Who is Likely Next (2013)

[BleedBlueGold]

See Slaughter's thread.

True the staff probably wouldn't let the doghouse affect the decision to bring him back.

But it is being discussed at length in Slaughter's thread that the staff is working to get him his 6th year.

Ah, I was unaware. I hadn't read the updates yet. Thanks.

I agree then. I'd rather have Slaughter back. His experience is crucial to helping our green defense next year. Wooly's right, go for the next stud safety in '14 and keep Jamoris (if it's granted and if he accepts).

 

[DomeLover3]

Yeah. Thats a great point. The leadership, stability, flexibility and talent Slaughter would provide is too good to pass up for a safety when there are more studs in the next class... So would you rather bring back 5 fifth years and finish our recruiting with AQM? I think that'd be a nice way to round out the class.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Watt
Martin
Wood (if available)
Slaughter (if available)
1 of Fox/Carlo

I personally think it's crucial to bring back one of the ILBs (if not both) for the same reason we want Slaughter back. I really don't feel comfortable having two new Starters at ILB. Losing Manti will hurt not only because of his physical abilities, but how well he quarterbacks our defense. We need to keep some of that valuable experience on the field to maintain an elite D, imo. Slaughter brings it to the secondary while Fox/Carlo bring it in the middle.

 

[Irishnuke]

Maybe I'm crazy, but no way do I pass on Redfield to bring back and injury prone Slaughter for one year.

 

[PraetorianND]

Maybe I'm crazy, but no way do I pass on Redfield to bring back and injury prone Slaughter for one year.

I'm kinda leaning this way.

 

[woolybug25]

Maybe I'm crazy, but no way do I pass on Redfield to bring back and injury prone Slaughter for one year.

Yeah, to each their own, but I think its a no brainer to bring back Slaughter. The guy is a stud with a ton of experience. He could be the leader of a young secondary and he is a proven guy. There is no guarantee that Redfield would even be ready to play on a high level. Not every kid is KRussell.

There will be stud safeties in next class. We will have a young defense next year, we can use all of the proven play, experience and leadership we can get.

Plus, Slaughter has been a big part of this program for a long time and not letting him return kills any chances he has of salvaging his career and getting to the NFL. Before his injury, he looked like a draftable prospect. It would be really crappy of this staff to end his dreams if he is capable of returning.

PS - I remember last year when I said that I would be fine letting KLM go if it meant we got Armstead. How stupid does that sound now? This is the same situation.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Yeah, to each their own, but I think its a no brainer to bring back Slaughter. The guy is a stud with a ton of experience. He could be the leader of a young secondary and he is a proven guy. There is no guarantee that Redfield would even be ready to play on a high level. Not every kid is KRussell.

There will be stud safeties in next class. We will have a young defense next year, we can use all of the proven play, experience and leadership we can get.

Plus, Slaughter has been a big part of this program for a long time and not letting him return kills any chances he has of salvaging his career and getting to the NFL. Before his injury, he looked like a draftable prospect. It would be really crappy of this staff to end his dreams if he is capable of returning.

PS - I remember last year when I said that I would be fine letting KLM go if it meant we got Armstead. How stupid does that sound now? This is the same situation.

Idk if it's the same situation exactly. That was a 2 for 1 deal potentially. I don't recall my stance on that subject, but I do know I really wanted the Armsteads at ND. You should cut yourself some slack. KLM is a boss though, so I'm glad things worked out the way they did.

 

[connor_in]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not.../76736-notre-dame-commits-all-star-games.html

Thx for the quick compilation skills my good man!

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah, to each their own, but I think its a no brainer to bring back Slaughter. The guy is a stud with a ton of experience. He could be the leader of a young secondary and he is a proven guy. There is no guarantee that Redfield would even be ready to play on a high level. Not every kid is KRussell.

There will be stud safeties in next class. We will have a young defense next year, we can use all of the proven play, experience and leadership we can get.

Plus, Slaughter has been a big part of this program for a long time and not letting him return kills any chances he has of salvaging his career and getting to the NFL. Before his injury, he looked like a draftable prospect. It would be really crappy of this staff to end his dreams if he is capable of returning.

PS - I remember last year when I said that I would be fine letting KLM go if it meant we got Armstead. How stupid does that sound now? This is the same situation.

Letting Redfield go would really upset me, as he seems like not just a great player but a real RKG, but nevertheless I have to agree with Wooly. If faced with a choice between Redfield and Slaughter, I think you have to go with the guy who has proven that he is an A player in our secondary.

Hopefully we could find a way to take both. I know we are all impatient to see what happens with our fifth-years but we just have to wait and see.

 

[aubeirish]

I thought Kelly said it was unlikely that he would be granted the medical 6th year. Did I dream that or is there any real news on that front?
Regardless, you can't pass up on a guy like Redfield. Great size, great speed, a playmaker, hits like a truck, and seems like an impressive young man off field. You just have watch the tape for 30 seconds.

Regarding Slaughter, you have to take him back you if can. He is one your defensive captain, and an instant contributor assuming his recovery is going well.

Therefore, you have to take them both.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He could be the leader of a young secondary and he is a proven guy.

This bears repeating. I strongly doubt that our secondary would have played so well this year without Motta's veteran leadership back there. He's constantly getting guys lined up correctly and calling out coverages.

Our young guys simply can't do that yet. Bringing Slaughter back is a no brainer.

This also happens to be the best argument for bringing back both Carlo and Fox, too. If Carlo is ready to "quarterback" the front-7, and Grace isn't, you've gotta bring him back. Te'o is fantastic in this regard, and if our next MLB can't hack the leadership skills and pre-snap shifts, our defense will take a big step back.

 

[DomeLover3]

The Slaughter thread is discussing that the staff is working to get him a 6th year. I assume its still a longshot, but the staff is working... I would take Slaughter over Redfield. See Wooly's posts for why

 

[Emcee77]

I thought Kelly said it was unlikely that he would be granted the medical 6th year. Did I dream that or is there any real news on that front?
Regardless, you can't pass up on a guy like Redfield. Great size, great speed, a playmaker, hits like a truck, and seems like an impressive young man off field. You just have watch the tape for 30 seconds.

Regarding Slaughter, you have to take him back you if can. He is one your defensive captain, and an instant contributor assuming his recovery is going well.

He did say that, but apparently he also said last night that compliance hasn't given up on it. The rumor on the Slaughter thread was that he had a lingering high school injury which caused him to redshirt his freshman year. If that's true, we may have a decent argument. (Under NCAA rules, you have to have lost more than a year to hardship for the five-year rule to be waived.)

This bears repeating. I strongly doubt that our secondary would have played so well this year without Motta's veteran leadership back there. He's constantly getting guys lined up correctly and calling out coverages.

Our young guys simply can't do that yet. Bringing Slaughter back is a no brainer.

This also happens to be the best argument for bringing back both Carlo and Fox, too. If Carlo is ready to "quarterback" the front-7, and Grace isn't, you've gotta bring him back. Te'o is fantastic in this regard, and if our next MLB can't hack the leadership skills and pre-snap shifts, our defense will take a big step back.

Hear, hear. Agreed on both counts.

 

[AFisch86]

It really is a mute point considering the staff is obviously trying to get him the 6th year. They have already made their decision and I have full faith in the staff. With that said please don't forget that we have had "leaders" and "veterans" in the secondary for the past few seasons and to be frank.....nothing to brag about....much to complain about. I think this year proves that it might be better to have athleticism than experience. IMO of course!

 

[woolybug25]

It really is a mute point considering the staff is obviously trying to get him the 6th year. They have already made their decision and I have full faith in the staff. With that said please don't forget that we have had "leaders" and "veterans" in the secondary for the past few seasons and to be frank.....nothing to brag about....much to complain about. I think this year proves that it might be better to have athleticism than experience. IMO of course!

Yup... that 1st round safety from last year was soooo overrated...

 

[McGlovin]

Taking all of these 5th year guys seems like people are buying into the "We wanna win now." sort of philosophy. In terms of Notre Dame being a better team in the years to come and being that perennial powerhouse that we all long for them to be, it would be foolish to take Slaughter, Fox, and Calabrese over the prospects of Redfield, Mack, AQM, Isaac Sav, Treadwell, Robinson, and a host of other potential verbals and longshots. It seems as though the general perspective amongst board members is to win now and take the 5th years, as opposed to playing the lottery so to speak and taking the high end prospects in hopes of having a Bama-esque powerhouse team for years to come.

 

[woolybug25]

Taking all of these 5th year guys seems like people are buying into the "We wanna win now." sort of philosophy. In terms of Notre Dame being a better team in the years to come and being that perennial powerhouse that we all long for them to be, it would be foolish to take Slaughter, Fox, and Calabrese over the prospects of Redfield, Mack, AQM, Isaac Sav, Treadwell, Robinson, and a host of other potential verbals and longshots. It seems as though the general perspective amongst board members is to win now and take the 5th years, as opposed to playing the lottery so to speak and taking the high end prospects in hopes of having a Bama-esque powerhouse team for years to come.

First of all, we got the powerhouse defense we have now by keeping 5th year guys like KLM. So the bolded statement above doesn't ring true.

Furthermore, it's easy for schools like Bama to play the "lottery" with players because they can oversign. If we didn't take back Slaughter and Redfield pulled a Deion Walker on us, then we would be taking a significant hit next year.

Again... sometimes people act like there wont be studs in the next class. If we kept Slaughter, then safety depth isn't nearly a concern for this class.

 

[AFisch86]

Yeah you're right. Last year's secondary was a lot better than this years??? I know most p people will say the front 7 this year is mostly to thank for the secondary's success and I would have to agree to some extent. The fact is our corners never turned their heads around to look for the ball and got embarrassed multiple times. I'm not going to sit here and argue about how disappointing our secondary was last year because I'm too much of fan to do that. Any unbiased person knows last year vs this year's secondary is night and day.

 

[woolybug25]

Yeah you're right. Last year's secondary was a lot better than this years??? I know most p people will say the front 7 this year is mostly to thank for the secondary's success and I would have to agree to some extent. The fact is our corners never turned their heads around to look for the ball and got embarrassed multiple times. I'm not going to sit here and argue about how disappointing our secondary was last year because I'm too much of fan to do that. Any unbiased person knows last year vs this year's secondary is night and day.

and what exactly does corner play from last season have to do with safety play from last year (which was very good)?

 

[Golden Glory]

Grace will be an upperclassman next year and Diaco gushed praises about all his attributes earlier in the year. If Grace is what Diaco says he should start at ILB next year.
Moore should be able to fill Carlo's roll as a thumper in the run game.

There is usually a transfer or two and there could be a decommit or two. There should be room for both Slaughter and Redfield. In a perfect world Slaughter schooling Redfield for a year would have big benifits. I don't see us passing on Redfield if he wants in. And I see us accepting one of the three offensive playmakers we're pursuing.

 

[AFisch86]

We had 2 senior corners who I would consider leaders for the team that is obviously part of the secondary. I must have stated secondary 10 times. I'm not attacking Slaughter or any individual. I'm simply stating I would take this year's secondary over the veteran group of last year and that I don't think Slaughter will be any more missed than he is this year with all that young talent getting better everyday and more experienced.

 

[McGlovin]

First of all, we got the powerhouse defense we have now by keeping 5th year guys like KLM. So the bolded statement above doesn't ring true.

Furthermore, it's easy for schools like Bama to play the "lottery" with players because they can oversign. If we didn't take back Slaughter and Redfield pulled a Deion Walker on us, then we would be taking a significant hit next year.

Again... sometimes people act like there wont be studs in the next class. If we kept Slaughter, then safety depth isn't nearly a concern for this class.

What's interesting is that according to virtually every recruiting site that matters, ND is ahead of basically every SEC team in terms of their 2013 Class...which is f'n awesome. In terms of the SEC teams being able to oversign (which is ridiculous and totally slug-like from a moral perspective), I feel like BK and Co. will almost have to roll the dice a little more on the recruiting trail. Sure, guys like Slaughter and Fox have proven their worth, and that they're good players, Slaughter maybe borderline great. Whereas players like Redfield, Mack Alexander, Treadwell, and a host of others have the potential to be great to borderline elite. Once again, I guess I kind of feel that ND almost has to "roll the dice" a little given their built-in handicap (following the rules and not using Nazi tactics to sign players).

 

[woolybug25]

We had 2 senior corners who I would consider leaders for the team that is obviously part of the secondary. I must have stated secondary 10 times. I'm not attacking Slaughter or any individual. I'm simply stating I would take this year's secondary over the veteran group of last year and that I don't think Slaughter will be any more missed than he is this year with all that young talent getting better everyday and more experienced.

No one is arguing whether we would trade this secondary for last years, but what we are saying is that Slaughter wasn't part of the corner play problems of last year. In fact, he stood out last year in the secondary and looked to be even better this year before his injury. I don't think that you will find many people on here agree with you that our secondary wouldn't be better this year with Slaughter playing.

Bottom line, no freshman is going to outplay Slaughter next year. Nor would any of the young guys currently on our roster. I would argue that if Slaughter was playing right now, he would be the best player on our secondary this year.

 

[AFisch86]

Agree to disagree.

 

[PraetorianND]

What's interesting is that according to virtually every recruiting site that matters, ND is ahead of basically every SEC team in terms of their 2013 Class...which is f'n awesome. In terms of the SEC teams being able to oversign (which is ridiculous and totally slug-like from a moral perspective), I feel like BK and Co. will almost have to roll the dice a little more on the recruiting trail. Sure, guys like Slaughter and Fox have proven their worth, and that they're good players, Slaughter maybe borderline great. Whereas players like Redfield, Mack Alexander, Treadwell, and a host of others have the potential to be great to borderline elite. Once again, I guess I kind of feel that ND almost has to "roll the dice" a little given their built-in handicap (following the rules and not using Nazi tactics to sign players).

I believe the SEC changed their recruiting rules to limit over signing.

Derek Dooley blasts SEC’s new over-signing rules | AJC College Sports Recruiting

B1G pleased with SEC oversigning change - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

 

[woolybug25]

Agree to disagree.

I don't even know what you are agreeing to disagree about...

 

[McGlovin]

No one is arguing whether we would trade this secondary for last years, but what we are saying is that Slaughter wasn't part of the corner play problems of last year. In fact, he stood out last year in the secondary and looked to be even better this year before his injury. I don't think that you will find many people on here agree with you that our secondary wouldn't be better this year with Slaughter playing.

Bottom line, no freshman is going to outplay Slaughter next year. Nor would any of the young guys currently on our roster. I would argue that if Slaughter was playing right now, he would be the best player on our secondary this year.

Slaughter isn't going to be granted a 6th year, most likely. I would bet vbucks, if only I owned some.

While I think the secondary would be marginally better with Slaughter, I also think his ship has sailed, and that it'd be wise to take high-end prospects such as Redfield as opposed to bringing him back, assuming he's granted eligibility.

 

[Luckylucci]

Keep it classy SEC. I am of the mind set that if a guy like Jamoris wants to come back and can you take him. He is significantly better the Mathias who is playing his position right now. There is a reason that if Jamoris stayed healthy he would have been drafted into the NFL and Mathias was his backup. Now with that being said mathias has played much better than I expected but to say you would rather have him not come back is a little crazy. Did you watch what he did to FSU in the bowl game last year?

 

[woolybug25]

Agree to disagree.

Slaughter isn't going to be granted a 6th year, most likely. I would bet vbucks, if only I owned some.

While I think the secondary would be marginally better with Slaughter, I also think his ship has sailed, and that it'd be wise to take high-end prospects such as Redfield as opposed to bringing him back, assuming he's granted eligibility.

Whats with all of the Noob ridiculousness going on today?

You two are showing your noobness.

I have a headache talking to you two...

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[AFisch86]

We all watch the same games. You're showing your hard on for Slaughter.