Tommy Rees and Carlo Calabrese arrested

[johnnykillz]

That would be a sick feeling. Since he didn't hold him out to this point, I think he has to do something.

Res Life will (maybe right?) have their dealings with him and then Kelly his.

 

[tadman95]

What the hell? Floyd had a DUI, and it was his 3rd violation with alcohol during his time at ND.He didn't get any real game action, and his DUI came what, a month or 2 earlier than Rees'? NO way does BK gave Rees (a guy ND fans don't want to see play) 4 games while he gave Floyd (a superstar) only a spring game (among other things - but no games). He can't justify that. Rees will be punished, but 4 games (or more)???? No way I see that happening.

Maybe. I think Floyd's violation and punishment came in the semester it occurred with some strict follow up. Tommy's came later and hasn't been dealt with by Kelly or the university. They have to do something. I said 4 games because that's what I wanted to say. If you know more, put it out there.

 

[NDinL.A.]

i just have a sick feeling that Kelly doesn't have it in him to sit Tommy.

I talked to a guy here in SB who knows a lot of the players and the coaches. someone I trust. He talked to Coach Martin a week after the spring game and he told me that Coach Martin knows dang well who the people want to see start. Coach sees it. The problem is Golson's immaturity. Showing up late to meetings and workouts and not knowing the playbook have been his biggest flaws. How are you going to lead a team when you can't even get your own *** in gear? So the biggest question is - has he matured?

With Rees, he knows the playbook. That's his biggest strength. Of course, as a leader, he messed up by getting arrested. But even before that tko, I think BK was looking to replace him, I really do. And it might have more to do with his trust in Coach Martin than anything.

And fwiw, according to the dude I talked to, most of the players want to see Golson start.

 

[tko]

I talked to a guy here in SB who knows a lot of the players and the coaches. someone I trust. He talked to Coach Martin a week after the spring game and he told me that Coach Martin knows dang well who the people want to see start. Coach sees it. The problem is Golson's immaturity. Showing up late to meetings and workouts and not knowing the playbook have been his biggest flaws. How are you going to lead a team when you can't even get your own *** in gear? So the biggest question is - has he matured?

With Rees, he knows the playbook. That's his biggest strength. Of course, as a leader, he messed up by getting arrested. But even before that tko, I think BK was looking to replace him, I really do. And it might have more to do with his trust in Coach Martin than anything.

And fwiw, according to the dude I talked to, most of the players want to see Golson start.

The look on Kelly's face at the end of the FSU game speaks to this.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I talked to a guy here in SB who knows a lot of the players and the coaches. someone I trust. He talked to Coach Martin a week after the spring game and he told me that Coach Martin knows dang well who the people want to see start. Coach sees it. The problem is Golson's immaturity. Showing up late to meetings and workouts and not knowing the playbook have been his biggest flaws. How are you going to lead a team when you can't even get your own *** in gear? So the biggest question is - has he matured?

With Rees, he knows the playbook. That's his biggest strength. Of course, as a leader, he messed up by getting arrested. But even before that tko, I think BK was looking to replace him, I really do. And it might have more to do with his trust in Coach Martin than anything.

And fwiw, according to the dude I talked to, most of the players want to see Golson start.

This surprises me. From all accounts when he was coming out of high school he was a very mature young man. The kid was a 4.0 student, prodigy musician, lead his team to state championships and broke national QB records.

 

[tadman95]

Golson coming to meetings and workouts late is old news in that we were hearing that back in the spring. I hope that he has grown out of that.

He has definitely bulked up so at least he's doing some work.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey tko,

Last I checked I only had a couple hundred thousand vbucks. And I never bet. I will however put that 200k against your two million. After all someone of your assuredness would not flinch at 10:1 odds. I will bet you Tommy does not start for the Dublin game.

And don't forget, Everett is from Cacalacky, which is his biggest adjustment (into Kelly's program). Breakdown before build-up.

Let me know what you think.

Bogs

 

[tko]

Hey tko,

Last I checked I only had a couple hundred thousand vbucks. And I never bet. I will however put that 200k against your two million. After all someone of your assuredness would not flinch at 10:1 odds. I will bet you Tommy does not start for the Dublin game.

And don't forget, Everett is from Cacalacky, which is his biggest adjustment (into Kelly's program). Breakdown before build-up.

Let me know what you think.

Bogs

either way, i will make you a sizeable donation in order to turn you into a full blown degenerate vgambler this fall. vgambling is a wonderful addiction. i am also hoping my assuredness(reverse psychology) works wonders.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I think Kelly will probably abide by whatever Res Life does here and add nothing more. With that said, I think Res Life is likely to suspend him from football and all other extra-curriculars for 1 semester. That semester will be the football season.

 

[BobD]

You can call me crazy, dumb or whatever you like. I like Coach Kelly and I think he's the "right guy", but if he starts Tommy or feels like he has to because nobody else is ready, his ND career will probably be in jeopardy. JMHO

 

[irishtrooper]

i just have a sick feeling that Kelly doesn't have it in him to sit Tommy.

I truly believe we have seen the last of Rees under center. Suspension or not, he will not start the season and will open at the #3 at best. I think Kelly lost all confidence in Rees to move the team against Stanford and FSU. So much negative momentum with the troubles on the field (inconsistent, turnovers), bad arrest and very poor spring game showing - there is no way ANYBODY (Kelly included) that can justify starting Rees again.

 

[D-BOE34]

I really don't want him losing the season. Even if he is 3rd, I would much rather him play than waste a year of GK.

 

[Irishpinoy]

You can call me crazy, dumb or whatever you like. I like Coach Kelly and I think he's the "right guy", but if he starts Tommy or feels like he has to because nobody else is ready, his ND career will probably be in jeopardy. JMHO

Amen. He should have played Hendrix/Golson last year. ND would have gotten the same amount of wins with those two and they would have been primed to play this year. What a waste in QB development last season.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

I will more than likely ruffle some feathers but when you get as old as I you really don't care.
If you are happy for the arrest because you think it opens the door for the qb you support. Well, you must not have a lot of faith in your guy's talent. So maybe Brian Kelly shouldn't either. I agree, with some posters. It is a shame If he is guilty, he should be punished and I am sure he will be. But if some of you are celebrating a persons demise so that more games can be won this season you are a screwed up individual.

 

[50milesSE ND]

I'm not happy about the demise of someone. However as a fan I was ready to see a different body under center. That makes me happy.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Starting Rees would be a self-inflicted bowl ban with this schedule.

 

[Irish YJ]

Rees pleads guilty to misdemeanor charges | Inside the Irish

Not sure if someone already posted the link, but.... here it is. Sounds like the Taxi driver helped Mr. Rees out a bit with his testimony....

 

[RyCo1983]

Hey tko,

Last I checked I only had a couple hundred thousand vbucks. And I never bet. I will however put that 200k against your two million. After all someone of your assuredness would not flinch at 10:1 odds. I will bet you Tommy does not start for the Dublin game.

And don't forget, Everett is from Cacalacky, which is his biggest adjustment (into Kelly's program). Breakdown before build-up.

Let me know what you think.

Bogs

Bogtrotter...I'll spot you the 2 million vbucks come the season. I am 99% sure you will win.

 

[BGIF]

Nice timing of the release.

What timing of what release?

SI, ChiTrib, Etc all ran detailed articles on Rees' scheduled court appearance on the day it took place.


Feel free to post a link to the "release" you speak of.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bogtrotter...I'll spot you the 2 million vbucks come the season. I am 99% sure you will win.

Hey dude,

How the heck did you get so much money? You was normal folk like me once. But never no mind. I will consider you a backer on the emprise of ourn.

The wild west desert bogtrotter ~ Have gun, will travel.

And if you are 99% sure, well then, that's in the bank!

 

[Rhode Irish]

What timing of what release?

SI, ChiTrib, Etc all ran detailed articles on Rees' scheduled court appearance on the day it took place.


Feel free to post a link to the "release" you speak of.

Well, it was fortuitous timing at the very least.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The fortunate timing was that it came in the wake of the PSU eviseration and the initial court arraignment of Holmes in Co., not true?

 

[CarrollVermin]

You can call me crazy, dumb or whatever you like. I like Coach Kelly and I think he's the "right guy", but if he starts Tommy or feels like he has to because nobody else is ready, his ND career will probably be in jeopardy. JMHO

So start a guy with no experience who can't read a defense and doesn't know the play book because he is more athletic? Yeah, that sounds like the formula for success.

I would imagine Kelly will start the guy that gives him the best chance to win, based on their complete knowledge of the game, and not on who the fans favor. If he did anything other than that, then yes, I'd be looking to run him out of town.

 

[Rhode Irish]

So start a guy with no experience who can't read a defense and doesn't know the play book because he is more athletic? Yeah, that sounds like the formula for success.

I would imagine Kelly will start the guy that gives him the best chance to win, based on their complete knowledge of the game, and not on who the fans favor. If he did anything other than that, then yes, I'd be looking to run him out of town.

There is no way that Golson is as far behind Rees in terms of knowing the playbook and recognizing coverages as Rees is behind Golson in terms of big-play ability. Golson strikes me as a pretty cerebral kid, and the best way for him to learn is through immersion, just like anything else. Throw him in and he'll figure out how to swim faster than by watching film of others swimming. His athleticism will allow him to make up for whatever deficit he has in the mental part of the game until he gets all of that stuff down. There is nothing Rees can do to make up for his propensity to turn the ball over - he just isn't talented enough.

I really like Kelly and I do not often second-guess him, but I really think it will be a mistake if Rees plays at all this year, barring injuries to both Golson and Hendrix.

 

[BobD]

So start a guy with no experience who can't read a defense and doesn't know the play book because he is more athletic? Yeah, that sounds like the formula for success.
I would imagine Kelly will start the guy that gives him the best chance to win, based on their complete knowledge of the game, and not on who the fans favor. If he did anything other than that, then yes, I'd be looking to run him out of town.

My quote:

You can call me crazy, dumb or whatever you like. I like Coach Kelly and I think he's the "right guy", but if he starts Tommy or feels like he has to because nobody else is ready, his ND career will probably be in jeopardy. JMHO

Who's job is it to get someone else ready? Coach Kelly developing players and coaching to leverage their ability does sound like a formula for success.

 

[NDhoosier]

I think people are jumping the gun. I have heard only one instance of Golson being late. Not sure where all this other stuff is coming from. I doubt anyone here was never late for a class or dare I say it, skipped a class entirely. I know I did and I made Dean's List every semester I went to college. Sure its not the best thing to do, but please, dont question a player's maturity because he overslept and was late to a class by 5 minutes... **** happens bro!

 

[NDinL.A.]

I think people are jumping the gun. I have heard only one instance of Golson being late. Not sure where all this other stuff is coming from. I doubt anyone here was never late for a class or dare I say it, skipped a class entirely. I know I did and I made Dean's List every semester I went to college. Sure its not the best thing to do, but please, dont question a player's maturity because he overslept and was late to a class by 5 minutes... **** happens bro!

This has been out there for awhile. No one is jumping the gun. Just this morning I talked to a guy 'in the know' and it wasn't just a one time thing. That one time was publicized bc it happened during the coaches convention weekend and when he was punished people found out. But it has been a problem that hopefully he has solved...

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

I truthfully don'y know who may be ready and who isn't. All young people make mistakes in their lives from time to time.(So do old people, but we cover them up better. lol) Anyway, it is not necessarily indicative of a leadership role. You simply address them and move on.

 

[CarrollVermin]

My quote:

You can call me crazy, dumb or whatever you like. I like Coach Kelly and I think he's the "right guy", but if he starts Tommy or feels like he has to because nobody else is ready, his ND career will probably be in jeopardy. JMHO

Who's job is it to get someone else ready? Coach Kelly developing players and coaching to leverage their ability does sound like a formula for success.

Sure, it's BK's job to get a player ready. He learned that versus Michigan when Dayne went down. The problem is that when a kid lacks the drive, desire and motivation to be successful it doesn't matter how talented they are. I am not saying that is the case here, not by any stretch of the imagination, but when a kid just doesn't want to bust his tail off for himself, there isn't much a coach can do (see Jamarcus Russell).

 

[Old Man Mike]

Coach is and has been busting his butt trying to get EVERYBODY ready. He has already told us that shepherding FOUR quarterbacks is essentially impossible, but that he felt forced to for the Spring. His structure of the Spring game seems to have told us that he has narrowed his coaching intensity to three of them, which is marginally more manageable --- would be easily manageable if any of them were actually close to "getting" all the pieces.

Rees actually doesn't need as much fundamental coaching as Hendricks or Golson, as you would hope after all the game action. You can see this from the practice clips. Tommy drops back with the correct footwork [WAY more disciplined about this than the other two who are still letting their "happy-footed animal" rule that activity, and flings it generally with the correct read. Kelly says minimum to nothing.] Everett and Andrew drop back [not sliding as Coach wants them to; slow to be able to plant, adjust, and deliver] and misread the defense more regularly, and fling it with authority in the wrong direction. This is what Coach is seeing and what he's trying to beat out of them.

In the August sessions, because Tommy doesn't need the over-all coaching as much on the practice field [lots of filmroom simulations though I'll bet], Coach will be able to concentrate in the vast majority of the time on Everett and Andrew. Both body movement fundamentals and reads/keys. Both Andrew and Everett were not even reading simple safety keys accurately each time... pretty disappointing.

One of these two guys MUST break through to the "lights-on" state for us to succeed bigtime. Kelly is trying everything that he can as a coach. Something must happen upstairs inside the cranium with one or both of these guys. They "ain't there" yet, sadly.