Now that Iraq is in shambles....

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TheIrishHammer

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Do we (And by we, I mean the government and the military, of course) cut and run or re-visit the strategy employed by The Greatest Generation and carpet bomb those cave dwellers back into the Stone Age and make them live in, um, caves?

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Dannyboy Ayers

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no we will not carpet bomb them. it would cause to much collateral damage and civillian casuallties. we will continue with the hunting down and killing UURRRRRRRRRR... detaining terorists
 

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agreed. Cut and run would be a HUGE ASS mistake, we will adapt and overcome and we will win.
 

Dannyboy Ayers

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agreed. Cut and run would be a HUGE ASS mistake, we will adapt and overcome and we will win.

LOCATE CLOSE WITH AND DESTROY THE ENEMY BY FIRE AND MENEUVER AND REPELL THE EMENIES ASSUALT BY CLOSE COMBAT AND PERSUE BY FIRE. MISSION OF THE MARINE CORPS RIFE SQUAD. GET SOME
 

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YOUR MISSION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT IT...quit typing in all caps
 

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I'm in favor of letting the iraqi's taking over their own security. This would include a timetable of when this was to happenh. Just my opinion.
 

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i think the carpet bomb would have been dropped several years ago if it werent for the oil in the region i had a buddy that was in iraq from the start and he didnt have to much good things to say about the gov / army that he was a part of
 
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I say we leave, but keep special forces in Kuwait. Let them all kill each other for awhile and focus on taking out terrorist groups that try to form there. 3/4 of the terrorists in Iraq are insurgents causing problems because we are there. If we leave, they'll fight each other for awhile until one group takes over and gets rid of the rest for us. Then we can keep just keep tabs on them from a safe distance, take out training camps etc. Democracy will not take hold in that area of the world. It never has and the people really don't want it anyway. It's hard for us to understand because we have over 200 years of democracy. They have thousands of years of kings and royalty and theocratic gov'ts.

I'm just tired of seeing our young men and women dying for people who hate them. Screw 'em.
 

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iraq isnt the only country that wants to hurt americans china is really pissing me off something needs to be done about n korea if it werent for china n korea would be a dust pile
 

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I say we leave, but keep special forces in Kuwait. Let them all kill each other for awhile and focus on taking out terrorist groups that try to form there. 3/4 of the terrorists in Iraq are insurgents causing problems because we are there. If we leave, they'll fight each other for awhile until one group takes over and gets rid of the rest for us. Then we can keep just keep tabs on them from a safe distance, take out training camps etc. Democracy will not take hold in that area of the world. It never has and the people really don't want it anyway. It's hard for us to understand because we have over 200 years of democracy. They have thousands of years of kings and royalty and theocratic gov'ts.

I'm just tired of seeing our young men and women dying for people who hate them. Screw 'em.

Didn't we have a civil war to figure things out???
 
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I think it's becoming clear that Islam and democracy..............don't really work out..

I say pull the troops out of Iraq, capture the oil fields of all Islamofascist nations, bomb the living hell out of Iran's nuclear weapons program, and stop granting green cards to anyone from an Islamic country. Without the oil fields Arab countries are nothing. They have no other source of economic revenue because they don't invest in their citizens.. and their citizens don't care because they'd rather focus on killing Jews in Israel than on their own children.

Mark my words, 20 million Muslim lives are not worth the life of any one American. Bring the troops home now and let the Islamic world rot - they've got Allah, maybe he'll help them out. But I doubt it :)
 

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couldnt agree more ogl but they arent the only american fo kim jung mentaly ill needs to be addressed
 

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I think it's becoming clear that Islam and democracy..............don't really work out..

I say pull the troops out of Iraq, capture the oil fields of all Islamofascist nations, bomb the living hell out of Iran's nuclear weapons program, and stop granting green cards to anyone from an Islamic country. Without the oil fields Arab countries are nothing. They have no other source of economic revenue because they don't invest in their citizens.. and their citizens don't care because they'd rather focus on killing Jews in Israel than on their own children.

Mark my words, 20 million Muslim lives are not worth the life of any one American. Bring the troops home now and let the Islamic world rot - they've got Allah, maybe he'll help them out. But I doubt it :)

wow... i can't believe someone just said that. stop green cards? just because they're of a different religion? that their lives are somehow worth less than yours just because they're muslim and you're not? i mean, i agree that the US shouldn't be in Iraq, but for completely different reasons. your logic is screwed up to the point that i'm actually angry. you're a poor excuse for a human being.
 
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Hey buddy, it's the first religious group in the history of the world that has brought about their own discrimination.

Honestly, I don't really care. If it takes stopping 100,000 'visitors' from coming to this country so that one of them won't kill an American, I don't really care about the other 99,999 people with good intentions.
 

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that's not to say that christianity, judaism and hinduism haven't become sectarian, and subsequently violent themselves.

the reason all that stuff is going on is intolerance. what you're spewing here is intolerance. you're just the same as them. you think their lives mean nothing because of what they believe, just the same as they do.

bigot.
 
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that's not to say that christianity, judaism and hinduism haven't become sectarian, and subsequently violent themselves.

Ha, yeah, it is to say that they havn't become sectarian.

There's nothing wrong with realizing that a certain religion is barbaric and fraudulent. You choose a religion. It's not like race.

If somebody aspires to be Muhammed.....they've got some serious character issues.

And I'm not suggesting I want to see Muslims hurt, I wouldn't for the life of me want for that to happen. I just disagree very strongly with the religion, just as I disagree very strongly with other idiotic, bigotous concepts like Nazism.

So, is being bigotous of a bigotous concept really bigotry? If it is, then I accept the title with pride.
 

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Also, in another thread it came to light that not only had you made racist comments in that thread (calling Ronald Talley a "thug" and saying that's why he quit the team), but that you'd previously been accused of making racist comments. Then in this thread you make obviously racist, bigoted comments that would be completely at home at a Klan rally.

So I guess the book is out on you. I can't see how you can pretend to be anything but a hateful, racist bigot. You're very obvious about it.
 
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Also, in another thread it came to light that not only had you made racist comments in that thread (calling Ronald Talley a "thug" and saying that's why he quit the team), but that you'd previously been accused of making racist comments. Then in this thread you make obviously racist, bigoted comments that would be completely at home at a Klan rally.

I almost called Muhammad a thug in this thread. Muhammad wasn't black.

And as for this thread, you should probably understand that Islam isn't a race. To believe otherwise would be......ignorant? Islam is a religion. And all religions are subject to criticism in a free society.

As for the klan rally, I don't think they would like me much. Not only am I tolerant of other races, but I'm a Catholic with a Jewish girlfriend.. and I'm pretty sure they don't have much respect for either of those religions.
 
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Hey buddy, it's the first religious group in the history of the world that has brought about their own discrimination.

Honestly, I don't really care. If it takes stopping 100,000 'visitors' from coming to this country so that one of them won't kill an American, I don't really care about the other 99,999 people with good intentions.

Being a new member of this here community, I'm appreciative of Pog Mo Thoin's views. This tells me I can be somewhat inappropriate when the muse strikes me......which is usually every post.

I am often counseled by an extremely self-centered individual, who happens to know his shiit. And by "counseling," I mean he likes to talk. He's a fucking Krakatoa-mouth, but he's not stupid. And what he feels is that, well, allow me to quote his words.....

After Desert Storm I, President G.H.W. Bush accurately observed that America has finally put Vietnam behind it. We acted boldy and decisively and most of America was largely proud of our military and what we accomplished. We showed that we could go to war without the nation falling apart.

That was a huuuge moment for America strategically. Other nations, allies and enemies alike, saw America demonstrate an unequivocal commitment to victory...one which we achieved without the nation being cleaved apart.

My sense is that the acorn fell very far from this Bush. Just as he parlayed a world united over America into global ostracism and internal discord, GWB has parlayed his father's major victory into a crippled military and waning civilian for further military engagements.

The biggest no-no of all was voluntarily overextending our military to the point where its breaking point is in sight and its ability to project power has been well-marked, in day-glo paint. What an enormous intelligence coup for other nations to see where our tipping point is.

Maybe Vietnam is behind us. But look over to the passenger seat and it's not exactly empty. We've found a new bogeyman to take that seat.

These books are the forewords to the final history and legacy of this Administration. There's more history to be written and, of course, we need to put some temporal distance between our conclusions and the actual events. But let's at least agree that the trend line doesn't seem to be cutting in the right direction.

And, as we remain engaged in conflicts, we're living perilously close to the precipice for both our military and civilian support for military action. Don't think that there aren't plenty of small-fry nations and leaders waiting for us the hit that point and then exploit it. It's already clear that there are some who are eager to bring us right to the edge. We may have no choice in the next few years but to cross that line and live with whatever hand we're dealt.

It will take some extraordinary foreign policy leadership and the right person in the Oval Office to get America through those times ahead. I don't see that coming from this Administration. But for a speech to the U.N., Colin Powell might have been that person. I can't think of any one else who will be able to dig us out of the hole when, inevitably, we march into it. I think he's been emasculated, so I also don't think Powell's the one. He just coulda been....
 
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Also, you're new here, so I should point out that the first of many (lol) accusations of racism was based on the fact that I said Darius Walker was the most eloquent member of the team. Another member who I'd had confrontations with before decided that was a perfect time to argue that I was being condescending to the guy by giving him that label. I didn't see it that way, but he did.

As for the thread where I said I thought Talley was a thug, I was probably in the wrong. You see, I thought he had come off as a jerk in one interview and so I assumed he was a Miami-type "football-first" kind of guy. Thug is a pretty loose term around here and it doesn't have any racial connotations.. maybe it's different elsewhere, but whatever, I won't argue semantics.

All of what I just said completely refutes the idea that I'm racist. A racist wouldn't bother to argue that he/she isn't.

And lastly, I don't really believe in racism. I don't think it really exists anymore, but people are told throughout their educational life how horrible white people are and how "somewhere" racism is ubiquitous. But I've never been to that "somewhere" and I've been through states like Alabama and Mississippi, and I found that the race relations there are a lot less uptight than they are up north. Likewise, I'm betting you're from the north, because northerners throw around the term 'racist' like candy and undermine the power of the word.
 

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anytime there is kkk skin heads an the like you cant say there isnt racism come to florida and tell me there is no racism true enough racism is tought a learned trait but it is prevalent from the top to bottom
 
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