Redshirt Frosh QBs; BCS Musing

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I only heard of "Johnny Football" two days ago.

 

[Irish YJ]

aTm is very high on there education and was another reason why most of Texas was scratching there head when they joined the SEC.

I have to put Johnny Football at the top here the passes he was making were incredibly accurate. That pass that he threw down the sidelines to swoop, fit it into eye of a needle, at a angle was awesome!!

Just on a side note did any of you see that the AP has Alabama at #4 come on???? Right now Georgia should be #4 hands down. The AP is going to continue to kiss Alabama's a@#.

UGA is over rated. I have seen them play tween the hedges twice this year. Saw Bama at UT. Doesn't matter really as they will both meet soon. My money is on Bama.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Why not? He's undefeated. Its about wins. The only stat that really matters.

Not it's just not.

 

[Redbar]

Was talking to someone about this tonight. Watched Nike's Quarterback a couple of times and the guy looks like Tom Brady, he doesn't miss a window, he's got touch, he doesn't miss a read, he runs the ball extremely well, they play lightning fast and I just don't see any first time starter mistakes. I would argue that EG is at least as talented as him and probably rated as high coming out of high school. What is the difference? Is Chip just better at coaching up a young quarterback? Is their offense simpler? I doubt all of that. I said this in a different thread about another team and I believe it is an issue- the 20 hour rule does not apply at some schools.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Was talking to someone about this tonight. Watched Nike's Quarterback a couple of times and the guy looks like Tom Brady, he doesn't miss a window, he's got touch, he doesn't miss a read, he runs the ball extremely well, they play lightning fast and I just don't see any first time starter mistakes. I would argue that EG is at least as talented as him and probably rated as high coming out of high school. What is the difference? Is Chip just better at coaching up a young quarterback? Is their offense simpler? I doubt all of that. I said this in a different thread about another team and I believe it is an issue- the 20 hour rule does not apply at some schools.

It has also been said that Everett has to put in a lot of effort to stay on par in the classroom, in fact, he had to sit the first series of the Miami game due to being late to practice because he lost track of time during a meeting with a professor. I know nothing about Mariota's scholastic prowess but I think it is fair to posit that ND is tougher school than Oregon, it is tougher to do well here than there, that more time on school means less on football, and less time on football means a slower learning curve. Expect a huge jump in Everett's understanding and running of the offense next year when he gets into his major and classes become less demanding and he can spend more of his own time in the film room.

 

[kmoose]

Was talking to someone about this tonight. Watched Nike's Quarterback a couple of times and the guy looks like Tom Brady, he doesn't miss a window, he's got touch, he doesn't miss a read, he runs the ball extremely well, they play lightning fast and I just don't see any first time starter mistakes. I would argue that EG is at least as talented as him and probably rated as high coming out of high school. What is the difference? Is Chip just better at coaching up a young quarterback? Is their offense simpler? I doubt all of that. I said this in a different thread about another team and I believe it is an issue- the 20 hour rule does not apply at some schools.

You are probably very correct. Let's not forget that athletes at many other schools aren't burdened by having to spend too much time on classes. How many times has Kelly said that Golson got limited reps in practice because he had a paper due, or a test? If Golson is having to miss practice time to make sure he passes his classes, then I am even more impressed with him; I like a guy that works as hard in the classroom, as he does on the field.

 

[Redbar]

It has also been said that Everett has to put in a lot of effort to stay on par in the classroom, in fact, he had to sit the first series of the Miami game due to being late to practice because he lost track of time during a meeting with a professor. I know nothing about Mariota's scholastic prowess but I think it is fair to posit that ND is tougher school than Oregon, it is tougher to do well here than there, that more time on school means less on football, and less time on football means a slower learning curve. Expect a huge jump in Everett's understanding and running of the offense next year when he gets into his major and classes become less demanding and he can spend more of his own time in the film room.

I totally agree with what you said but, I think it is more than just school is harder, there are only so many reps, so much film you can watch when there is a 20 hour work week, some of these kids' performances like the quarterback at Nike U seem like they are spending a lot more time than the allowed time working on football.

 

[irishog77]

I only heard of "Johnny Football" two days ago.

Apparently you don't watch and keep up with much college football then.

Dude's been seen and talked about quite a bit throughout the season, especially the last couple of weeks.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

aTm is very high on there education and was another reason why most of Texas was scratching there head when they joined the SEC.

I have to put Johnny Football at the top here the passes he was making were incredibly accurate. That pass that he threw down the sidelines to swoop, fit it into eye of a needle, at a angle was awesome!!

Just on a side note did any of you see that the AP has Alabama at #4 come on???? Right now Georgia should be #4 hands down. The AP is going to continue to kiss Alabama's a@#.

28 point loss at any point in the season should keep you out of the top 5, '06 ND squad included.

 

[ndfi78]

I totally agree with what you said but, I think it is more than just school is harder, there are only so many reps, so much film you can watch when there is a 20 hour work week, some of these kids' performances like the quarterback at Nike U seem like they are spending a lot more time than the allowed time working on football.

The players can watch as much film on their own as they want, there is no rule against that. It is coached practice/film study/etc that is restricted. They can also get together in a players only situation and practice together without issue.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Apparently you don't watch and keep up with much college football then.

Dude's been seen and talked about quite a bit throughout the season, especially the last couple of weeks.

He's the 2nd Freshman in FBS history to account for 2,000/1,000.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Apparently you don't watch and keep up with much college football then.

Dude's been seen and talked about quite a bit throughout the season, especially the last couple of weeks.

I actually watch a lot of college football games. I don't watch sports center anymore. I watch gameday a bit each week if I'm not busy. A&M hasn't been on national TV much if at all where I live.

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

Then Kellen Moore should have probably picked up a statue or two.

Difference though, Kellen Moore didn't play elite talent for 4 years, no statues for a player who played JV type competition . Yeah they scheduled the 3rd and 4th best teams in major conferences and beat them once in awhile, but no way Kellen's SOS compares. Don't get me wrong, Kellen was a helluva QB, but we'll never know.

 

[irishog77]

Difference though, Kellen Moore didn't play elite talent for 4 years, no statues for a player who played JV type competition . Yeah they scheduled the 3rd and 4th best teams in major conferences and beat them once in awhile, but no way Kellen's SOS compares. Don't get me wrong, Kellen was a helluva QB, but we'll never know.

I wasn't arguing that winning is the key factor, that's why I brought Moore up. Ultimate Penn St. Hater was the one arguing that wins is the key stat. If we base how good a QB is off of winning...then Moore should be the best. He isn't even in the conversation though, nor should he be. Is Terry Bradshaw 4x the QB Peyton Manning is? No way.

I only heard of "Johnny Football" two days ago.

I actually watch a lot of college football games. I don't watch sports center anymore. I watch gameday a bit each week if I'm not busy. A&M hasn't been on national TV much if at all where I live.

Are CBS and espn not "national TV" where you live?

 

[IrishLax]

The funniest thing to me about Manziel is that he was a low-mid 3 on every service but 247 who had him as a low 4 and around the ~200th recruit nationally. Coming from Texas... the mecca of overrated football prospects... did he not get the stars because Texas never offered? Overall poor offer sheet with 3 very intriguing offers outside of A&M:

1. Oregon - boy does Chip know how to pick them... originally committed to the Ducks.
2. Stanford - holy hell are we lucky that the Cardinal wasn't replacing Luck with this guy.
3. Baylor - because it's local or because they know QBs? To think they could've been replacing RGIII with another Heisman candidate.

 

[Cogs]

Golson will be a better QB than Manziel and Mariota in the future. Watch.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Golson will be a better QB than Manziel and Mariota in the future. Watch.

You think you might be a little biased?

 

[RallySonsOfND]

You think you might be a little biased?

Nah. lol

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

You think you might be a little biased?

Or high.

 

[In Lou I Trust]

Golson will be a better QB than Manziel and Mariota in the future. Watch.

Gonna be tough to do from the bench when Kiel takes the rei[g]ns.

 

[Redbar]

The players can watch as much film on their own as they want, there is no rule against that. It is coached practice/film study/etc that is restricted. They can also get together in a players only situation and practice together without issue.

That is how I understand the rule, also. I don't think Rich Rod read it that way, so... it happens. I also understand that in recruiting you should not be paying a third party for their influence on recruits, however, the good people at Nike U, apparently skimmed over that part. I'm just saying, of all the rules that a team could break, the 20 hour rule is probably the easiest to bend and also could potentially reap the most benefit to the program week in and week out. Ultimately I am not sure I trust Chip Kelly's moral compass.

 

[chubler]

To tell you the truth I'm not that impressed with Mariota. It seems to me that he's essentially playing point guard chucking the ball to the open man every 3rd or 4th play against defenses that are sold out to stop the run. No one has put any pressure on him to this point. Until he makes plays under pressure (like Johnny Football did play after play against Bama) i dont think you can say much more for him than he's a game manager.

 

[Redbar]

To tell you the truth I'm not that impressed with Mariota. It seems to me that he's essentially playing point guard chucking the ball to the open man every 3rd or 4th play against defenses that are sold out to stop the run. No one has put any pressure on him to this point. Until he makes plays under pressure (like Johnny Football did play after play against Bama) i dont think you can say much more for him than he's a game manager.

If I wanted to take issue with your post, I couldn't after seeing your avatar photo. Clearly you get "it".

That and being from Wisconsin= Reps!

 

[ickythump1225]

To tell you the truth I'm not that impressed with Mariota. It seems to me that he's essentially playing point guard chucking the ball to the open man every 3rd or 4th play against defenses that are sold out to stop the run. No one has put any pressure on him to this point. Until he makes plays under pressure (like Johnny Football did play after play against Bama) i dont think you can say much more for him than he's a game manager.

Well that's why I'm not sold on Oregon just yet. I want to see how they perform in a close game under pressure. I have a hunch they'd fold up.

 

[ND_Dubb]

Marcus Mariota- 10 games 251 attempts 180 completions PCT. 71.7 2164 yards 8.6 yards/att
28 td's 5 int rating 176.96

Johnny Manziel- 10 games 336 attempts 227 completions Pct. 67.6 2780 yards 8.3 yards/att 18 td's 6 int rating 151.17

Everett Golson- 9 games 226 attempts 131 completions Pct. 58.0 1572 yards 7.0 yards/att
8 td's 4 int rating 124.54

Just some stats I thought id throw out there. There all freshman on the field, I don't think any of them have hit their ceiling or even near it for that matter. Golson statistically has the most room for improvement. HOWEVER depending on the recruiting power of A&M and the ability to bring elite receivers and backs within the program in the next few years. Texas A&M could be a very scary opponent for any team. Manziel and Golson keeps plays alive with their feet when put under pressure. Mariota hasn't been put under pressure yet seeing how Stanford will be the first top 20 defense the ducks will have played this year.

All Stats and any other stats that might float your boat can be found here. cfbstats.com - College Football Statistics

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Golson has the most upside because of his arm strength. It's really that simple. Manziel's arm is not that strong, but he looks quite accurate. Mariota is impressive, but a system babby. He could not pass the ball in a pro style.

 

[ND_Dubb]

Golson has the most upside because of his arm strength. It's really that simple. Manziel's arm is not that strong, but he looks quite accurate. Mariota is impressive, but a system babby. He could not pass the ball in a pro style.

I see where your coming from but all of Oregon offense is really about the System, alot of teams are about the system, SVP had Kenjon Barner on his show over the phone today he said himself they have to go hand in hand. The right talent being put into the right system, if you have a talented pro style qb but running the ball is far from his talents and you put him into a spread advanced as Oregon then you have made a hefty amount of plays obsolete. Kelly had such success at University of Cincinnati because Tony Pike fit into his system just as I believe Golson fits into his system now. Golson is very talented and importantly YOUNG which allows him to improve technique and grow overall as quarterback.