While senate pushes to make

[stonebreakerwasgod]

global warming a 'national security issue', an MIT scientist (see drudge report) has come out to say there is no compelling evidence of a catastrophe looming. He says that those who feel that todays temperature is normal, are just wrong, as the earth has normal temperature changes.

 

[Irishknight1023]

I'd still rather not use Mid-eat Oil and we should drive hover cars like in back to the future 2.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Sounds good to me. Let's use nuke power and drill new wells in the US. Anyone against that?? OH yeah, the liberals.

 

[ShivaIrish]

global warming a 'national security issue', an MIT scientist (see drudge report) has come out to say there is no compelling evidence of a catastrophe looming. He says that those who feel that todays temperature is normal, are just wrong, as the earth has normal temperature changes.

By appealing to this one scientist among a few, you are still denying the vast majority of scientists who would disagree with his hesitancy. I know neither one of us is a scientist--so doesn't it make sense that we both would give more credence to the vast majority over the few?

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

The problem, to me and many others, is that a large amount of the scientific community IS ignored in their opposition to the global warming cause/trend. So I mentioned one who should have some credibility to most, being at MIT. I don't say I have any or all the answers about it, I just don't know. I do know that the Al Gore's around the world are causing an uproar over something in dispute. The senate is using this to gain poitical pressure and to continue this obsession.
I think Social Security is far more a national security threat than is something under much dispute. Too bad neither will be addressed appropriately.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

By appealing to this one scientist among a few, you are still denying the vast majority of scientists who would disagree with his hesitancy. I know neither one of us is a scientist--so doesn't it make sense that we both would give more credence to the vast majority over the few?

Well, it's not just the one scientist Stoney refers to. There are plenty on both sides. The key is follow the money. Who gains a windfall if Kyoto or other regulations & taxes are passed? The UN & the gov't. The EU continues to chastise the US for not joining Kyoto but even they aren't following every one of their own requirements. Of course, if we joined, the EU & the UN wouldn't hesitate to ensure we adhered to EVERY regulation and pay hefty fines if we don't. Meanwhile, India & China continue to increase their coal-burning ways to offset any neglible gain Kyoto would bring.

BTW, the planet Mars is going through a warming trend as well. The funny thing is, there aren't any SUVs, much less gas-powered automobiles on Mars. Hmmm. If history is any indication, the earth will transition to a cooling period in the next decade. Ironically, back in the 70s (maybe earlier), the scientists were afraid of another Ice Age. At any rate, these doomsday predictions have been going on for decades & obviously none of them have come to fruition.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

The left loves to point out that we are not in the Kyoto agreement. Wanna know a little secret......hardly ANY of the major powers that are signitories are following it either!

The difference is that the left and the American press would highlight that fact until the cows come home, while you don't hear about the other countries whatsover.
What happened to journalism?

 

[notredomer23]

By appealing to this one scientist among a few, you are still denying the vast majority of scientists who would disagree with his hesitancy. I know neither one of us is a scientist--so doesn't it make sense that we both would give more credence to the vast majority over the few?

its not a few scientists. Its 80% of scientists who not just think, know global warming isnt real. GLOBAL WARMING IS DEAD TO ME

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Dang dude, I'm not sure it's 80% that don't subscribe to it. But there certainly are enough that shoud give people pause before it being a definite catastrophe or listen to the Al Gore doom and gloom prophesy.

 

[kjones]

THe other key, seldom mentioned, is whether the scientist is speaking from his field or not. If the 200 botanists think that all human males are made of snips and snails and puppy dog tails, and one medical doctor says it's more complex than that, i'll go with the doctor thank you. Too many dumb scientists spew off on topics that aren't their field. Among climatologists, stats are much closer than most of the public believes. I'll search this up, i read it before.

 

[The Fly]

Got an hour -

WATCH THIS

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Who has an hour, If I were a kid, I would have been diagnosed with ADD.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Who has an hour, If I were a kid, I would have been diagnosed with ADD.

I agree Stoney, but it makes great points by actual scientists as opposed to Al Bore. In fact, they correct some of Gore's errors that he conveniently skews to his advantage. In other words a "Convenient Untruth".

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Does it really take an hour? I can't even watch porn that long.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Does it really take an hour? I can't even watch porn that long.

I assure you I don't have the time to watch it in it's entirety (yes, it's over an hour), but just watch the first few clips. I had actually seen some of this before but can't remember where...maybe one of the scientists was on a radio show or something. They do a good job explaining the relation between CO2 & temperature & how Gore gets it wrong in order to make his scare tactics a reality.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Cool, it sounds like the the documentary that showed all the lies of Michael Moores movie. It is funny how the left accuses the admin of lying when their "facts" are frequently wrong themselves.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

global warming a 'national security issue', an MIT scientist (see drudge report) has come out to say there is no compelling evidence of a catastrophe looming. He says that those who feel that todays temperature is normal, are just wrong, as the earth has normal temperature changes.

1 man vs 100,000 men... Call me when there are more than 10% of scientists who doubt Global Warming/Climate Change.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I man????...you seriously need to venture out into the world of the 'alternative media'.

There are plenty more than that. NASA sent a scientist to the recent summit who had some harsh comments about the pressure being put on everyone to overstate the issue. Scientists who don't follow the 'right path' are being subjected to redicule and death threats. Sounds like the 'learned' and 'tolerant' ones don't have room for those who don't follow the 'correct' line. There are alot more than you think, it is just they don't get the press.

 

[The Fly]

1 man vs 100,000 men... Call me when there are more than 10% of scientists who doubt Global Warming/Climate Change.

Didn't have an hour?

There is debate in the scientific community about the cause of global temperature change. Unfortunately, debate isn't allowed at the political level

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I think debate is wonderful. I also think the left is done with global warming. According to them, the science is done, and really don't care to listen to opposing opinion. Now that sounds real scientific, disregarding other input into the mix. That's when you know the whole thing has become politicized, not pure science.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

1 man vs 100,000 men... Call me when there are more than 10% of scientists who doubt Global Warming/Climate Change.

Sorry, that's just wrong. It's a scientific fact that CO2 rises do NOT raise core temperature as Gore claims. In fact, many scientists (meaning a helluva lot more than 1) point out that just the opposite is scientific fact.

I can't believe educated people buy what Al Gore is selling them. First, he invented the internet & now we should drive electric cars, quit reproducing & enact abortion on demand in 3rd world countries to halt the population growth. Suckers. BTW, how does Gore explain the fact that Mars core temperature is rising as well? There are no SUVs or humans on Mars. Gore wants a Nobel Prize and a piece of the carbon offset industry that will net him millions if the US agrees to taxes & regulations on carbon output.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

The scientist raised a good point that people believe that our current temperature is the 'correct' one. His thought as that there is no such thing, as it naturally fluctuates. I'm still waiting for a true believer to answer the question about what happened to the certainty of an ice age 30 odd years ago. Where the scientists, who acted as if the data was dead on, just as eager to promote the same gloom and doom as what is being done today?

Again, I don't know what is going on, or what will happen. I just know that there is far too much certainty coming from one side of this argument, when it seems impossible to create an accurate model about which they profess. At least, that is the common theme of those that don't buy it. In addition, they believe that certain criteria is being left out on purpose.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The scientist raised a good point that people believe that our current temperature is the 'correct' one. His thought as that there is no such thing, as it naturally fluctuates. I'm still waiting for a true believer to answer the question about what happened to the certainty of an ice age 30 odd years ago. Where the scientists, who acted as if the data was dead on, just as eager to promote the same gloom and doom as what is being done today?

Again, I don't know what is going on, or what will happen. I just know that there is far too much certainty coming from one side of this argument, when it seems impossible to create an accurate model about which they profess. At least, that is the common theme of those that don't buy it. In addition, they believe that certain criteria is being left out on purpose.

Just follow the money.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I heard that from a scientist on Hannity. He said the same thing. Scientists who want jobs, grants, and funding, will often toe the party line.

I relate this whole thing to journalists. They don't want to find/report the truth. They come at things from an angle, and work feverishly to find evidence to support it. Gee, how easy would that be.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Just follow the money.

The biggest money comes from those opposed to Climate Change... Corporations will pay big bucks to make it go away.

 

[ACamp1900]

I checked the globe in my classroom today... seems like the same temp. to me

 

[The Fly]

The biggest money comes from those opposed to Climate Change... Corporations will pay big bucks to make it go away.

Canard

 

[notredomer23]

I checked the globe in my classroom today... seems like the same temp. to me

lol reps

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The biggest money comes from those opposed to Climate Change... Corporations will pay big bucks to make it go away.

So who makes all the money by selling carbon offsets, if Gore's crazy scheme comes to fruition? There's corporations on both sides, my friend.

And I believe the UN would enjoy all the dollars they receive from the U.S. should Kyoto be signed b/c we'd be the only nation being fined & then paying the fines to fill their coffers...as usual.

 

[Newc]

I heard that from a scientist on Hannity. He said the same thing. Scientists who want jobs, grants, and funding, will often toe the party line.

I relate this whole thing to journalists. They don't want to find/report the truth. They come at things from an angle, and work feverishly to find evidence to support it. Gee, how easy would that be.

I saw the same guy on Hannity & Colmes the other night. He made several valid points and seemed to be unfazed by the shots that were taken at his argument or himself because he had simple math to back him up. He was talking about temperature in relation to the CO2 coefficient and how the relationship between the two has remained unchanged for decades. He mentioned that the fluctuation expierenced was a natural 1500 year process, which is why the ice age came and went and why the polar caps melt and refreeze over and over again.

I find it funny that Gore is at the head of this environmental campaign. Someone from my office was telling me about an e-mail they had recieved that told of two different homes of prominant american officals. One was an ultra moden house of large size that consumed more than 30% of the energy consumed by the average american household. The other was a smaller house that was more traditional, using more natural means of energy which resulted in a lesser use of energy than the average american household. Can you guess which house belongs to whom? The first is Gore's, the second is Bush's.