

Elections have consequences and there's an orderly, civilized manner for replacing politicians who are no longer wanted. Grow up and quit embarrassing your state. Our founding fathers created a system for the orderly exchange of power. The people have voted. Accept the outcome.

Rick Perry made the same "secession" suggestion and he couldn't even get the support of his fellow Republicans.

 

[irishpat183]

So here is how I would envision these events unfolding.

Texas succeeds. 6 months later Texas becomes a narco state much like most of northern Mexico. Irish Pat, Hustonian and Polish Leppy join the Texas version of the DEA only to be replaced by cheaper private contractors in the war against the Zetas. Hard pressed for work they come to California as migrant farmworkers and eventually meet up with my dad who convinces them to start to organize farm labor. The rest is history.

We could call the film version El Atzlan Shrugged.

LOL! Awesome!....Except you mentioned "Farmworker" and "California" in the same sentence....Are you guys too worried about the enviroment to be farming? "Delta Smelt" ring a bell??

 

[irishpat183]

I wonder if those states would still want to seceded if Obama was a Republican not a Dem....I think not. Bunch of wankers.

Again...where were you in 2004 when the left pulled the same thing?

By the way, the west coast would be doing ALL of us a favor by breaking off. (but you can't take Vegas with you)

 

[Cackalacky]

I think all of those states will miss the roughly 1/3 of their budgets that are provided by the federal government. For Texas, it is something like $35 billion. Poof. Gone.......

 

[GoIrish41]

1. No. I don't care what party controls Texas as much as I want independence.

2. Yes, it will take at least months to develop an army capable of fighting off Mexico. This is not a big deterrent. I don't foresee any invasions during the interim, and even so, it's worth the risk.

3. Don't worry -- I've definitely thought this through. A lot.

I know this is hard, and you have a lot of questions. It's not you, it's me.

We are talking about raising, equiping and housing an army, not building a fake town like they did in Blazing Saddles. hwhateve

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Again...where were you in 2004 when the left pulled the same thing?

By the way, the west coast would be doing ALL of us a favor by breaking off. (but you can't take Vegas with you)

What do conservatives want from a place called "Sin City" grin:

 

[NDBoiler]

We are talking about raising, equiping and housing an army, not building a fake town like they did in Blazing Saddles. hwhateve

But can they pull a Number 6 on their enemies????

 

[Cackalacky]

We are talking about raising, equiping and housing an army, not building a fake town like they did in Blazing Saddles. hwhateve

"The Sherrif's a 'bell ringing'...... What is he saying?
"The Sherrif's a 'bell ringing'...... What?

 

[irishpat183]

Sounds like a spoiled kid at a sandlot football game. My team's not winning so I'm going to take my ball and go home so nobody can play. Well, it doesn't work that way. The game will go on with or without you.

Elections have consequences and there's an orderly, civilized manner for replacing politicians who are no longer wanted. Grow up and quit embarrassing your state. Our founding fathers created a system for the orderly exchange of power. The people have voted. Accept the outcome.

Rick Perry made the same "secession" suggestion and he couldn't even get the support of his fellow Republicans.

And are you familiar with that system? States can call a Constitutional Convention. Needs two thirds of the states, I believe.

 

[irishpat183]

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What do conservatives want from a place called "Sin City" grin:

We're all hypocrites...I'm just being upfront about it! LOL

 

[irishpat183]

I think all of those states will miss the roughly 1/3 of their budgets that are provided by the federal government. For Texas, it is something like $35 billion. Poof. Gone.......

We'd also be off the hook for all those getting those benefits...poof. gone! Move to Illinois.