'13 PA TE Adam Breneman (Penn State Verbal)

[Sherm Sticky]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/leprechaun-lounge/61348-see-any-potential-ben-koyack.html

 

[woolybug25]

I am with Terry on this one. ND already has their TE for this class, this kid may be an elite talent, but we are stacked at TE. I think Koyack has the potential to be the next Rudy or Eifert.

We are not elite at TE. We have one great TE that is leaving after this year, another one hit away from never playing football again, and one with "potential". Both Matuska and Mattingly were recruited to play defense and neither of them are an elite prospects at TE even if they were recruited for the position. We want to run two tight end sets and after this year... we don't have two elite TE's. We have been a haven for amazing TE's over the last decade. We should take advantage of that strength.

Kelly told Heurman that we were going to take 2 TE's and we have taken one. There are no elite WR's or TE's considering us and we have a spot we were supposedly going to take a mediocre rb with. I say say taking the #1 overall TE is a better option than all of that. Especially considering he will most definetely sit out his freshman year.

PS - Terry Tate didn't say that he didn't want him either, he said he didn't think it would happen.

 

[Walter White]

I'm too lazy to go through his whole thread, but were we his #2 choice?

I think we should go after him hard. Is he still only 220 lbs? He kind of reminds me of Jonathan Baldwin from Pitt. Maybe he could play WR.

 

[jmurphy75]

Are some people questioning whether or not to take the #1 player at a position or not?.......Really? I don't care who you have already you take that #1 especially if your team knows how to use tight end sets.

 

[NDPhilly]

I thought OSU came in second.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I work at a gym that trains Breneman and anyway ND came in 2nd and OSU was third. But if I anything I let you guys know.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

So you are saying that Ben Koyack has potential...

Just classic

 

[NDhoosier]

We are not elite at TE. We have one great TE that is leaving after this year, another one hit away from never playing football again, and one with "potential". Both Matuska and Mattingly were recruited to play defense and neither of them are an elite prospects at TE even if they were recruited for the position. We want to run two tight end sets and after this year... we don't have two elite TE's. We have been a haven for amazing TE's over the last decade. We should take advantage of that strength.

Kelly told Heurman that we were going to take 2 TE's and we have taken one. There are no elite WR's or TE's considering us and we have a spot we were supposedly going to take a mediocre rb with. I say say taking the #1 overall TE is a better option than all of that. Especially considering he will most definetely sit out his freshman year.

Yes we are. Both Welch and Koyack were highly rated, and Niklas is a beast, your comment about "one hit away" applies to every football player in the nation at all levels, so it is pointless. People come back from concussions all the time, just like your local news, you only see the negative cases. Niklas went above and beyond the norm to get himself checked out and rehabilitated and everyone has said he is fine and ready to play.

ND is stacked at TE, in fact, I would put TE up there with the OL, RB, and the LB corp.

 

[rocket31]

Kelly told Heurman that we were going to take 2 TE's .

not doubting you, but who is the source on this? thanks..

 

[The Polish Irishman]

not doubting you, but who is the source on this? thanks..

I remember reading it. Heurman even talked to another TE we offered via twitter.

 

[TerryTate]

I remember reading it. Heurman even talked to another TE we offered via twitter.

Josh McNeil, committed to Alabama

 

[Ricochet]

I would take Adam Breneman in a second, he's an elite talent and a different type of TE as Heurman.

The 2 TE offense is here to stay and many are going to model what the Pats are doing by going with pass catching TE/WR hybrid type that they flex out and more of a traditional TE that's going to be that hard nosed in-line blocker that is also consistent pass catcher.

Heurman can play either one of those TE positions whereas Breneman is that of a Flex TE that they will use to stretch the field.

 

[NYMIKE6]

IMO: Adam coming here would really benefit him. I think with the depth we have he could sit and learn, but most importantly heal correctly for 2 seasons if needed... Then step on the field and tear it up... no pun intended...

 

[rocket31]

Josh McNeil, committed to Alabama

yep, i remember now. twitter convo. thanks all!

 

[BGIF]

Screw it. He probably has to redshirt wherever he goes anyway in order to rehab his ACL. I say bring him on and let him sit for a year.

...

He's had the surgery by PSU's Team Doctor. He's sitting out his senior season to rehab the knee. He may sit out his freshman season where ever he goes to add muscle and Div 1 technique but it should not be due to rehabbing the knee for 2 years.

 

[BGIF]

Penn State recruits Adam Breneman and Christian Hackenberg pledge support - CBSSports.com

By Mike Singer | CBSSports.com

July 24, 2012 1:57 pm ET

...

Breneman, the nation's top TE recruit according to Rivals.com, texted The Patriot-News on Monday night and reaffirmed his commitment to PSU after the NCAA's announcement.

“Although I am still processing and discussing the impact of today's announcement with my family and coaches, I did speak with Coach O'Brien and his staff and I remain committed to Penn State,” he texted, according to the paper.

Breneman's decision is even more complicated after he tore his ACL earlier this summer and will miss his senior season at Cedar Cliff. The surgery was done by Penn State's team doctor, Wayne Sebastianelli.

“Adam's high school career is finished,” his dad, Brian, told The Patriot News' Andrew Shay. “He's already working towards enrollment. We're kind of fully into this thing.”

On Breneman's twitter account, his father wrote on Monday, "We will not be making any comments regarding Penn State or Adam's recruitment at this time. Thank you - Brian Breneman."

...

 

[woolybug25]

Yes we are. Both Welch and Koyack were highly rated, and Niklas is a beast, your comment about "one hit away" applies to every football player in the nation at all levels, so it is pointless. People come back from concussions all the time, just like your local news, you only see the negative cases. Niklas went above and beyond the norm to get himself checked out and rehabilitated and everyone has said he is fine and ready to play.

ND is stacked at TE, in fact, I would put TE up there with the OL, RB, and the LB corp.

Oh yes... Welch... the 6'4"/250 pound blocking TE that has seen very little time and very well may be passed up by Koyak. Yes... you are right. We should definetely not take a TE then. Because after Eifert leaves we will have a freshman in Huerman, Koyak (who has potential, but hasn't played), Welch (who hasn't really played and isn't a true passing TE), Niklas (say whatever you want, but you are drastically underestimating the severerity of his situation. I'm sure others will attest to this) and two LB's that played a little TE in high school.

You are right though... that compares well to the OL, RB and LB corps where we have future NFL players in their depth chart after guys that are leaving after this season.

I'm sold. Let's go grab a 3 star runningback instead....

 

[NDPhilly]

I feel like if Brenamen did decommit from PSU than we would have a great shot at Landing him if we really pursued hard considering we have Anzalone who he appears to be very good friends with and that we came in 2nd or 3rd before the commitment.

Will he decommit? IDK. If they lose Hackenburg which I think will eventually happen I could definitely see him decommiting. I think we should pursue if he does. We don't need a 3 star RB that will never start.

 

[BGIF]

Yes we are. Both Welch and Koyack were highly rated, and Niklas is a beast, your comment about "one hit away" applies to every football player in the nation at all levels, so it is pointless. People come back from concussions all the time, just like your local news, you only see the negative cases. Niklas went above and beyond the norm to get himself checked out and rehabilitated and everyone has said he is fine and ready to play.

ND is stacked at TE, in fact, I would put TE up there with the OL, RB, and the LB corp.

One hit away is pointless? With ND's track record?

Did you just start following ND football? Because it sure sounds like it.

Dan Wenger ring any bells (no pun intended)? The Gators took him after the ND Medical Staff refused to clear him to play because of multiple concussions.

Dave Duerson ring any bells? One of the All-Time ND Defensive Greats. Duerson committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest so he brain could be given to medicine to study for HEAD TRAUMA. He was a successful NFL player, businessman, ND Trustee, Husband and Father till the headaches didn't go away and he was arrested for domestic abuse, and he went out of control.

Corwin Brown ring any bells? Former ND Co DC who shot himself, see Head Trauma.

Wenger was denied before Brown's problems became public.

Read and learn:

Brain Injury Study: A Single Season Of Hits May Harm College Athletes' Ability To Learn

 

[BGIF]

Wooly, I like Breneman a lot. He's a talented as Mike Ragone was in high school right up until Ragone had his first ACL injury AFTER his senior football season while wrestling. He was never the player he was after his surgery. Lots fo players recover but not all of them (Aldridge was a 5 Star RB before surgery, how'd that one turn out?)

Breneman has already passed on his HS Senior Season to rehab that knee. Nobody will get to see how the rehab went before NSD. You're signing a kid with a known injury without seeing him play again or even medical evaluation (it's not the NFL).

And he didn't pledge to ND in the first place. His heart was and still is, elsewhere. Joe PA was already gone and the Sandusky stink known. He chose PSU for his educaiton and O'Brien for his Head Coach. That could change as the gravity of the PSU penalties sink in with time. Right now he's all PSU (including having their team doctor perform his ACL surgery) and I commend his commitment.

I liked him a lot, still do, but with limited left scholarships in this class do you take the Ragone/Aldridge risk for a shot at an Eifert story (HS back injury as a freshman it appeared his career was over when he didn't respond to back treatments). The difference there was Ragone and Aldridge were already ND verbals when injured and Eifert's condition apparently worsened while he was on scholarship.

IF Breneman h as a change of heart, Kelly and the ND Medical Staff have to make a discision sight on scene.

 

[BGIF]

Also from 7/24/12

Also from 7/24/12

Penn State recruiting: Top TE Adam Breneman committed for now - NCAA Football - Sporting News

Jul 24, 2012 at 12:18 pm EDT
Staff report Sporting News


...

“I remain committed to Coach O’Brien and his staff,” Breneman told 247Sports.com. “My parents are going to talk to Coach O’Brien and his staff soon.”

But Breneman did leave the door open for a change of heart.

“It is a process though. I’m in the process of talking to my family and reviewing everything. This all happened a few hours ago. I’m in the process of discussing everything with my family and evaluating everything.”

...

 

[beryirish]

Here is my perspective:

I don't think ND has a chance/wants any of PSU players or commitments.

So, I hope very much so that they stick to playing at PSU.

Why: ND doesn't play PSU. They won't see them in a bowl game in the next four years at the earliest. So hope that the kids want to stay at PSU.

Proof: Michigan just got a CB from them and USC is knocking on the door of an elite RB ---- both teams we play on a yearly basis.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

There's no way anyone who cares about football can stay at Penn State.

 

[DomeLover3]

There's no way anyone who cares about winning football games can stay at Penn State.

FIFY

People who want to look good personally might love the idea of playing at PSU

 

[Irish YJ]

Yes we are. Both Welch and Koyack were highly rated, and Niklas is a beast, your comment about "one hit away" applies to every football player in the nation at all levels, so it is pointless. People come back from concussions all the time, just like your local news, you only see the negative cases. Niklas went above and beyond the norm to get himself checked out and rehabilitated and everyone has said he is fine and ready to play.

ND is stacked at TE, in fact, I would put TE up there with the OL, RB, and the LB corp.

No

 

[beryirish]

No

My high school comp teacher wouldn't be happy with that response....he always said explain yourself - detail, detail, detail

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly, I like Breneman a lot. He's a talented as Mike Ragone was in high school right up until Ragone had his first ACL injury AFTER his senior football season while wrestling. He was never the player he was after his surgery. Lots fo players recover but not all of them (Aldridge was a 5 Star RB before surgery, how'd that one turn out?)

Breneman has already passed on his HS Senior Season to rehab that knee. Nobody will get to see how the rehab went before NSD. You're signing a kid with a known injury without seeing him play again or even medical evaluation (it's not the NFL).

And he didn't pledge to ND in the first place. His heart was and still is, elsewhere. Joe PA was already gone and the Sandusky stink known. He chose PSU for his educaiton and O'Brien for his Head Coach. That could change as the gravity of the PSU penalties sink in with time. Right now he's all PSU (including having their team doctor perform his ACL surgery) and I commend his commitment.

I liked him a lot, still do, but with limited left scholarships in this class do you take the Ragone/Aldridge risk for a shot at an Eifert story (HS back injury as a freshman it appeared his career was over when he didn't respond to back treatments). The difference there was Ragone and Aldridge were already ND verbals when injured and Eifert's condition apparently worsened while he was on scholarship.

IF Breneman h as a change of heart, Kelly and the ND Medical Staff have to make a discision sight on scene.

I follow ya, and agree for the most part. I do believe that if he decommitted (big if), the staff would get a good chance to talk to him and have our medical team review his records. I think that if he ended up looking elsewhere, he would want to be thorough in his search. So I doubt he would take offense to a medical review.

As for as "his heart being somewhere else", I agree. That being said, there are a ton of players that grew up loving a team and end up playing somewhere else because of opportunity. I think that if he did decommit and went elsewhere, whether ND or not, he would commit fully to that school. I believe that while he will always love PSU, he will give whatever school he goes to 100%.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I think if Hackenberg stays, Breneman stays.

Hackenberg is visiting PSU on a "fact-finding" trip to get some answers to some questions before deciding what to do next.
Top quarterback prospect Christian Hackenberg to revisit Penn State Nittany Lions - ESPN

If Breneman decommits, I think there is zero chance he goes to pOSU. I can't see any way that he would pick a University that has PSU on their schedule over the next 4 years given his love and loyalty to the University. That would leave it a ND and Maryland battle unless someone else pops up.

If the coaches want him and Heuerman is fine with bringing him on, then I say go for it.

 

[NDhoosier]

Oh yes... Welch... the 6'4"/250 pound blocking TE that has seen very little time and very well may be passed up by Koyak. Yes... you are right. We should definetely not take a TE then. Because after Eifert leaves we will have a freshman in Huerman, Koyak (who has potential, but hasn't played), Welch (who hasn't really played and isn't a true passing TE), Niklas (say whatever you want, but you are drastically underestimating the severerity of his situation. I'm sure others will attest to this) and two LB's that played a little TE in high school.

You are right though... that compares well to the OL, RB and LB corps where we have future NFL players in their depth chart after guys that are leaving after this season.

I'm sold. Let's go grab a 3 star runningback instead....

Eifert saw very little time as well when he was younger, gee, I wonder why... because there was a guy named Rudolph in front of him. hmmm, pretty similar cases here as well. I guess Eifert isnt very good either... oh wait

Like I said, both (Welch & Koyack) were highly rated, if one beats the other out, that is a good thing and only proves my point more, that the TE position is stacked with talent and are competing with other top TEs for PT.

So do you think Niklas is done with football? Only there there to intimidate the other team coming off the bus and stepping out of the locker room?

having said that, if he wants to come to ND, I'll gladly take him and welcome him as part of the family, but i dont think we should pursue him as much as 10 other guys on our board... for 5-6 spots.

 

[woolybug25]

Eifert saw very little time as well when he was younger, gee, I wonder why... because there was a guy named Rudolph in front of him. hmmm, pretty similar cases here as well. I guess Eifert isnt very good either... oh wait


Like I said, both (Welch & Koyack) were highly rated, if one beats the other out, that is a good thing and only proves my point more, that the TE position is stacked with talent and are competing with other top TEs for PT.

Eifert looked good in his limited playing time. He excelled in his first spring game. The coaches raved about him. Welch and Koyak haven't had any of those things. Welch in particular, isn't even that well suited body style for a pass-first TE.

So do you think Niklas is done with football? Only there there to intimidate the other team coming off the bus and stepping out of the locker room?

I didn't say he is done with football, but he is one concussion away. That's what you aren't getting about Niklas. The next time he is carted off the field with a head injury, he's done. He had to have a real heart to heart with doctors, his family and the coaching staff to even come back this season. I really don't think you understand the severity of his concussion issues nor repetitive head injuries in general.

having said that, if he wants to come to ND, I'll gladly take him and welcome him as part of the family, but i dont think we should pursue him as much as 10 other guys on our board... for 5-6 spots.

One of those spots is currently being held for a RB. Answer me this... If you had the choice, would you rather have a 3star RB or a #1 TE in Breneman? If you pick the latter, then what in the hell are you arguing with me about other than your inflated view of our current depth at TE? (which no one came to your defense for, btw)