'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[CarrollVermin]

So we should play a guy who knows what play to call and what the defense is doing and STILL throws int's? I would rather the kid throw a pick because he DIDN'T know what the d was doing.

Yeah, thats a tough one to call. But, your error rate will increase when you don't know what you are doing. So, if Tommy had turnovers when he knew what he was doing, what do you expect a rookie to do when he doesn't know what he is doing?

I am just surprised that it has taken BK this long to develop a QB. He did not seem to have this problem after year one at Cincy.

 

[Irish YJ]

It will all play out. I trust BK. Part of being a coach is getting young guys ready and transitioned. If BK blows the QB situation again this year, hello hot seat. Not saying he's bounced, but the temp rises significantly.

 

[kmoose]

How do you know that?

Because they haven't started a single game, despite Rees' struggles?

 

[CarrollVermin]

Because they haven't started a single game, despite Rees' struggles?

Yeah, that is pretty telling too.

 

[Irish YJ]

Because they haven't started a single game, despite Rees' struggles?

So I guess superior potential should never be given a chance to overcome mediocre experience? Not trying to be an @$$, but we have to trust the coach to teach, evaluate based on fact and data, and make an informed decision.

We know what we get with TR. Great team player with experience, but a lower ceiling from a pure skill perspective. I'm not a TR hater, but I do hate TOs, and I do believe we have more talented guys. Leaving those talented guys in storage does not provide potential for growth, nor does it provide opportunity to BK to run the O he wants to run.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Because they haven't started a single game, despite Rees' struggles?

So we're just assuming everyone is the exact same player they were at the end of the FSU game? Maybe we should let them know so next year they don't waste all that time during the spring and summer.

Also, just to demonstrate the flaw in this logic, either Golson or Hendrix will start against Navy. So does that automatically put to bed the idea that they have work to do in terms of mastering the offense? I am not saying that they do or don't "get it," I'm just saying you don't know that they don't at this point.

 

[CarrollVermin]

So we're just assuming everyone is the exact same player they were at the end of the FSU game? Maybe we should let them know so next year they don't waste all that time during the spring and summer.

Also, just to demonstrate the flaw in this logic, either Golson or Hendrix will start against Navy. So does that automatically put to bed the idea that they have work to do in terms of mastering the offense? I am not saying that they do or don't "get it," I'm just saying you don't know that they don't at this point.

No, we don't make those assumptions in the least. Everyone, especially given BK's preaching of "player development" should be miles ahead of where they were last year. We don't know what we are going to get, but for me, I would rather have someone with three years in the offensive system who understands the game, who, like the other QB's will have a chance to "develop" and gain better decision making skills.

I don't want to move back to square one...no starting experience and a limited knowledge of the offense. I would rather have someone who has a greater ability to attack a defense because the playbook isn't limited by his experience. I know that neither Golson nor Hendrix have any quality playing experience (yes, Hendrix played towards the end of the year); the question is, does this lack of experience cause issues with our offensive attack.

BK himself said that neither QB was very good in 11 on 11 yesterday...and we only have three weeks before the opening game.

 

[Irish YJ]

If we are going to use practice as a an indicator, we do know who preformed best in the spring game.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Yeah, I would prefer a greater measure of consistency than a few snaps in a spring game.

 

[Irish YJ]

Consistent TOs .
Beleive me, I know what you are saying. Transitioning to a new QB is always a risk, and always a pain. It fundamentally comes down to trusting the coach to teach, evaluate, and decide. All of us are arm chair coaches, so doing my best to have faith in BK and staff.

 

[ndfi78]

So we're just assuming everyone is the exact same player they were at the end of the FSU game? Maybe we should let them know so next year they don't waste all that time during the spring and summer.

Doesn't this statement lend credence to the thought that Rees might have solved some of his turnover issues? If I remember right both Quinn and Clausen had about the same turnover levels their sophomore years as Rees.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Doesn't this statement lend credence to the thought that Rees might have solved some of his turnover issues? If I remember right both Quinn and Clausen had about the same turnover levels their sophomore years as Rees.

Clausen and Quinn played on inferior teams, and they also had clear physical tools that just needed to be sharpened.

Rees played on the most talented Notre Dame team since Holtz's days, and made it clear that he was a three-star talent.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Clausen and Quinn played on inferior teams, and they also had clear physical tools that just needed to be sharpened.

Rees played on the most talented Notre Dame team since Holtz's days, and made it clear that he was a three-star talent.

I don't want to agree with this, but don't see much wrong with what you said. Yes, he made some bonehead decisions, but given the number of starts that he had, was that not to be expected?

 

[Rocket89]

Rees may be done. He will likely fill in due to injuries at some point over the rest of his career, but I think the staff is moving in a different direction.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Rees may be done. He will likely fill in due to injuries at some point over the rest of his career, but I think the staff is moving in a different direction.

What are you basing this on? One practice? So the first day of full pads he doesn't take any tangible snaps...maybe BK understands that TR can't play against Navy and he has 3 weeks to get someone else ready. This does not mean that TR won't come back and play in week 2.

 

[NDdomer2]

BK said that the play distribution has been the same all through camp, which means Rees hasn't been taking meaningful practice reps for a week now.

CV, I understand that you favor Tommy getting another chance, and put most of your stock in game experience and knowledge, but how can a younger, more talented kid get the knowledge and experience if you don't throw him in with the wolves the same way we did Rees.

Think how good Golson will be after starting a whole season if he is already getting the nod with absolutely ZERO game experience.

 

[Zbi]

What are you basing this on? One practice? So the first day of full pads he doesn't take any tangible snaps...maybe BK understands that TR can't play against Navy and he has 3 weeks to get someone else ready. This does not mean that TR won't come back and play in week 2.

Although entirely possible, I now see this as being very unlikely. Rees is no longer in the race to start. When BK decided to give him no snaps that was an indication to me that he is done. It is going to be Golson or Hendrix all year if they both remain healthy. TR made to many mistakes last year. In addition to that he got into trouble with the law, which put a fork in him, he is done.

 

[Rhode Irish]

You have to put the most talented players on the field. You can't always defer to experience; otherwise, you'll always be handcuffed. There is no way for Golson to get experience without an opportunity to get on the field.

We have no idea where Golson is right now with respect to the playbook, but if he plays then we can assume that he has enough of it. In my opinion, the talent gap between Rees and Golson (and the other two QBs for that matter) is so immense that no amount of playbook knowledge or game experience could overcome it.

We have no idea if Golson will make mistakes due to his lack of experience or if he will be limited in the offense. But even if he does make mistakes, how does that make him different than Rees? Rees's turnover issues are due to a talent deficit. If Golson makes some mental mistakes that lead to turnovers, at least that is correctable (unlike a lack of skill). And he will make enough positive plays to more than make up for it.

 

[Rocket89]

What are you basing this on? One practice? So the first day of full pads he doesn't take any tangible snaps...maybe BK understands that TR can't play against Navy and he has 3 weeks to get someone else ready. This does not mean that TR won't come back and play in week 2.

Nope, not just one practice.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

IMO Old Man Mike summed-it-up most succinctly

It is interesting that 5 days into camp Tommy has been very limited in his snaps (read: none); that should not be a Navy-game related issue as I really doubt Kelly/Martin are focused on the Navy game planning at this point. While it is important for Everett and Andrew to get considerable experience with the offense to be ready for September 1, I really can't fathom Kelly/Martin completely removing Tommy from throws this early in camp if it wasn't more substantive than just prep for the Navy game. Tommy has experience, but not enough to overcome getting limited activities in Fall Camp if he is the presumptive favorite for Kelly as the starter after Navy.

The only thing that would cause me to believe that Tommy's spot on the depth chart hasn't slipped would be if the limited reps were an unstated part of Tommy's pennance for the summer alcohol issues; but, Carlo Calabrese has been practicing.

All speculation on my part.

 

[PraetorianND]

You have to put the most talented players on the field. You can't always defer to experience; otherwise, you'll always be handcuffed. There is no way for Golson to get experience without an opportunity to get on the field.

We have no idea where Golson is right now with respect to the playbook, but if he plays then we can assume that he has enough of it. In my opinion, the talent gap between Rees and Golson (and the other two QBs for that matter) is so immense that no amount of playbook knowledge or game experience could overcome it.

We have no idea if Golson will make mistakes due to his lack of experience or if he will be limited in the offense. But even if he does make mistakes, how does that make him different than Rees? Rees's turnover issues are due to a talent deficit. If Golson makes some mental mistakes that lead to turnovers, at least that is correctable (unlike a lack of skill). And he will make enough positive plays to more than make up for it.

I hope he plays like he did at the Spring game. If he does that, we should be ok.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Yeah except the real playbook is about 50x more complicated, as are the defenses.

and the play clock is more of an issue

 

[NDdomer2]

Let's not forget what BK said in his presser yesterday about Golson/Hendrix taking over 215 reps in live 11 on 11 play. An avg game is around 80 offensive plays. Coach Kelly knows these guys need game experience and his change to more 11 on 11 periods is him giving those two the closest thing he can. In 4 practices each qb has played over 1 whole game (100 11v11 reps) and if they keep that ratio going forward they will have had over 650 reps each, or about 8 simulated game reps against a pretty good defense by the time they leave for Dublin.....

 

[NYMIKE6]

Let's not forget what BK said in his presser yesterday about Golson/Hendrix taking over 215 reps in live 11 on 11 play. An avg game is around 80 offensive plays. Coach Kelly knows these guys need game experience and his change to more 11 on 11 periods is him giving those two the closest thing he can. In 4 practices each qb has played over 1 whole game (100 11v11 reps) and if they keep that ratio going forward they will have had over 650 reps each, or about 8 simulated game reps against a pretty good defense by the time they leave for Dublin.....

Liking this^^^^ I hope they really start to dial up blitzes, rolling coverages and getting after Golson.... Make this as real as possible without the bone crushing hits...

 

[pkt77242]

Awkward QB situation at Notre Dame

Good to see that Tommy is giving Golson some pointers and helping him out.

 

[CarrollVermin]

You have to put the most talented players on the field. You can't always defer to experience; otherwise, you'll always be handcuffed. There is no way for Golson to get experience without an opportunity to get on the field.

We have no idea where Golson is right now with respect to the playbook, but if he plays then we can assume that he has enough of it. In my opinion, the talent gap between Rees and Golson (and the other two QBs for that matter) is so immense that no amount of playbook knowledge or game experience could overcome it.

We have no idea if Golson will make mistakes due to his lack of experience or if he will be limited in the offense. But even if he does make mistakes, how does that make him different than Rees? Rees's turnover issues are due to a talent deficit. If Golson makes some mental mistakes that lead to turnovers, at least that is correctable (unlike a lack of skill). And he will make enough positive plays to more than make up for it.

Like everyone here, I am all about playing the guy that gives you the best chance to win now. I also trust the fact that I am not at practice on a daily basis and that BK will make the decisions that are best for the team.

As far as the turnovers, a prolific play maker will take greater risks which may lead to more turnovers. Still, those risks can lead to a greater reward. At the end of the day, I just want the best guy to play and that guy to win games...is that too much to ask..ha!

 

[TheChosen1]

and the play clock is more of an issue

Expecting to see a bunch of timeouts on offense if Golson is the man

 

[D-BOE34]

Expecting to see a bunch of timeouts on offense if Golson is the man

I am expecting more check downs and QB runs than timeouts. Not to mention, in the USC game, we had a few to use anyway. Using TO's doesn't bother me if it helps make proper adjustments. It is a learning process. I love the 11 vs 11 BK is doing to get them meaningful snaps. We ALL know it will be some sort of a struggle from game 1 with ANY QB we play. Lets just hope all the issues get worked out and a level of comfort sets in by week 3.

I am looking for a blowout on Navy with some QB issues to be handled, decision wise. Then second half of Purdue, the QB (whoever) really goes off and gets that confidence to end the game on headed into week 3 against Mich State. Season needs to hurry up!

 

[frankygoes69]

He did his best.

 

[NDdomer2]

Let's not forget what BK said in his presser yesterday about Golson/Hendrix taking over 215 reps in live 11 on 11 play. An avg game is around 80 offensive plays. Coach Kelly knows these guys need game experience and his change to more 11 on 11 periods is him giving those two the closest thing he can. In 4 practices each qb has played over 1 whole game (100 11v11 reps) and if they keep that ratio going forward they will have had over 650 reps each, or about 8 simulated game reps against a pretty good defense by the time they leave for Dublin.....

Coach reiterated getting the qbs as many 11 vs 11 reps as possible.
Working in field positional play calls.