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[clashmore_mike]

An almost win doesn't matter. At the end of the year you have wins and losses. Michigan won the ND game and many others and as a result they are sitting with the number 1 recruiting class in the nation and poised to do it again. Notre Dame is sitting 8-5 with another bowl loss. Yes it matters ! By my logic Notre Dame could lose to Michigan big this time. I hope they don't but everything is pointing for a Michigan win.

I laughed aloud.

 

[NDhoosier]

Texas, you are right, wins do matter... I dont think any Notre Dame fan will disagree with that, my point is that Notre Dame is a much better team than what 8-5 indicates, we simply beat ourselves. U$C outplayed us in the 1st half, but we still could have and probably should have won that game in the end. The only other team to "outplay" us was Stanford in the 1st half, but beat them 14-7 in the second half with a new QB.

Notre Dame is better than Michigan and should be favored by double digits points this year, but too many people focus on last year's records instead of analyzing the game itself and what they saw with their own eyes.

 

[TexasNDBig12]

Texas, you are right, wins do matter... I dont think any Notre Dame fan will disagree with that, my point is that Notre Dame is a much better team than what 8-5 indicates, we simply beat ourselves. U$C outplayed us in the 1st half, but we still could have and probably should have won that game in the end. The only other team to "outplay" us was Stanford in the 1st half, but beat them 14-7 in the second half with a new QB.

Notre Dame is better than Michigan and should be favored by double digits points this year, but too many people focus on last year's records instead of analyzing the game itself and what they saw with their own eyes.

How many games do you think they will win this year ?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

How many games do you think they will win this year ?

13

 

[phork]

Texas, you are right, wins do matter... I dont think any Notre Dame fan will disagree with that, my point is that Notre Dame is a much better team than what 8-5 indicates, we simply beat ourselves. U$C outplayed us in the 1st half, but we still could have and probably should have won that game in the end. The only other team to "outplay" us was Stanford in the 1st half, but beat them 14-7 in the second half with a new QB.

Notre Dame is better than Michigan and should be favored by double digits points this year, but too many people focus on last year's records instead of analyzing the game itself and what they saw with their own eyes.

Wow now I want to know what you are smoking. Double digits?

 

[Buster Bluth]

How many games do you think they will win this year ?

8 +/- 2

 

[ACamp1900]

Obviously the recent trend is eight-ish... I agree with buster, they could win as little as five if things good poorly, and could win as many as ten max imo... I'd say eight is fair either way.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Obviously the recent trend is eight-ish... I agree with buster, they could win as little as five if things good poorly, and could win as many as ten max imo... I'd say eight is fair either way.

I keep trying to make a thread about ranking the difficulty of the 2012 games, but the website won't let me for some reason?

Anyway, I see it like this:

@ Oklahoma
@ Southern Cal
@ Michigan State
vs Michigan
vs BYU
vs Stanford
vs Miami*
vs Pittsburgh
vs Purdue
at Navy*
vs Wake Forest
at Boston College


Green = Should be a >90% chance of winning. Should be.
Yellow = Solid teams, but I'm not particaularly scared.
Oragne = The Irish will need to be focused big time.
Red = A very tough game.
Purple = Drink heavily beforehand and sleep through the game.

 

[PANDFAN]

I keep trying to make a thread about ranking the difficulty of the 2012 games, but the website won't let me for some reason?

Anyway, I see it like this:

@ Oklahoma
@ Southern Cal
@ Michigan State
vs Michigan
vs BYU
vs Stanford
vs Miami*
vs Pittsburgh
vs Purdue
at Navy*
vs Wake Forest
at Boston College


Green = Should be a >90% chance of winning. Should be.
Yellow = Solid teams, but I'm not particaularly scared.
Oragne = The Irish will need to be focused big time.
Red = A very tough game.
Purple = Drink heavily beforehand and sleep through the game.

i agree 100%

 

[Riddickulous]

Texas, you are right, wins do matter... I dont think any Notre Dame fan will disagree with that, my point is that Notre Dame is a much better team than what 8-5 indicates, we simply beat ourselves. U$C outplayed us in the 1st half, but we still could have and probably should have won that game in the end. The only other team to "outplay" us was Stanford in the 1st half, but beat them 14-7 in the second half with a new QB.

Notre Dame is better than Michigan and should be favored by double digits points this year, but too many people focus on last year's records instead of analyzing the game itself and what they saw with their own eyes.

This is just absurd.

 

[jimmymac]

i agree 100%

i concur. maybe move michigan up tho, will be an electric atmosphere

 

[NDPhilly]

I would flip BYU and Stanford.

 

[ACamp1900]

I would flip BYU and Stanford.

I would say they are both difficult games this year though... in fact now that the schedule is up on the front page I just shake my head every time I look at it... Navy and Purdue are by no means typical tune up games... but look at the next six games after that... talk about no let up...

idk if any team in the country this year could honestly expect to get through that unbeaten. When Ed Cunningham said the 95 huskers couldn't win out with our schedule today I kind of laughed... but yeah, games 3 to 8 are brutal when you put them one after another...

 

[NDhoosier]

This is just absurd.

we will see.
I saw a Notre Dame team on its way to a double digit win @ Ann Harbor until they basically gave them points... Michigan loses quite a few people big shots while Notre Dame returns plenty of talent on both sides of the field. I saw a superior team beat itself, I am simply banking on us not beating ourselves again.

btw: I predicted 10 wins TexasND with losses to Oklahoma and U$C

 

[rock_knutne]

I keep trying to make a thread about ranking the difficulty of the 2012 games, but the website won't let me for some reason?

Anyway, I see it like this:

@ Oklahoma
@ Southern Cal
@ Michigan State
vs Michigan
vs BYU
vs Stanford
vs Miami*
vs Pittsburgh
vs Purdue
at Navy*
vs Wake Forest
at Boston College


Green = Should be a >90% chance of winning. Should be.
Yellow = Solid teams, but I'm not particaularly scared.
Oragne = The Irish will need to be focused big time.
Red = A very tough game.
Purple = Drink heavily beforehand and sleep through the game.

That's a pretty good analysis, although I think they will handle BYU and Michigan, they can also beat Oklahoma and U$C........it'll be tough but they have the talent to compete with them. I understand MSU is a huge rivalry but IMO, they're getting too much respect from the "experts that be", they lost quite a few weapons, including a seasoned QB.

 

[rock_knutne]

I keep trying to make a thread about ranking the difficulty of the 2012 games, but the website won't let me for some reason?

Anyway, I see it like this:

@ Oklahoma
@ Southern Cal
@ Michigan State
vs Michigan
vs BYU
vs Stanford
vs Miami*
vs Pittsburgh
vs Purdue
at Navy*
vs Wake Forest
at Boston College


Green = Should be a >90% chance of winning. Should be.
Yellow = Solid teams, but I'm not particaularly scared.
Oragne = The Irish will need to be focused big time.
Red = A very tough game.
Purple = Drink heavily beforehand and sleep through the game.

That's a pretty good analysis, although I think they will handle BYU and can beat Oklahoma and U$C. I understand MSU is a huge rivalry but IMO, they're getting too mush respect from the experts that be, they lost quite a few weapons, including a seasoned QB.

 

[Buster Bluth]

That's a pretty good analysis, although I think they will handle BYU and Michigan, they can also beat Oklahoma and U$C........it'll be tough but they have the talent to compete with them. I understand MSU is a huge rivalry but IMO, they're getting too mush respect from the "experts that be", they lost quite a few weapons, including a seasoned QB.

I don't think there's a team on the schedule that they can't beat.

If the fourth quarter against Michigan didn't happen, and the Irish won 31-7, people would be saying that this game is a lock.

On the flip side, Notre Dame stomped Michigan State on the scoreboard, but it was a much closer game and we're taking the Spartans too lightly. They did lose a lot....on offense. Their defense is the best in the Big Ten.

Soooooo much is up in the air because of the QB situation, it's just a matter of Golson going off and the Irish can go 10-2.

 

[rock_knutne]

I don't think there's a team on the schedule that they can't beat.

If the fourth quarter against Michigan didn't happen, and the Irish won 31-7, people would be saying that this game is a lock.

On the flip side, Notre Dame stomped Michigan State on the scoreboard, but it was a much closer game and we're taking the Spartans too lightly. They did lose a lot....on offense. Their defense is the best in the Big Ten.

Soooooo much is up in the air because of the QB situation, it's just a matter of Golson going off and the Irish can go 10-2.

Agree 100%

 

[NDBoiler]

i'd flip-flop Standford and BYU, but other than that looks pretty accurate IMO.

 

[Irish#1]

What does relevant even mean?

If it means NC's then maybe 5-10 teams are relevant in any given year and even that's debatable.

For reference, before their last NC Texas hadn't won one for 35 years, Auburn hadn't for 50, Oregon hasn't ever and Alabama hadn't for ~20 (before '09).

UM is irrelevant as crap, it's been 15 years!
Oklahoma is irrelevant as crap, it's been 12 years!
OSU is irrelevant as crap, it's been 10 years!
FSU is irrelevant as crap, it's been 13 years!

How dare we think a team stacked with 4-5 star players has a chance to win anything... we have at least as much talent as any of the other teams playing the game, with a few exceptions in the SEC.

I don't think ESPN's allowed to say anything that isn't polarizing. It's good television. I really don't pay attention to what they say about us. Even Lou is hard to watch, I know why some people hate us after what he says sometimes.

People tend to forget that when they feel like putting down ND. Every school goes thru dry periods. Bama is a prime example.

 

[Irish#1]

Lots of good points. We gave the UM game away. Hell if that goal line stand fumble doesn't bounce right to DR the Irish still win regardless of the TO's. MSU is just a close tough dog fight every year, but given they lost their very good QB, the Irish should have the advantage by having more talent and a better D. Every game is winnable, but like it was stated, how quick can Golsen get up to speed to make an impact? That of course is assuming he earns the starting nod.

 

[NDPhilly]

Right now I'm feeling 8-4 with losses to USC, Oklahoma, MSU, and Stanford but that could change.

 

[rock_knutne]

They're all winnable games IMO if ND can protect the football........I'm saying 10-2!!

 

[ACamp1900]

They're all winnable games IMO if ND can protect the football........I'm saying 10-2!!

I agree, there can be a case made for every game... my only thing is ND's recent history is what it is until it changes, and when you put all of those games together on this schedule like they are, with no let up week to week, very few teams can expect to have a great season...

ceratinly possible...

 

[Macrobbs]

Sorry, what

Sorry, what

thanks, you right have nice day

 

[rocket66]

Yeah there isn't a game on the schedule that ND can't win. The days of getting pounded by 25+ points (Weis era) are over. This team has the talent and coaching to be competitive with anyone. The next step is to turn the corner and start winning the close games.

 

[arrowryan]

Right now I'm feeling 8-4 with losses to USC, Oklahoma, MSU, and Stanford but that could change.

I don't see us losing to MSU. They are losing all of their offensive power and it will be tough to replace Cousins. I'm almost offended by you having us losing to Stanford. They won't be nearly as good as last year, they will be back to the old Stanford we are used to seeing. Also, the game is at home

 

[nsisk157]

I think we have the capabilities of going 10-2... here is a brief breakdown..but 8-4 is my cautious guess

Likely wins: Navy, Purdue, MSU, Pitt, BC, Wake
More Than likely losses: Okla and SC
Swing games: scUM, Miami, Stanford, BYU

I think Everett starts and he takes his lumps in the first 4 but we win all of them. That sets us up for our part of the season that will indicate our true caliber...

With 4 "swing" games in a row.. I'd be happy with 2-2, elated with 3-1 and over the moon with a clean record..

We head to Norman, first L... I think we have a 65/35 chance right now, but being away and the experienced Landry will do us in…
We can more than likely run off three and head to SC, but I think with the combo of Barkley and the WRs, we only stand a puncher's chance...

One thing about ND football that always concerns me is that one game we should not lose but inexplicably, we do. (Cuse, UConn, USF, etc...) I think BK has us in a place now that we won't revisit a Tulsa type game... I don't foresee this type of loss happening, but I won't rule it out.

All in all, 8-4 is probable and my contention...anything more would be incredible. But with a novice QB (Rees is out IMO), and a very untested secondary...

7-5, 9-3, 10-2..very possible... I still think 8-4..
I also reserve the right the change my opinion in the season, because if Everett does what I think he can.. watch out now..

Boom.

 

[FLDomer]

Why is it that a lot of people see Miami as a "swing" game. They were 6-6 last yr, they lost their starting QB, RB, 2 top WRs, 2 OL, DT DE, LB (stud in spence)..... There projected starting QB is questionable (back surgery). I think Golden is a good coach but we SHOULD be able to run ALL OVER THEM! Our front 7 should over power their oline and pressure an untested QB and stuff the run, leaving only their untested WRs against our untested DBs.

 

[phork]

Why is it that a lot of people see Miami as a "swing" game. They were 6-6 last yr, they lost their starting QB, RB, 2 top WRs, 2 OL, DT DE, LB (stud in spence)..... There projected starting QB is questionable (back surgery). I think Golden is a good coach but we SHOULD be able to run ALL OVER THEM! Our front 7 should over power their oline and pressure an untested QB and stuff the run, leaving only their untested WRs against our untested DBs.

They have Seantrel Henderson.