Weis comments on ranking

[NDgettysburg]

With the exception of Arkansas and UT, they play no tough OOC games, then lose to each other and say, "Look, no one can get out of this conference undefeated, so we must be the best."

There's a good bit of truth to that.....even a game between 2 shitty teams has a winner.

 

[VictorsValiant]

You need a dose of the facts. The girl, Hupe, said from the very beginning that she did not want to press any charges. In fact, the reports imply that she was telling the police to not take action from the very beginning. Now, she says she has no idea what's going on, but it's really important to note that she's been saying that all along, because that would mean that she's not trying to protect him or anything of that nature.

Typical Nd fans wanting something bad to happen to other teams. Bob Davie should step up and tell the truth. The people who claim they are the cleanest are oftentimes the ones who are really good at cover ups.

I hate this "holier than thou" attitude coming from Nd fans. This type of chauvanism is unacceptable and it should be condemned.

The whole Weis thing was a shot at the SEC. That's what this is about. The SEC has traditionally had a poor relationship with Nd for whatever reasons. Holtz probably mended that because he coached at Arkansas and South Carolina, but if the rivarly is that strong, the both Nd and the SEC should step up and start playing some head to head games.

 

[mirertobrooks]

I saw what VV wrote and just skipped it, can anyone summarize for me or give me the Cliff notes? He must have alot of time on his hands to be able to give such an insightful report on Adrian Arrington.

 

[mirertobrooks]

More VV more, we all value your opinions

 

[mirertobrooks]

When was the last time you had a date VV?

 

[mirertobrooks]

I'm sure the response will be:
VV- Typical ND fan, making fun of a Michigan fan or another program because they think their superior. My ACT score was 29 and I heard Brady Quinn's was 26, so Michigan football is better. Tennessee should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame, blah, blah, blah.

 

[tedwick]

If AA was drinking, he should consider himself lucky that the system simply didn't have enough proof to convict him. That said, I have a very very very very difficult time believing that he's the only college football player who drinks at least some alcohol. And I have a very very very very very difficult time believing that no current or former Irish players have done the same, or that the lack of punishment (he'll probably play this Sat, not that it matters), would not be implemented at Nd or elsewhere.

Actually, there has been a very recent incident like this at ND.

Rashon Powers-Neal plead guilty to a 4th-degree DWI last year while he was home over break. It's a misdemeanor in Minnesota. The only state imposed punishment was his license was suspended for 30 days. that's it.

His suspension started over the bye week. Powers-Neal didn't play in the USC game. His university-imposed suspension lasted through December 7th, but Weis lengthened that suspension through Notre Dame's bowl. Rashon Powers-Neal never played another down for Notre Dame. He's now playing pro ball for the Broncos. Notre Dame could have used him in every big game they had down the stretch. He was easily one of the better players on the team last year.

That's how Notre Dame does it. Believe it.

Arrington would be out. For a while.

 

[NDgettysburg]

Rashon Powers-Neal never played another down for Notre Dame. He's now playing pro ball for the Broncos. Notre Dame could have used him in every big game they had down the stretch.

Boy could we have used him!

 

[domerfor life]

Maybe people should read this link: http://www.nbcsports.com/cfb/242638/detail.html
Then you'll know he was actually asked about the rankings, but was only doing so in a joking manner. He knows ND (not Nd) has close to no shot at the NC. I guess that's not as interesting as the SEC conspiracy theory or ND having a "holier than thou" attitude. Vv, it's kind of sad that you are on this board even talking to us, when you should be celebrating what could very well be a special season for scum with fellow skunkbear fans. You continue to prove how ignorant you are with each post.

 

[dyrtdogg]

A few thoughts, if you'll suffer the opinions of an undereducated newbie:

I think Charlie going public with this is a calculated attempt to sway votes because, as several have pointed out, this ain't the NFL and wins are not weighted the same. I just hope this doesn't have the opposite effect and cause a backlash from voters. Let's face it, many are just looking for more ammo against the perceived golden child of CFB, and claims of whining fit the bill.

Did anyone else cringe when he mentioned "eating cheeseburgers"? I don't go on other boards anymore, but I'll wager that that is a quote making lots of hay elsewhere. I'm sure most of you could give a rat's ass about further fat Charlie jokes, but I wish he wouldn't open himself up like that. Then again, he could have been attempting self-deprecation, so what do I know?

The fact that the female in the Arrington situation claimed nothing happened does not prove anything, in and of itself. It is well known that victims of abuse often cover for the abuser. It's a no win situation: maybe she's covering for him or maybe she's just telling the God's honest truth. There seems to be no way to know at this point. Messy, yes, but that's the way alleged domestic issues usually are.

 

[tedwick]

anyone remember, was it mack brown who was basically begging for votes a little while back?

 

[Clotho]

I just think a Michigan fan, not involved with the investigation, proclaiming, at great length, that it wasn't really domestic abuse at all, or a big deal, and downplaying an incident he knows nothing about simply because he's a fan of the woman-beater's football team, is despicable and embarrassing and pathetic.

As I said, it's about as bad as USC fans this past summer claiming the girl their QB raped was a slut and a bitch and a liar. Many athletes, like many non-athletes, are scumbags. If an athlete on a team you like proves to be a scumbag, and you rush to his defense and downplay his crime and belittle his victim, you're a scumbag, too.

The best thing you can do, as a fan, is to not say anything about it. Coming to the scumbag's defense outs you as a scumbag, while villifying a player on your own team, however bad a thing he's done, makes you seem like a holier-than-thou phony- because we all know you'll be rooting for him the second he's back on the field.

 

[TexasDomer]

Given the struggles our OL has had with GT, UM, UCLA and others, and our secondary's penchant for giving up TDs in excess of 30 yards, I can understand why voters are a little skittish about ND.

The media have always been manic-depressive about Notre Dame. Early in the year, TSN had us at #1, and we were ranked as high as #2. Then we got our arses handed to us at home by Michigan, needed an amazing comeback against a mediocre MSU team, gave up 250 yds receiving to a Purdue WR, solidly beat a winless Stanford team, and then needed a miraculous finish handed to us by Dorrell's decision to go into cover two prevent rather than coming after Brady as he had--successfully--all game long.

The only way we get any respect is beating SC and winning the bowl--wherever it is. This next stretch of games, where we likely win the Commander in Chief trophy and go to 2-0 in the ACC won't impress anyone. There is only downside if we don't win convincingly or, God forbid, lose any of these games.

Beating a top tier team on the road at the end of the year is when it counts most--right before BCS bids. I hope SC runs the table before and after our game, and we get the OL and pass defense where it needs to be the next four weeks.

We're not there yet, fellas. And its gonna get worse before it gets better, unless Weis' recruits step up and over what's left of Willingham's "classes."

That said, we're at 6-1, with a legit shot at 11-1 or 10-2 going into a bowl. Not where ND wants to be, but better than where we have been since, oh, 1996 or so.

 

[tedwick]

I just think a Michigan fan, not involved with the investigation, proclaiming, at great length, that it wasn't really domestic abuse at all, or a big deal, and downplaying an incident he knows nothing about simply because he's a fan of the woman-beater's football team, is despicable and embarrassing and pathetic.

As I said, it's about as bad as USC fans this past summer claiming the girl their QB raped was a slut and a bitch and a liar. Many athletes, like many non-athletes, are scumbags. If an athlete on a team you like proves to be a scumbag, and you rush to his defense and downplay his crime and belittle his victim, you're a scumbag, too.

The best thing you can do, as a fan, is to not say anything about it. Coming to the scumbag's defense outs you as a scumbag, while villifying a player on your own team, however bad a thing he's done, makes you seem like a holier-than-thou phony- because we all know you'll be rooting for him the second he's back on the field.

lol... whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
it's been alledged that he assaulted her... hasn't been proven.
booty (or was it sanchez?) got the charges dropped...

 

[Clotho]

Are you kidding? OJ was acquitted, too. It's called being a star athlete.

When someone who hits and gets hit for a living, is kissed up to and treated like a god everywhere he goes, and has a sense of entitlement because of it, is accused of assaulting someone, sexually or otherwise, he's guilty until proven innocent. Most times he's never proven innocent; the case just mysteriously goes away, and whatever his name is can make it back in time for the big game. Local cops and prosecutors being, naturally, fans of the school.

 

[domerfor life]

I'm not saying if he's innocent or guilty, but we all know that star athletes on nationally recognized teams get somewhat of a pass. We don't want him to miss the big game, because that puts us in danger of losing. We don't want that. Oh, you robbed a bank? That's ok. Run a couple of laps and get back on the field.

 

[jiggafini19]

Why are they drinking in season, while they're #2 in America and playing for a shot at the National Title? Just curious as to why this guy would take an unnecessary risk when the season isn't even over.

I'm sure ND players consume booze, as does a vast majority of college students.

I'm also sure that it says a lot about a guy, regardless of where he plays, that he'd be out drinking illegally while his season is still in session.

Then he goes out and drives around in a car.

Powers Neal dropped the ball. Wasn't a team player and was not back on the team. To me, Mr. Arrington should be done. That way he can have plenty of time to drink while the other guys try to win the Big Ten and BCS.

He'll be on the field in Columbus, so I think our opinions matter little.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Regarding the rankings comment, you really have no leg to stand on. Does Rich Rodriguez worry about rankings? Of course. Bobby Petrino?

Oh, and another thing, Nd fans oftentimes think they have the smartest players. I would like to see some proof. What were the average SAT/ACT scores of all football players? Anyone?

I love this guy.....

I have no leg to stand on? First you post "No good coach worries about rankings." Then you make the post above. Actually, that's a bunch of legs to stand on. You never mentioned in the initial post anything about COMMENTING on rankings. You wrote, "NO GOOD COACHES WORRY ABOUT RANKINGS." Hell, if I can keep going back and change what I originally wrote, none of my detractors would have a leg to stand on either.

ND graduates 95% of it's players. That's #2 in Division 1A. Boston College graduates 96%. The next closest team is under 80%. You are really desperate when you have to challenge ND's academic standards. Let me guess, you were part of the people claiming several years ago that ND would never be on top of the college football world again because of it's academic standards.

You have over 200 posts an ND site. Do you realize you have some issues to deal with? You know how many posts I have on Michigan sites? None. Why? Because I don't care about Michigan that much.

Thank you for posting here VV. You make us all feel better about ourselves. You help us realize that our team STILL means so much to so many people that our rivals post on our site over 200 times. Now, be my little hater monkey and post some more outrageousness.

DANCE MONKEY DANCE! I command you.

 

[jiggafini19]

Do you realize you have some issues to deal with? You know how many posts I have on Michigan sites? None. Why? Because I don't care about Michigan that much.

Bam.

47-20 and on course for Columbus to play for the whole burrito, yet he still feels the impulse to come out here and bust our balls. ND Football is surely back.

Go Oregon.

 

[tedwick]

Most times he's never proven innocent; the case just mysteriously goes away, and whatever his name is can make it back in time for the big game.

where I come from, we like to call that "lack of evidence". like you said, they're never "proven innocent". likewise, they're never proven guilty. I'm not so naieve to think that cebrities never get away with things, but if you're not going to at least BASE your opinions on what people that know a lot more about the situation think, then what are you going to logically base them on?

 

[irishnd31]

I hate this "holier than thou" attitude coming from Nd fans. This type of chauvanism is unacceptable and it should be condemned.

Then for God sake, don't come to a Notre Dame board and talk shit dumb ass. No one makes you come here. Find somewhere else to flame.

 

[grantland]

Vv:

You promised:


http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=63453#post63453

 

[BGIF]

Vv ...

I tried to rep you for the appropos lower case "v" but I was not allowed.

As for the vow not to post again he broke that when he posted his cupcake cartoon. He was reminded that he had said he wouldn't post again but like a DNC or RNC Spokesperson he proudly justified his reposting by saying he was attacked AFTER he posted it. Herr Goebbels would be proud of vv.

 

[grantland]

I tried to rep you for the appropos lower case "v" but I was not allowed.

As for the vow not to post again he broke that when he posted his cupcake cartoon. He was reminded that he had said he wouldn't post again but like a DNC or RNC Spokesperson he proudly justified his reposting by saying he was attacked AFTER he posted it. Herr Goebbels would be proud of vv.

Thanks, but that Rep goes to Domerforlife.

We need to link his farewell post in response to every post he makes.

 

[Ant4NDIrish]

If you think about the poll the coaches in these big conferences r not going to give ND high votes because they know if ND is in the top 8 of the BCS they go to a BCS bowl. The coaches poll does count toward the BCS right?

 

[Master Guns]

Writing is on the wall, time to run up scores. The biggest thing the Irish are up against in the Anti-Notre Dame camp in the media (to include the polls) and the Charlie's peers in coaching that have a vote. Sad because it will take us back to the days were no matter what scrub team you played, you tried to post 50 or more on them (Spurrier, Bowden).

Semper Fi

 

[TexasDomer]

I'm sorry guys. What we are up against is an OL that isn't protecting Brady or establishing the run as effectively as last year, and a secondary still giving up big plays. As long as there is room for doubt about our level of play vis-a-vis the SEC, and as long as we lose against the elite teams (e.g. USC, OSU, UM) while winning games we are supposed to win in the first place, we are not going to get much consideration.

It's not some insidious bias or grand conspiracy. It's that our level of play, despite our record, is not on equal terms with the elite--yet. The only way to overcome this perception is to win out and win our bowl game against a top-flight team. Until then, the "stigma" of the losses and pyrrhic victories we have had will haunt us.

 

[FleaFlicker]

I know some of you guys don't want to talk about this more, but DJ Gallo actually sent me an e-mail in response to my complaint about his article.

Here is what he wrote to me:

Hi Chris --

Thanks for your note. I think you missed the point of my column. I don't
dislike Notre Dame at all. I actually respect their success, especially
because they go about it the right way, unlike some programs. My entire
point was that it is ridiculous for the head coach of Notre Dame to
complain about the polls. That's like the Yankees complaining about
rising payrolls.

- DJ

I thought some of you might be interested.

 

[HoffVir]

I know some of you guys don't want to talk about this more, but DJ Gallo actually sent me an e-mail in response to my complaint about his article.

Here is what he wrote to me:



I thought some of you might be interested.

It sure seemed more like ND bashing than a Yankee comparison.

 

[FleaFlicker]

It sure seemed more like ND bashing than a Yankee comparison.

Yeah, I didn't agree with his e-mail at all. It sounds more like he was writing complete rubbish just to piss people off. And when I e-mailed him about it, he just made up this stuff so that is wasn't as obvious.

There are still clearly a lot of flaw in his article, which I e-mailed him about again. Doubt I'll get a response again though. Really, I'm over it, it just gave me a reason to not go to espn.com anymore.