Will Weis survive another year like this?

[GoIrish41]

you really think that Appalachian State has better talent than the Irish?

Yes I do. At least experienced college players who know how to win. Those who really stepped up today were freshmen -- Neal, Smith, Hughes for example. The experience they get now will pay dividends next year and the years after. App. State knows how to win, and they weren't star struck by the big house and the maze and blue. Football is 90% attitude, and young guys don't know enough to have that attitude. But, they will, and when they do, look out.

 

[jonesman]

Little,
Saban is NOT going to leave Alabama for SB. Further, CW is gonna get atleast one more year. I do agree that he is NOT been coaching his kids up. They are underperforming and it is flat out coaching. Trust me, I know all the talent issues, but you will NOT convince me that our talent is worse than Bowling Green or other MAC schools who have shown competitiveness against these teams. CW is not impressing me this year.

 

[LittleGreenGuy]

Little,
Saban is NOT going to leave Alabama for SB. Further, CW is gonna get atleast one more year. I do agree that he is NOT been coaching his kids up. They are underperforming and it is flat out coaching. Trust me, I know all the talent issues, but you will NOT convince me that our talent is worse than Bowling Green or other MAC schools who have shown competitiveness against these teams. CW is not impressing me this year.

Saban will go wherever the money is, he left Michigan State for LSU because of all the money LSU threw at him and then left LSU for the Dolphins because of the money. He only left the NFL because he couldn't hack it but is a great college coach. Alabama threw a lot of money at him which was enough for him to leave the NFL and which would allow him to win again. Let's throw enough money at him so that no one will ever be able to out-bid us and win football games again. CW must go! Who's with me?

 

[GoIrish41]

Who's with me?

Nobody! CW is the coach at ND. Get used to it.

 

[LittleGreenGuy]

Nobody! CW is the coach at ND. Get used to it.

Alright GoIrish41, I'll give CW just one more chance.. but if they lose the next game then I will be outside Charlie's office all of the following week with a sign demanding that he resign. Anyone else here who wants to join me, if they should lose, is welcome to come.. who's with me on that?

 

[GoIrish41]

Charlie is a big dude, and, judging from your name (LittleGreenGuy) he may just whip your ass. It is amazing that you have only six posts and so many red bars already.

 

[kjones]

Nobody! CW is the coach at ND. Get used to it.

/agree. I don't like Saban anyway. That guy is severely "class-challenged."

 

[LittleGreenGuy]

Charlie is a big dude, and, judging from your name (LittleGreenGuy) he may just whip your ass. It is amazing that you have only six posts and so many red bars already.

wtf are red bars? Look, I will not deny that CW could kick my ass. It is very likely, but I would gladly take it if it helps to get my beloved Irish to win a game this season. But I am gracious enough to give him one more chance so let's see what happens in the next game. However, I will not settle for excuses like "we don't have enough talent" Good coaches make average talent great, he's not maximizing the talent of this team. Btw, how much money is he making in relation to other college coaches? With what he is being paid, my tolerance level will remain slim. You other Irish fans, don't be afraid to speak your mind even if it means that someone will give you a red bar. History was made today but it was the wrong kind of history and made under the direction of one of college's highest paid coaches.

 

[Timugen]

But I am gracious enough to give him one more chance so let's see what happens in the next game..

Well I'm sure the first thing Weis will do in his presser Sunday is to thank you for your graciousness, since you are evidently the as-yet-unannounced new AD that is replacing White tomorrow.

 

[WaveDomer]

Not another

Not another

I know it doesn't look like it now, but this year may just be a blessing in disguise, or disgust. If Weis is able to keep these kids focused, working hard, and fighting, you will see a TEAM that is so cohesive and battle tested a year and two years from now. That fight and that unity coupled with the talent could be unbelievable.

 

[piyachi]

I second that Wave...

The thing is here - this year is awful. Its not going to get that much better this year. We very well may start out 0-8 against this murderous starting schedule, which very well may end up as THE TOUGHEST among all of D1 football. So for those people thinking they are going to see a remarkably different team by next week 'or else' (what idiot makes vague threats on a message board that they cannot or will not live up to?), they are simply entertaining a delusion. We have played:

One of the best teams in the ACC
Two of the best teams in the Big 10 (11?)
One team that is the middle ground of the Big 10

The rest of the teams we play are no slouches either. Even our 'cupcakes' like the service academies are really teams that we shouldn't be able to beat this year based on the lack of experience. What we are starting is essentially a high school all-star team against legitimate college teams.

So yes Weis will survive this year, and people not beating on the same drum after the next three losses we endure would be nice.

In the history of ND, there has never been a 0-4 start...EVER. But to me this says either the program is circling the drain or going to be something exceptional in the near future. I'd say this season is worth the national championship or two it will be producing down the road...assuming no one is actually dumb enough to get rid of Weis. Just buckle down cause the shitstorm that is this season is going to stay ugly for a while.

GO IRISH... I DONT GIVE A DAMN IF THEY ARE 0-12 I LOVE EM

 

[LittleGreenGuy]

GO IRISH... I DONT GIVE A DAMN IF THEY ARE 0-12 I LOVE EM

I love them too but I would love them a hell of a lot more if they don't go 0-12. I know that you are all behind this Weiss guy but I'm not so sure that he is the best coach for us. Saban is obviously the best choice.. but if not him, than even that coach for Appalacian State would be an improvement. I don't know how we can justify paying Weiss all that money for an 0-4 team. I can understand loses to some of these teams like Penn State and Michigan but MSU is rebuilding too after losing several seniors and how do you explain the loss to Georgia Tech. Fact of the matter is, we should have at least one win under our belt by now with the talent we have. You can't honestly deny that can you?.. at least not with a straight face. I am saddened by the fact that you are so mesmerized by Weis that you would stand back and allow him to coach our team to an 0-12 season. He's not that great, how did we find this guy to begin with? We could have went after a proven NFL coach with the level of prestige that comes along with being head coach of the Fighting Irish, not to mention the money that we were willing to spend. There are unemployed former NFL coaches out there right now that we could get. What is Steve Mariucci doing these days?, we should get him in here to mix things up a little. He'd whip these freshmen into shape and won't make excuses about lack of talent.. he'd simply fix the problem which is lack of motivation.

 

[kjones]

I love them too but I would love them a hell of a lot more if they don't go 0-12. I know that you are all behind this Weiss guy but I'm not so sure that he is the best coach for us. Saban is obviously the best choice.. but if not him, than even that coach for Appalacian State would be an improvement. I don't know how we can justify paying Weiss all that money for an 0-4 team. I can understand loses to some of these teams like Penn State and Michigan but MSU is rebuilding too after losing several seniors and how do you explain the loss to Georgia Tech. Fact of the matter is, we should have at least one win under our belt by now with the talent we have. You can't honestly deny that can you?.. at least not with a straight face. I am saddened by the fact that you are so mesmerized by Weis that you would stand back and allow him to coach our team to an 0-12 season. He's not that great, how did we find this guy to begin with? We could have went after a proven NFL coach with the level of prestige that comes along with being head coach of the Fighting Irish, not to mention the money that we were willing to spend. There are unemployed former NFL coaches out there right now that we could get. What is Steve Mariucci doing these days?, we should get him in here to mix things up a little. He'd whip these freshmen into shape and won't make excuses about lack of talent.. he'd simply fix the problem which is lack of motivation.

A small hint? Don't watch ESPN. Then you can come up with your own ideas, and they just might be smarter. But i'm not waiting with baited breath. Try reading some of the other analyses here, or on bluegraysky.com. If you are willing to listen to others opinions, you just might learn something.

 

[onenybrother]

This team is full of freshmen and sophomores. Ty is the reason we are losing like this not recruiting 4 and 5 star players and all that. Charlie is just now getting the players it takes. But this year is hard to watch. We better make some serious adjustments before next season to contend for a NT every year. Coaching has got to get better and bring in 4 and 5 star athletes we can be up with U$C. We are going through a rebuilding period. We are a good 2 years away from the top of the food chain. We need to get Kamara, Neal those guys involved more. If this is the case next year then it's time to change Coaches again. Which I don't wanna ever do unless your name is Losingham or Freakin Davie.

Worst record in 119 years . Charlie name is gonna be next to that record not Willingham. So keep on blame someone whose been gone for three years. But remember I doubt if we will ever see a Notre Dame team play so putrid. So Charlie will be stuck with that record for a long time. Stop validating the Ty lovers or exlovers ( like me)
with these silly Ty comment. Charlie is on the hook for this not know one else.

 

[piyachi]

NYBrother I disagree:

Yes Weis record is 0-4, and yes ultimately that belongs to him. But he has shown he is a capable coach when he is given the proper tools. Tys lack of even mediocre recruiting has been a cancer growing in this team for years now. People saw this coming back in Weis' first year, so it shouldn't be as much of a shock as it is. This season is why Willingham got fired. You simply cannot beat college teams with people that have had 3/4 years to mature with 17/18/19 year-olds. Having just graduated I can tell you there is a huge maturity difference between being a freshman and a senior both physically and mentally.

Imagine trying to take this years top 3 rounds of draft picks and craft them into an NFL team. They would get slaughtered their first year.

 

[IrishOrange]

NYBrother I disagree:

Yes Weis record is 0-4, and yes ultimately that belongs to him. But he has shown he is a capable coach when he is given the proper tools. Tys lack of even mediocre recruiting has been a cancer growing in this team for years now. People saw this coming back in Weis' first year, so it shouldn't be as much of a shock as it is.

But Weis did a pretty good Job with Ty's players the past 2 years, by ND Standards. There was talent there, it's not as if he Darrell Royaled a pee-wee team to state HS Championship, he had talent to play with most anyone. Why is he struggling so now with his guys filling most of the scholarships?

 

[IrishOrange]

Not thrashing Weis, but blaming Willingham for not recruiting, when the last 2 years which ended (Tragically) in BCS games were teams that Ty had recruited, with key players Ty, not CW, had recruited

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Not thrashing Weis, but blaming Willingham for not recruiting, when the last 2 years which ended (Tragically) in BCS games were teams that Ty had recruited, with key players Ty, not CW, had recruited

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Can anybody see Charlie surviving if we stink next year also? He will be fired before the season is out if we stink again.

First of all, we're not gonna stink next year. Second of all, the difference between Weis & the last two coaches, is that Weis would voluntarily step down if he thought that he was the problem. He said as much at his presser when hired.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Not thrashing Weis, but blaming Willingham for not recruiting, when the last 2 years which ended (Tragically) in BCS games were teams that Ty had recruited, with key players Ty, not CW, had recruited

You mean like Pete Carroll doing the same thing w/ Paul Hackett's recruits at USC? Did Carson Palmer just happen to go from a bust w/ equal number of picks as TDs under Hackett to being a Heisman winning #1 NFL draft pick under Carroll & Norm Chow...or was it coaching? I'm gonna go w/ coaching.

Same w/ Davieham vs. Weis. The first two play NOT TO LOSE & strove for mediocrity; WEIS plays to win & expects NCs.

BTW, that's a lot of red reputation you got growing there, sport.

 

[IrishOrange]

Yeah, my Devil's Advocate hypothesis don't help my reputation much, i'm not trying to be a prick, just engaging in some type of debate other than "Charlie is God, and we'll win the NC next year because we're Notre Dame"

Being a fan is one thing, but sometimes Irish Envy resembles Jonestown more than a place for frank discussion

 

[dudexcore]

Yeah, my Devil's Advocate hypothesis don't help my reputation much, i'm not trying to be a prick, just engaging in some type of debate other than "Charlie is God, and we'll win the NC next year because we're Notre Dame"

Being a fan is one thing, but sometimes Irish Envy resembles Jonestown more than a place for frank discussion

you may not be trying, but you're still doing a good job of being one!

 

[piyachi]

But Weis did a pretty good Job with Ty's players the past 2 years, by ND Standards. There was talent there, it's not as if he Darrell Royaled a pee-wee team to state HS Championship, he had talent to play with most anyone. Why is he struggling so now with his guys filling most of the scholarships?

He did pretty well with Ty's UPPERCLASSMEN - there is the key. I mean can you deny flashes of brilliance from the younger guys? It's just hard to win with 7 seniors on the roster...7. He is struggling because we are an undermanned and youthful team. Period. I'm glad for someone with a dissenting view that you acknowledge that he was successful with what he did with the past two years teams.

The funny thing is, many people who criticize Weis don't seem to realize what an accomplishment it was to take those players and make them a 19-6 team. Those players, with a few exceptions were at the talent level of say a mid-level conference team like MSU or Purdon't. If you put ANY stock in recruiting rankings (I put some, but not all) then we really were hurting for talent but got by on superior coaching and excellent leadership from our vets like Quinn.

I wish this hysteria would die, but while our losing streak continues (and it will) people will bitch and moan. Charlies going to be a fixture here, a large one (physically and metaphorically).

 

[JeremyND07]

OK, I think we go 3-9 this year so that means 7-5 or 8-4 is a huge improvement and Weis would keep his job! The next year will be were Weis will be on the hot seat. I would say 10-2 or he is out...unless he gets a big win by then....i.e. USC or a bowl game!!!

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

You want to believe that, go ahead. Look at Appalachian State's win over Michigan, you really think that Appalachian State has better talent than the Irish? It was great coaching that allowed Appalacian State to win over the goliath. We have lost games that we should have won and a good coach wouldn't make excuses to the media that the talent isn't good enough. Weiss is not good enough to make a team of average talent great like say a Nick Saban would, I say we get Nick Saban here at all costs.

NO WAY. Nick Saban doesn't stay anywhere long enough and he's a liar. Next year will be the year Charlie has to really step it up. That means a 10-1 or 9-2 type of season and a big bowl win.

 

[Master Guns]

OK, I think we go 3-9 this year so that means 7-5 or 8-4 is a huge improvement and Weis would keep his job! The next year will be were Weis will be on the hot seat. I would say 10-2 or he is out...unless he gets a big win by then....i.e. USC or a bowl game!!!

I think you pretty much hit it on the head, but I think 10-2 is a bit much. I think 9-3 with no bowl game, he may be feeling it. But like you said a win over USC may make it good for another year.

 

[Irish52]

Charlie will not leave on his own nor will he be fired. STOP these bullshit rumors NOW. You guys posting this crap are either anti ND or you have your heads up your ass and locked.

 

[gipper2nd@yahoo.com]

Remember Charlie's own words: " If I don't win an NC in 5 yrs., they should fire me"!

 

[KamaraPolice]

LMAO

 

[NDOM]

NO WAY. Nick Saban doesn't stay anywhere long enough and he's a liar. Next year will be the year Charlie has to really step it up. That means a 10-1 or 9-2 type of season and a big bowl win.

Nothing about your post dude. but look at that ass! DAMN!