'13 WA TE/OLB Danny Mattingly (Oregon Verbal)

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It's fun to say things as stone cold facts when they're pure conjecture, isn't it?

+1. No one really knows where Jaylon will play because he can play 3 of the 4 positions. I have seen some places say he was recruited for CAT and others say he was recruited for DOG. Personally I would like to see him at DOG because of his exceptional coverage skills but I can definitely see him at CAT too.
 

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+1. No one really knows where Jaylon will play because he can play 3 of the 4 positions. I have seen some places say he was recruited for CAT and others say he was recruited for DOG. Personally I would like to see him at DOG because of his exceptional coverage skills but I can definitely see him at CAT too.
I want him to play Mike.
 

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found this on ESPN and it felt great to read!
Is this "gut-punch" Tues for #Sooners with Christian Morgan (FSU), Danny Mattingly (ND) & bad news w/ Hardreck Walker?
about 8 hours ago
 
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+1. No one really knows where Jaylon will play because he can play 3 of the 4 positions. I have seen some places say he was recruited for CAT and others say he was recruited for DOG. Personally I would like to see him at DOG because of his exceptional coverage skills but I can definitely see him at CAT too.

I want him to play Mike.

I strongly believe the reason that Jaylon Smith is so highly rated is because he can rush like an elite DE and cover like a CB. Anyone. You can talk about him playing any linebacker position and he can. But respectfully, why would you want a guy that runs jusabout a 4.4 40, playing inside?
 

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I think he plays at DOG as a freshman and we go from there

- next year we will have great LB depth everywhere except the one position he really shouldn't be playing (MIKE), his best chance would be at DOG and that is his best position, don't see him passing anyone of the group of Shembo/Williams or Fox/Calabrese, DOG on the other hand has two unproven (will get there shot this year) players (Spond/Councell). , one of which has been injury prone (Spond)
 

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sorry if this has been stated before...but the interview talked about him being a two sport star. I'm assuming the other is baseball.

How good is he at baseball and is there any chance that keeps him from going to ND ala Bubba Starling??

thanks
 

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But respectfully, why would you want a guy that runs jusabout a 4.4 40, playing inside?

Good point. I agree that DOG seems like the best use of Jaylon.

People, including myself, are just trying to get all 4 potential LBs from this class on the field at once. Mattingly seems too thin to play inside, so that seems to mean that Jaylon gets bumped to WILL.

CAT: Muhammed/other
MIKE: Anzalone/Deeb
WILL: Smith
DOG: Mattingly

If we add Anzalone and Muhammed (Grace and Anzalone on the inside, Jaylon at DOG, Williams/Muhammed at CAT), I would not be suprised to see Mattingly play TE down the road --he reminds me of Shark and Eifert for some reason and you want to get the ball to those kind of kids.
 
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sorry if this has been stated before...but the interview talked about him being a two sport star. I'm assuming the other is baseball.

How good is he at baseball and is there any chance that keeps him from going to ND ala Bubba Starling??

thanks

It's baseball according to this article I found from back in February talking about his first offer from Washington.
Danny Mattingly Gains First Big Offer; More To Come! | Northwest Prep Report


His other main sport now is baseball. As a rangy center fielder with a big bat his stock appears to be rising there too. In fact Danny does not plan to do much of anything for football as he is already committed to be on the road for 3 weeks straight with his AAA Baseball club. While football is the meal ticket right now who is to say he could not end up in pin stripes like Uncle Don someday.
 
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Good point. I agree that DOG seems like the best use of Jaylon.

People, including myself, are just trying to get all 4 potential LBs from this class on the field at once. Mattingly seems too thin to play inside, so that seems to mean that Jaylon gets bumped to WILL.

CAT: Muhammed/other
MIKE: Anzalone/Deeb
WILL: Smith
DOG: Mattingly

If we add Anzalone and Muhammed (Grace and Anzalone on the inside, Jaylon at DOG, Williams/Muhammed at CAT), I would not be suprised to see Mattingly play TE down the road --he reminds me of Shark and Eifert for some reason and you want to get the ball to those kind of kids.

UR forgetting Ogundeko.....:drool:
 

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Your best LB on the team which of the four spots would you want him to play? Which of the spots is never taken off the field no matter what down it is?
 
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Good point. I agree that DOG seems like the best use of Jaylon.

People, including myself, are just trying to get all 4 potential LBs from this class on the field at once. Mattingly seems too thin to play inside, so that seems to mean that Jaylon gets bumped to WILL.

CAT: Muhammed/other
MIKE: Anzalone/Deeb
WILL: Smith
DOG: Mattingly

If we add Anzalone and Muhammed (Grace and Anzalone on the inside, Jaylon at DOG, Williams/Muhammed at CAT), I would not be suprised to see Mattingly play TE down the road --he reminds me of Shark and Eifert for some reason and you want to get the ball to those kind of kids.

I would almost bet everything that Smith will never end up inside. He alows a team to save one whole defender playing that away side OLB. That is the most tremendous advantage you can hope for on defense.

His skills are awesome as a pass rusher, in coverage, and he is hard to get a hat on, so he is pretty unblockable. Granted, that may sound good inside, but it is all about space. He runs a 4.4ish 40!

Finally, I have yet to see this point anywhere. I think from what film I have seen, and from the interviews and everything available, Jaylon is going to adjust to the speed of the game better than any linebacker since Manti. (And he may challenge Manti, speed of adjustment only.)

I guarantee that coaches will do things their way. I am not trying to suggest that I know better or more than them; so where they play I truly don't know. But there are rules that everybody follows, gravity, etc., I am just pulling this out of past experience and what has happened before.

All these linebackers in this class will need to bulk up a little. Except Deeb, but he probably will, too.

Your best LB on the team which of the four spots would you want him to play? Which of the spots is never taken off the field no matter what down it is?

Sherm, what kind of linbacker? Do you think Manti would be dominant outside? With the troubles we have had, well documented for the last three seasons, (not so much last year), do you really think they wouldn't have moved Manti outside, if it was possible? Conversely, do you see them playing Slaughter inside? I mean he is a hybrid OS linebacker, db. No, you would never play him insided.

The only problem with our inside linebackers, that I can see is that they have been a little weak in coverage, Manti will come out trimmer,(maybe 255-260), I think he was close to 270 last season, and Fox has it. (The young guys Moore, Rasaba, Grace all seem to be getting it.) And I believe Justin Utupo could play almost any D-line or linebacker position, exept dog.
 
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Your best LB on the team which of the four spots would you want him to play? Which of the spots is never taken off the field no matter what down it is?

If he is our best player he wouldn't be taken off the field no matter what position he plays.
 

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I would almost bet everything that Smith will never end up inside. He alows a team to save one whole defender playing that away side OLB. That is the most tremendous advantage you can hope for on defense.

His skills are awesome as a pass rusher, in coverage, and he is hard to get a hat on, so he is pretty unblockable. Granted, that may sound good inside, but it is all about space. He runs a 4.4ish 40!

Finally, I have yet to see this point anywhere. I think from what film I have seen, and from the interviews and everything available, Jaylon is going to adjust to the speed of the game better than any linebacker since Manti. (And he may challenge Manti, speed of adjustment only.)

I guarantee that coaches will do things their way. I am not trying to suggest that I know better or more than them; so where they play I truly don't know. But there are rules that everybody follows, gravity, etc., I am just pulling this out of past experience and what has happened before.

All these linebackers in this class will need to bulk up a little. Except Deeb, but he probably will, too.

Sounds good to me!!! One thing seems certain to me. He is going to be used as our primary weapon against TEs and Slot Receivers. If DOG is where you do that the most, I think he'll play DOG.
 
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jaylon at dog no doubt
Danny at will or dog
Alex at mike they say but I say will
 

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Didn't a fellow lb recruit say the Smith will be playing inside?

IDK I think you are not taking full advantage of Smith's skill set if he plays Dog. If he plays CAT where does that put Ishaq. You definitely want Smith and Ishaq on the field at the same time.
 

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Didn't a fellow lb recruit say the Smith will be playing inside?

IDK I think you are not taking full advantage of Smith's skill set unless he plays Dog. If he plays CAT where does that put Ishaq. You definitely want Smith and Ishaq on the field at the same time.

fixed. I'm not totally sold on Ishaq though. We know he has all the physical tools, but he has to show that he has that werewolf in him (as Diaco would say) before we know how good an LB he will be. Shembo could get the lion's share of the CAT snaps the next two years.
 

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fixed. I'm not totally sold on Ishaq though. We know he has all the physical tools, but he has to show that he has that werewolf in him (as Diaco would say) before we know how good an LB he will be. Shembo could get the lion's share of the CAT snaps the next two years.
Nope...I've been saying Smith at ILB or CAT. I don't think playing him at DOG takes full advantage of his skill set.
 

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What exactly is Jaylon's skill set that makes him a better fit for MIKE than DOG?
 

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He has lock-down cover corner ability. That kind of coverage skill is much rarer than pass-rushing ability. I think he has to be a DOG, maybe a WILL. Possibly a CAT, but definitely not a MIKE. At MIKE physicality/toughness is the most important quality, right? Jaylon's strength is speed.
 

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2013 LB Depth Chart: IMO

Mike: Grace/Moore/2013 Signee
Will: Fox/Carlo/Rabasa/2013 Signee
Cat: Shembo/Ishaq/Mattingly
Dog: Jaylon/Councell/Spond

this is me assuming that romeo will grow into a DE
 

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He has lock-down cover corner ability. That kind of coverage skill is much rarer than pass-rushing ability. I think he has to be a DOG, maybe a WILL. Possibly a CAT, but definitely not a MIKE. At MIKE physicality/toughness is the most important quality, right? Jaylon's strength is speed.
So you would rather have Jaylon Smith chasing TE's around the field all day. Instead of rushing the passer, playing the run and being in coverage occasionally? I'd take a pass rush over an olb who can cover a TE ever damn day of the week.

Fine Mike isn't a good fit. Put him at Will, put him at CAT. Have him play Will to Ishaq is gone and move him to CAT.
 

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Yes I would rather have him take a reciever completely out of the play then have him drop into a hook zone or attempt to rush the passer

IMO best positions in order for prospects:

Smith: DOG CAT WILL MIKE
Mattingly: DOG WILL CAT MIKE
Anzalone: WILL MIKE CAT DOG
 

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jaylon will make plays and be effective at any of the 4 LB spots and i'd venture to say he'd be an effect SS if he were to play there...bottom line is he is going to make us a lot better the moment he gets on campus and some would argue he is already making us better with the effect he's having in recruiting.
 

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Yes I would rather have him take a reciever completely out of the play then have him drop into a hook zone or attempt to rush the passer

IMO best positions in order for prospects:

Smith: DOG CAT WILL MIKE
Mattingly: DOG WILL CAT MIKE
Anzalone: WILL MIKE CAT DOG
That's ridiculous. Give me the best pass rusher in the NFL over the best "lock down" corner any day.
 

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jaylon will make plays and be effective at any of the 4 LB spots and i'd venture to say he'd be an effect SS if he were to play there...bottom line is he is going to make us a lot better the moment he gets on campus and some would argue he is already making us better with the effect he's having in recruiting.

Totally. We can argue over which spot is best but it probably doesn't even matter. He will be a difference-maker wherever we put him.
 
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