Who Shot JFK?

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I'm prepping a PowerPoint to teach my kids about the assassination of JFK and all of the theories tomorrow. After watching all the film, all the reports... man... there is no way, in my opinion, that Oswald acted alone. The most telling piece of info for me is watching the film of Kennedy's head snapping back and the whole "magic bullet" thing.


Just wanted to talk about this with someone else!
 
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I saw something on TV a few weeks ago about the JFK assasination. They re-enacted "the shot" and according to them the bullet pretty much did the same thing. I dont really know though. I find it hard to believe that he acted alone.
 
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A professor of mine at UMD was an expert on the JFK assassination. James Fetzer is one of the most interesting people I have ever spoke to. Because of this, I am very one sided in belief that their was a conspiracy. There are other arguments, like on Penn & Teller: Bull Shit, that offer interesting arguments against a conspiracy.
 
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IrishInFL said:
A professor of mine at UMD was an expert on the JFK assassination. James Fetzer is one of the most interesting people I have ever spoke to. Because of this, I am very one sided in belief that their was a conspiracy. There are other arguments, like on Penn & Teller: Bull Shit, that offer interesting arguments against a conspiracy.
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I'd like to hear more... what did your prof. say?
 
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I find no other "intellegent person" more frustrating and thick headed than Gerald Posner, who is the foremost authority on the school of Oswald acting alone...

this guy claims there was no magic bullet, ignoring government claims... he COMPLETELY ignores the fact that well over half the people who were facing the grassy nole at the time of the shooting say they saw shots fired from that area and the fact that EVERY SINGLE camera that was facing that direction was confiscated by a presence that was not offically there, or flat dissapeared, only to have ONE of those cameras turn up in a goverenment store house years later... WELL HOW THE HELL DID IT GET THERE!?!? All the while no one thought to take Abraham Zapruder's film (who was luckily facing AWAY from the nole)... he insists that a bullet striking the back of a man's head can in fact make the head move BACKWARDS... and then calls the American public dumb and gallable for using common sense.....

I truely feel the man has a motive against Oliver Stone because I have heard him go on tangents about the Stone film being the only real reason people believe a conspiracy occured, despite the fact that the Goverenment acknowledged a "likely conspiracy" YEARS before Stone even THOUGHT of making a film and I can remember my Grandfather, who served in two of our armed branches and carried a Cryptographic Clearance at one time, stating very bluntly that Oswald did not act alone, period... he went no further than that... Posner continually (and correctly) points out the massive fiction in the Stone film as if that has ANY relevance to the actual case and then considers the case closed almost entirely on that fact alone...

Hell, we have wire taps from the Giancana crime family in Miami talking about a plot to "...kill Kennedy very soon in a southern city... most likely in Texas... being in the works" from a few months(maybe weeks if memory serves) BEFORE he was shot... and if there was ever a time and place in this country for a leader to be killed by his own it was Kennedy during the early 1960's...


would you like to know why I believe Pepsi Co. may have had a hand in killing him??? I'm serious....
 
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One question I would love to find the facts on is how did Oswald defect to Russia, give up Governmnet secrets, have a change of heart and decide to bring back his new Russian bride to the States, all while during the height of the cold war, and not get tried for treason??? Let alone allowed to come back with zero difficulty at all...
 
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There is a ton of info out there... believe it or not... that the KGB created a spot on Oswald look-alike. There are documents that show that Ruby and Oswald were bedfellows and such... and Carlos Hathcock, perhaps the greatest sniper in military history, couldn't recreate the shots that hit Kennedy. Still that magic bullet going through Kennedy and into the lungs, thighs, and wrists of the Governor of Texas is just fucking crazy.
 
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Why was the Umbrella man pumping the umbrella?

I personally asked wealthy, long money, blonde and blue eyed...people about Kennedy and was a bit surprised by their response.

Cold War. Bay of Pigs. Dallas connection. Too many connections.
 
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Honestly, I think the mafia or Castro had their hand involved. Quite possibly Jack Ruby was in debt to them and had to hire Oswald and then kill him once he was caught (not supposed to happen that way) because dead men tell no secrets.
 
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I should point out that this video dives in deeper to also the Wellstone conspiracy and the 9/11 conspiracy. I believe the JFK conspiracy, I do not believe his other two conspiracy theories.
 
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quite a few ppl would benefit from JFK being dead

Castro - Kennedy tried to overthrow him (bay of pigs)

Mafia - JFK and RFK(attorney general) were hardliners on organized crime and went to great lengths to focus on organized crime prosecution.

CIA - J. Edgar Hoover, CIA chief was a shady guy(as classified documents become more available, the evidence is there), with his hands into everything. Notoriously did not get along with the Kennedys (JFK and RFK). Especially RFK was looked at a 'goody two-shoes type' whistle blower, JFK gave RFK the power to go after these types of ppl. J. Edgar Hoover was part of the 'good ol' boys network' if there ever was one. (obviously, RFK was shot and killed mysteriously too. RFK, coincidentally, ran on a platform that included intense focus on Organized Crime, and was destined to be the next president - he had just won the California democratic primary)

Russia - Cold War era, JFK was charismatic leader of the opposition. Cuban Missle Crisis. nuff said.


Now add it all up, Russia and Castro were in kahootz, CIA and mafia are part of the same hypocrisy(especially in the Hoover led CIA regime). Given the connections between Oswald and Russia, Jack Ruby and the mafia, its just too much for it to be a single gunman.

I believe Oswald was lead to believe he was the single gunman, but in my opinion he was not.

I saw a documentary on the 'magic bullet' theory and they were able to explain alot of the inconsistancies in the government's final report. It involved forensic data and the magic bullet theory was actually explained to my satisfaction. however, it did not, and does not explain Kennedy's head, the fatal shot, bouncing backward when the shot supposedly came from the back. I think that is a piece of evidence that points to at least 1 other shooter. That has never been explained to my satisfaction. I think the 'magic bullet' was fired by Oswald, I believe the fatal shot was fired by someone else.

this is a fascinating subject, I wish I could go further into it, but unfortuneatly, i need to get back to work :(
 
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Good stuff, TDHeysus! Reps are in order for that.

You bring up a lot of great points. JEH had all of the presidents, from Coolidge to Nixon, by the nuts. He had so much dirt on them, there wasn't anything they could do to him. For quite a while, it looked like he was the leader of the country. The more I read & see about the guy, the more I dislike him.
 
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while you are looking at all of that information also take a look at who had the dirt on everybody. hoover had the slime on every politician and person of interest in washington. he was also rumored to be a homosexual. it is rumored that the mafia had several pictures of him and his lover (who happened to be his assistant) having sex. remember in the 50's and 60's a homosexual never could have had a position of power or respect. it would be interesting wouldnt it if the mafia said hey we are going to do "something" but we need you to pull off some of your guys and if you dont we will leak these poictures to the press. it kind of pulls alot of different people into the puzzle. fbi, mafia, castro (mafia was invested in the bay of pigs and kennedy owed his election to alot of ties) not to mention bobbie was going after them pretty hard. just something else to think about and or look into
 
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also to note, there was a sewer drain on the side of the road right before the bridge. if the angles are about right it would be perfect for the head shot and still have acces to an escape route. makes to much sense not to really look at
 
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I saw a documentary once which showed all the people in some way, shape, or form connected with the assassination have died of mysterious or questionable causes. I don't remember the name of the documentary, but it was fascinating. One guy actually washed up on a beach hacked to pieces and stuffed in an oil drum and it was ruled an accident. I wish I had the name of the documentary because it was incredible. They showed a flow chart of all the people who might have had valuable information that turned up dead or missing.

Really makes you wonder. I like conspiracy theories of all kinds, but this one really piques my interest because there is so much there to talk about.
 
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irishmarine said:
while you are looking at all of that information also take a look at who had the dirt on everybody. hoover had the slime on every politician and person of interest in washington. he was also rumored to be a homosexual. it is rumored that the mafia had several pictures of him and his lover (who happened to be his assistant) having sex. remember in the 50's and 60's a homosexual never could have had a position of power or respect. it would be interesting wouldnt it if the mafia said hey we are going to do "something" but we need you to pull off some of your guys and if you dont we will leak these poictures to the press. it kind of pulls alot of different people into the puzzle. fbi, mafia, castro (mafia was invested in the bay of pigs and kennedy owed his election to alot of ties) not to mention bobbie was going after them pretty hard. just something else to think about and or look into
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I watched a program called "The Beltway Unbuckled" a few weeks ago. According to the show, Hoover not only had dirt on presidents, but also quite a few members of Congress. It was pretty interesting. If I remember correctly, it was on the History channel.
 
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I also like some of the conspiracy theories about the Vince Foster murder...I mean, suicide.
 
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What gets me about the Kennedys assault on organized crime is that their father was a notorius bootlegger. He very likely had mafia ties or at least did business with them.
 
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I've heard that Oswald was seen in Cuba a couple of weeks before the assassination.
 
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I heard he was chummin' around with Omar Hunter a couple weeks before his defection. Really... I checked it out on Snopes... All true...
 
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OK, on a serious note...

Wabash, how did your presentation go? I'm not sure I know anyone who truly believes Oswald acted alone. It had to be a conspiracy; to what extent, who knows. It does sound like a lot of people would have benefitted.
 
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In a strange coincidence, I was born on the very day Robert Kennedy died. He was shot on the 5th, but died in the early morning of June 6th. And, my son was born on November 22nd -- the same day that JFK was assassinated (only 37 years later).
 
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sounds like the makings of a politician... hahaha i too saw the beltway show on the history channel. it was great.
 
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