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Where is the confidence coming from re: Gunner? Just curious to see if anyone has anything concrete here or if we are just going with the idea that he might want to stay closer to home.
 
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DillonHall said:
You must not realize how important the QB is in football. Even if he's only marginally better than Golson, Hendrix, or Rees, you sign Gunner.
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I am of the personality of some who wants to rip the head off the QB. I guess that comes from me wanting to hit someone rather than catch the football or throw one. The QB can make a difference, but doesn't make a team. My example is the Ravens.
 
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AdmiralBackhand said:
I am of the personality of some who wants to rip the head off the QB. I guess that comes from me wanting to hit someone rather than catch the football or throw one. The QB can make a difference, but doesn't make a team. My example is the Ravens.
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What do you mean? That Flacco is holding the team back from winning anything significant?
 
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Agree with the Admiral. The Ravens won a SB with Trent Dilfer as their QB. Ohio State won (with some ref help) a NC with Craig Krenzel. Flacco landed in the ideal situation, where he wasn't asked to do very much, especially in the beginning. The opposite of what happened to Brady and Jimmy.

If we had a fantastic defense and solid fundamental play elsewhere, we could win a NC with Rees.
 
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Agree with the Admiral. The Ravens won a SB with Trent Dilfer as their QB. Ohio State won (with some ref help) a NC with Craig Krenzel. Flacco landed in the ideal situation, where he wasn't asked to do very much, especially in the beginning. The opposite of what happened to Brady and Jimmy.

If we had a fantastic defense and solid fundamental play elsewhere, we could win a NC with Rees.
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I agree with you. However, that hasn't been Kelly's plan in the past. Nobody raises a team up more quickly than the quarterback and is able to hide more weaknesses. What's easier? Recruiting one of the best QBs in the nation or recruiting an entire defense that's the caliber of the defenses that you've mentioned?
 
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DillonHall said:
I agree with you. However, that hasn't been Kelly's plan in the past. Nobody raises a team up more quickly than the quarterback and is able to hide more weaknesses. What's easier? Recruiting one of the best QBs in the nation or recruiting an entire defense that's the caliber of the defenses that you've mentioned?
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I would say our defense is well on their way to becoming just that. With the addition of the DBs in the incoming class, that is. Without any setbacks of course.
 
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I'm tired of talking about this bullshit.

Kiel is not the right move for me, everyone else on the board feels differently. Move on.

Who do you have next?
 
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AdmiralBackhand said:
I am of the personality of some who wants to rip the head off the QB. I guess that comes from me wanting to hit someone rather than catch the football or throw one. The QB can make a difference, but doesn't make a team. My example is the Ravens.
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And Rodgers make Green Bay. Brady makes the Pats. Manning makes the Colts (now even more obvious). Brees makes the Saints. The Ravens aren't winning a Super Bowl any time soon without an all-world QB. The same goes in college. We're not Bama or LSU. We don't have the D where we can get average QB-play and win. We all saw our Qbs Saturday. Rees, Hendrix, or Golson could progress into the next Luck or Newton, but neither of those three have showed it so far. If they had, our offense wouldn’t have scored 10 points. An average USC D made us look pathetic on offense.

We can’t afford to pass on a 5-star QB any year, and especially not right now.
 
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PigtownIrish said:
Agree with the Admiral. The Ravens won a SB with Trent Dilfer as their QB. Ohio State won (with some ref help) a NC with Craig Krenzel. Flacco landed in the ideal situation, where he wasn't asked to do very much, especially in the beginning. The opposite of what happened to Brady and Jimmy.

If we had a fantastic defense and solid fundamental play elsewhere, we could win a NC with Rees.
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Last 10 National Champions:
2001 Miami Hurricanes- Ken Dorsey-Maxwell Award Winner
2002 OSU- Krenzel
2003 LSU- Matt Mauk
2004 USC- Matt Leinart- Heisman Award
2005 Texas- Vincent Young- Heisman Finalist
2006 Florida- Chris Leak-2nd Team All SEC, #2 Pro Style QB recruit 2003
2007 LSU- Matt Flynn
2008 Florida- Timothy Tebow- Maxwell Award, Heisman Finalist
2009 Bama- Greg McElroy
2010 Auburn- Cam Newton- Heisman Award

Not 100% necessary to have a top of the line QB, but it definitely doesn't hurt.
 
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Not saying Kiel will definitely pan out, but with that potential if he decides to come to ND you have to take him.
 
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Are you kidding, win a NC with Tommy at QB? Nice kid, works hard, plays his heart out, but he is he is. Not a NC type of QB IMO.

We needed him to stand up and lead the team in a super, season defining game. And he folded like a cheap tent. Didn't make the throws, got picked off at the wrong time again. And blew TD throws. Sorry, we needed him to be a good QB under the lights and he didn't perform! AT HOME with the pressure on. He did with little pressure on an early game away at Michigan, still made a good throw to Theo. But, didn't come through on this season defining game at home. Sorry, I have lost most of my little faith I had in Tommy.

Now it is the defense (like Harrison 3 ints, and Floyds domination) to bail Tommy out of the games the rest of the year like they did in the Sun Bowl. This may be hard on Tommy, I like Tommy and he isn't a Bad QB. He just isn't good enough to lead ND to the promised land again. And under the lights, under pressure, season defining like I said earlier Tommy didn't come through--not the only one. But, the most important one. Sorry, Tommy is Tommy.
 
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irishfan said:
And Rodgers make Green Bay. Brady makes the Pats. Manning makes the Colts (now even more obvious). Brees makes the Saints. The Ravens aren't winning a Super Bowl any time soon without an all-world QB. The same goes in college. We're not Bama or LSU. We don't have the D where we can get average QB-play and win. We all saw our Qbs Saturday. Rees, Hendrix, or Golson could progress into the next Luck or Newton, but neither of those three have showed it so far. If they had, our offense wouldn’t have scored 10 points. An average USC D made us look pathetic on offense.

We can’t afford to pass on a 5-star QB any year, and especially not right now.
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Bingo! See Robinson, Denard. An elite QB can make a huge difference on any team, a good solid defense and fundamental play in other areas combined with that QB play is what makes a NC team. There are exceptions to everything, but that is the general rule that has proven true through the test of time.

Aside from the obvious, that an elite QB is going to help attract elite skill position players, anybody saying we dont need a talent upgrade at the QB position immediately, or that we should pass on somebody as talented as gunner suffers from this:

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Kiel would be absolutely perfect in this offense. It'd be a dream come true.
 
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unconsciousTD02 said:
Last 10 National Champions:
2001 Miami Hurricanes- Ken Dorsey-Maxwell Award Winner
2002 OSU- Krenzel
2003 LSU- Matt Mauk
2004 USC- Matt Leinart- Heisman Award
2005 Texas- Vincent Young- Heisman Finalist
2006 Florida- Chris Leak-2nd Team All SEC, #2 Pro Style QB recruit 2003
2007 LSU- Matt Flynn
2008 Florida- Timothy Tebow- Maxwell Award, Heisman Finalist
2009 Bama- Greg McElroy
2010 Auburn- Cam Newton- Heisman Award

Not 100% necessary to have a top of the line QB, but it definitely doesn't hurt.
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Great list of teams that ran a "pro style o" and 3 elite ath playing QB in spread(what we run). Tell me how Rees fits into either category, does Kelly even have anyone pretending to play fullback just incase?.
Ive already stated myself in some other thread BK has to change O if Tommy is the man, its as simple as that. BK has to change or make a change.

To add to that I felt Kelly made great stride in changing thing up in the AF game for Tommy some under center snaps few normal running plays couple play actions. Then after an extra week to prepare he went back to calling the same 3-4 plays like the 1st few weeks of season-well besides the sneaky Rees option
 
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