Warning Bold prediction inside

[scoutgod]

Again, most stats are for dorks. They can be twisted anyway you want. Watch the games. Then tell me. And Ty was NOT better than CW his first year...

Dumbass... i said 7 games in CW was no better than TW.... When they gave him the extension...... You said that I didn't know football......

7 games in TW was undefeated and days away from beating his 4th ranked opponent.
7 games in CW was 5-2 and had just gotten pasted by USC, and lost to an unranked team at home and a visiting team planted a flag in ND's turf. total humiliation....


Those aren't stats. Those are wins and losses... And standing there as MSU plants a flag in the field isn't swagger.... it was humiliation.


SO, again... dumb ass...... which was better seven games into their coaching career at Notre Dame?

 

[Dacian_Irish]

Tyrone Willingham took over a team that had talent at every postion from freshman to senior classes. Davie recruited well he just couldn't coach.

Weis took over a team with good Seniors (2002 class)and Juniors(2003 class) but the Freshmans(2005 class) and Sophomers(2004 class) classes were below average for ND standards.

Guess what those freshmans from 2005 are now Seniors.

Anyone who tries to compare the two coaches should also look at where the program was on day 1 of coaching at ND.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

If we beat USC, I will run naked through Urban Meyer's daughters bedroom. (the over 16 one!) And then I will take a huge steaming dump on the poodle's lawn.

I decided not to wait for a victory, so I went ahead and did it.


It was good.

 

[scoutgod]

Anyone who tries to compare the two coaches should also look at where the program was on day 1 of coaching at ND.

I was saying that CW did not deserve keys to the kingdom 7 games into year one. And Especially since his first 7 didn't exceed TW's first seven. "Better", "Best" are nebulous terms.

ND got what it deserved. Mediocrity.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Dumbass... i said 7 games in CW was no better than TW.... When they gave him the extension...... You said that I didn't know football......

7 games in TW was undefeated and days away from beating his 4th ranked opponent.
7 games in CW was 5-2 and had just gotten pasted by USC, and lost to an unranked team at home and a visiting team planted a flag in ND's turf. total humiliation....


Those aren't stats. Those are wins and losses... And standing there as MSU plants a flag in the field isn't swagger.... it was humiliation.


SO, again... dumb ass...... which was better seven games into their coaching career at Notre Dame?

Wow, wow, wow. Upset a little huh? Hit a nerve? Damn, chill the hell out.

Who's the dumbass who is defending Ty Willingham? You want to talk about humiliation, talk about being in a bar full of USC fans having to cheer for a team coached by that guy. You want to talk about humiliation, talk about a guy sitting here defending Ty Willingham (oh wait, that would be you).

Look, I WATCH THE GAMES. You look at numbers. Fine. Go read an almanac or something while the grown-ups talk football. I won't resort to calling you names; your posts say it all (Anger management classes might be in order though). But I will say this, the eyeball test is what proved to me that Ty's first team wasn't really that good. I watched the games, and many of us, while we happy that we were winning, knew the team wasn't as good as was being claimed. We were hoping that it was just great coaching, and when he brought in his own athletes we'd be REALLY good. Instead, the program went the complete oposite way.

Now, dorks like, well, like some people who shall go nameless, will scream bloody murder that since the record was better, the team was better. B.S. CW's team was better by THE EYEBALL TEST. Talk numbers all you want dude, but it means crap to me. If Ty won a NC, and CW went 10-2, then talk to me. But I watched every single one of those first 7 games of each team, and I had a WAAAAYYYYY better feeling about CW's team than I did Ty's. Go Wikipedia that...

 

[NDinL.A.]

I was saying that CW did not deserve keys to the kingdom 7 games into year one. And Especially since his first 7 didn't exceed TW's first seven. "Better", "Best" are nebulous terms.

ND got what it deserved. Mediocrity.

You mean by hiring your boy Ty right? Because w/ CW we got 2 BCS bowl games right away, then he got screwed by Ty's lack-of-recruiting, and now we have mediocrity. Next year will be the test.

Oh, and whom should we hire oh brainy one? I can't wait to hear this...

 

[Dacian_Irish]

I was saying that CW did not deserve keys to the kingdom 7 games into year one. And Especially since his first 7 didn't exceed TW's first seven. "Better", "Best" are nebulous terms.

ND got what it deserved. Mediocrity.

It is way to early to evaluate Weis. If you were expecting a NC your delusional!

Lets see how he does next year before we evaluate!

If not Weis then who. Remember before Weis our 2004 and 2005 recruiting classes were ranked in the 40's or something. What do you expect him to do with a young team?

You give me one coach that would have come here and recruited 3 top ten classes in a row..... oh wait they didn't want to coach at ND.

"THEY ALL SAID WE WOULD NEVER WIN AGAIN"

What coach wanted to come here? Um.... none.

So quit bashing him! He is Notre Dame. He believes in NotreDame....and guess what bro so do the players they are just young!

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Why have so many people here made reference to logic when it comes to college football? Just last year alone proved why this sport is so exciting. Anyone can win on any given day. Logic, analysis, computer models, and scouting reports do not apply once the teams hit the field. Sure we can beat SC. I pray almost every night that we do. I have said more Hail Marys for wins against SC than for anything else in my life.

Mick2, you showed some brass plated big ones for making that statement and my hat is off to you for it. I tried to give you reps, but I have to spread some around first.

NDinL.A. - if we beat SC this year, I will meet you at Johnnies for some hot pastrami sandwiches after the game - my treat! We will wear our ND gear and rub it in their faces while we eat some awesome grub!

GO IRISH!!! Sometimes hope (and a little magic) is all you need!!! GO GET 'EM BOYS!!!!!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Why have so many people here made reference to logic when it comes to college football? Just last year alone proved why this sport is so exciting. Anyone can win on any given day. Logic, analysis, computer models, and scouting reports do not apply once the teams hit the field. Sure we can beat SC. I pray almost every night that we do. I have said more Hail Marys for wins against SC than for anything else in my life.

Mick2, you showed some brass plated big ones for making that statement and my hat is off to you for it. I tried to give you reps, but I have to spread some around first.

NDinL.A. - if we beat SC this year, I will meet you at Johnnies for some hot pastrami sandwiches after the game - my treat! We will wear our ND gear and rub it in their faces while we eat some awesome grub!

GO IRISH!!! Sometimes hope (and a little magic) is all you need!!! GO GET 'EM BOYS!!!!!

I'm gonna hold you to that! (but ain't holding my breath though. I'm worried our offense will have a hard time even breathing against their damn defense. But our defense CAN hold them and give us a puncher;s chance. But I'll save that analysis for USC gameweek). Peace bro...

 

[scoutgod]

You mean by hiring your boy Ty right?
Oh, and whom should we hire oh brainy one? I can't wait to hear this...

JEE-SUS go back and read... I meant in locking the program into the hefty weight of CW 7 games into his first year. Then I compared his first 7 (5-2 with loses to unranked teams) with TW's first 7 (undefeated and soon to be 4-0 against ranked teams.)

All I said was... TW's first 7 games were better than CW's first 7.. and CW got a ten year extension while watching MSU stick a flag in ND's turf.

 

[NDinL.A.]

JEE-SUS go back and read... I meant in locking the program into the hefty weight of CW 7 games into his first year. Then I compared his first 7 (5-2 with loses to unranked teams) with TW's first 7 (undefeated and soon to be 4-0 against ranked teams.)

All I said was... TW's first 7 games were better than CW's first 7.. and CW got a ten year extension while watching MSU stick a flag in ND's turf.

I already agreed with you that the extention was too much too soon. But you need to go back and read. My problem with your argument is that your boy Ty's teams were NO WAY better than CW's. Eyeball test my friend, eyeball test. I watched the games, to me it was and is painfully obvious. History proved me closer to the truth. But fine, agree to disagree...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I decided not to wait for a victory, so I went ahead and did it.


It was good.

Beautiful.

Friggen beautiful.

 

[NDFLA]

During that 7-0 stretch that Super TY had, how long did it take him to score an Offensive TD?

 

[scoutgod]

During that 7-0 stretch that Super TY had, how long did it take him to score an Offensive TD?

... first drive of game 3.

... again, ... this is why the world can't stand Notre Dame fans. You have little sense of perspective or identity. I am not saying TW was a coaching genius. I am only saying his first 7 games were better than CW's.

-He beat 3 ranked teams, and week 8 beat a fourth. , CW was 3-1 and had a freaking Flag platned in the field.


Honestly, I am not even a Notre Dame fan. I USED to be. But the ridiculous crowd of clowns that root for ND with total myopia or a misplaced sense of importance... the ability to ignore decades of futility... the rationalization to excuse years of weak scheduling... and STILL will say they expect "Next Year, WE should be competing for and winning BCS games."

It's impossible to respect fans that are that irrational. Army football used to matter. Syracuse football used to matter. Notre Dame football used to matter. The road back is so much longer than the majority of ND fans believe.

So,.... yes ND should win around 9 games in 2009. UW, Wazzou... and the like will be one of the weakest schedule in Div I. ND will get a bowl matchup they can't handle and the futility will continue.

 

[NDinL.A.]

It took you a while to admit that you are a troll. Well done.

So you USED to be a ND fan, when things were honky-dory huh? Good that you jumped off the bandwagon at the right time, when things are tough. Give me Phork any day over a clown who can't stick by his team in bad times, and then blame it on the fans who are too myopic.

Name me one fan base that DOESN'T have some myopic fans. I'm not one of those. I call it how I see it, and I've told you, I saw CW's teams were better than your boy Ty's teams. Sorry the truth about Ty hurts so much. Sorry he got fired. Go ahead and give me #'s and stats all you want. Those who watched both teams objectively know the truth.

The fact that you call yourself scoutgod even though you think a horrible coach had a better team than CW's first team is a joke. Real scouts will tell you that Ty's team was a mirage, as was evident by his worthwhile firing just 2 years later.

So, see ya bandwagoner. (Nothing worse than that, is there?) Most people on this sight aren't myopic. Hopeful, maybe. Some are downright pissed, which I don't blame them half the time. But myopic? Yeah, a few, but mostly not. You're myopic about Ty's days, but you don't see that, do you sport?

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

... first drive of game 3.

... again, ... this is why the world can't stand Notre Dame fans. You have little sense of perspective or identity. I am not saying TW was a coaching genius. I am only saying his first 7 games were better than CW's.

Honestly, I am not even a Notre Dame fan. I USED to be. But the ridiculous crowd of clowns that root for ND with total myopia or a misplaced sense of importance... the ability to ignore decades of futility... the rationalization to excuse years of weak scheduling... and STILL will say they expect "Next Year, WE should be competing for and winning BCS games."

It's impossible to respect fans that are that irrational. Army football used to matter. Syracuse football used to matter. Notre Dame football used to matter. The road back is so much longer than the majority of ND fans believe.

So,.... yes ND should win around 9 games in 2009. UW, Wazzou... and the like will be one of the weakest schedule in Div I. ND will get a bowl matchup they can't handle and the futility will continue.

"Ridiculous crowd of clowns"??? Nice. Fans that stick by a team through tough times and down seasons are a ridiculous crowd of clowns? With that kind of logic, I would love to hear your views on Packer fans or Cubs fans. Better yet, pop off with some of those comments to a Raider fan and see where that gets you.

If you "used to be" and ND fan, please tell us what is your team du jour now? Are you going to jump on the Ball State bandwagon or maybe the Utah bandwagon? Do you still have your Hawaii hat from last year? Maybe you wash your car now with your Bowling Green t-shirt from a couple seasons ago.

 

[scoutgod]

It took you a while to admit that you are a troll. Well done.

So you USED to be a ND fan, when things were honky-dory huh? Good that you jumped off the bandwagon at the right time, when things are tough. Give me Phork any day over a clown who can't stick by his team in bad times, and then blame it on the fans who are too myopic.

Name me one fan base that DOESN'T have some myopic fans. I'm not one of those. I call it how I see it, and I've told you, I saw CW's teams were better than your boy Ty's teams. Sorry the truth about Ty hurts so much. Sorry he got fired. Go ahead and give me #'s and stats all you want. Those who watched both teams objectively know the truth.

The fact that you call yourself scoutgod even though you think a horrible coach had a better team than CW's first team is a joke. Real scouts will tell you that Ty's team was a mirage, as was evident by his worthwhile firing just 2 years later.

So, see ya bandwagoner. (Nothing worse than that, is there?) Most people on this sight aren't myopic. Hopeful, maybe. Some are downright pissed, which I don't blame them half the time. But myopic? Yeah, a few, but mostly not. You're myopic about Ty's days, but you don't see that, do you sport?

Ty was not my boy. Didn't care for him over anyone else. All I said was that CW got bank to justify his hiring.

and I am not bandwagon at all.

I was a casual ND fan because of Holtz. I am a huge Holtz fan. I loved Holtz at Minnesota and loved him at ND and loved him at USC.

I just too many examples of ND fans lowering their expectations as ND slid into being average.
I remember the uber- hype by ND fans surrounding the incredibly, almost adequate Ron Powlus.... and that hype... and think no differently of JC signing his letter on the steps of the CFHoF.
I see ND years ago kicking a last second field goal to beat Hawaii on the road and then jumping around like it capped off a perfect season... fans going nuts over average football... and saw the same all last year... and this year against SDSU, BC, and the 4th q of Navy.

I am a Yankee fan... and i HATE when they underperform. I don't make excuses or simplistic reasons... I look at the system and make realistic assesment. A fan should be the team's most realistic critic.... not a kool-aid drinking fool... or a hyper "Fire****.com" web designer.
I have coached high school and college football and won state championships and know what good football looks like. I have coached talent that has finished successful college and NFL careers and am able to see what is talent and what is hype.

I have coached Div I clinics on both coasts and I know the full perception of ND's talent level.

I know none of this will make an impression, I don't care. In all my posts all I have addressed is the fact that the ND community has an identity crisis and totally unrealistic expectations. It is a fan base that says winning close games is acceptable because "everyone brings their best against us" while excusing poor play.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm not excusing poor play. We all know it is poor play. But you have to be real. Your boy Ty left the cupboard by his horrible recruiting classes. I'm pissed off as hell pretty much every Saturday, but I know that it takes time to undo what Ty did. I believe that next year we will be much, much better. I could be wrong. i hope that I'm not, and that CW is the guy. But I'm not accepting mediocrity, and I'm accepting the facts. If we are mediocre again next year, I'll be first in line on the fire CW bandwagon.

If you're a casual fan, I guarentee you don't watch as much ND football as the rest of us here do. If you're a scout (not saying you aren't) then I don't see how you can say that CW's first team was worse than Ty's. I just don't see it. That team just got by, while CW's teams stomped some ass and had a swagger that Ty's team didn't (oh how i long for that swagger!!!) And they played better football.

We'll be alright, you'll see. I'll just lump you in the rest of the national media who hates us and wants us to fail. I'll take whatever you say with a grain of salt. Peace...

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Dumbass... i said 7 games in CW was no better than TW.... When they gave him the extension...... You said that I didn't know football......

7 games in TW was undefeated and days away from beating his 4th ranked opponent.
7 games in CW was 5-2 and had just gotten pasted by USC, and lost to an unranked team at home and a visiting team planted a flag in ND's turf. total humiliation....


Those aren't stats. Those are wins and losses... And standing there as MSU plants a flag in the field isn't swagger.... it was humiliation.


SO, again... dumb ass...... which was better seven games into their coaching career at Notre Dame?

34-31 on an illegitimate play is getting pasted?

 

[Rocket's Rocket Fan]

Honestly, I am not even a Notre Dame fan. I USED to be.

I don't even know what to say to this. Then why the hell are you even here? So you can bash CW like the rest of the media. I'm sorry but I'm sick of all of the can Charlie talk. The AD said it won't happen get the F&^# over it, not just you but eveyone.

Remember this team won 3 games last year. We were horrible. There has been some improvement, I don't think anyone can say there hasn't been.

Am I disappointed with this year. Yes, but the team has improved. I see next year being a very good year for the Irish.

And I don't want to hear complaining about the I'm sick of waiting for next year. I'm a cleveland fan. I have to wait for next year every year is sports.

Sorry everyone but I've really needed to vent.

 

[scoutgod]

I'm not excusing poor play. We all know it is poor play. But you have to be real. Your boy Ty left the cupboard by his horrible recruiting classes.

Again... Ty is not my boy, and I am not referring to you. I poked my head onto this site to see what the ND community was saying about this year. And I found a spectrum of fans, rational, to bi polar. You seem rational to me, and I know every program has the rabid kool aid drinkers and the nasty super critics... but Notre Dame is by nature different. There should be a little more expected of both the team and the super fan. I have watched just about every ND game, which isn't hard due to NBC. I root for coaches since that is my angle. I coach with a lot of these guys at clinics and while the super fan puts on a foam finger each weekend, I put on a headset. I have a different perspective. The thing that gets me about ND fans is that no matter where the program is... on the level of a good Michigan team, or like now, an average Purdue team, or the year last year, the loudest fans still believe they are one thing away from a National Championship, all the while ignoring a horrific bowl record. Go back before 1988 even.... how many of those national championships even included a bowl appearance. The isolated nature of ND creates its own fishbowl, and that fishbowl acts as a magnifying glass. And in the last 20 years the rest of the college football world has progressed and evolved while ND has clung tightly to a mystical past, rewinding Rockne speeches and Rudy movies and equating those ghosts as a competitive replacement for the hard work other schools put in. South Bend makes the same mistakes that the Cleveland Browns do. They listen to the fans too much and believe something about themselves that no one else does. While any other fan would listen to the AD last week and read the subtext of stinging criticism and the kiss of death "He is the coach right now and will be in the future".... ND fans on here think that was some sort of endorsement... it was a guy trying to create wiggle room to get out of the mess that he inherited.


... but ultimately I have little respect for players like JC that held his signing that way. If Florida State's #1 recruit had done that.... on those steps.... wouldn't you howl at the arrogance and rue the selfish direction that college football has taken?

Arrogance is one thing.... but arrogance without the game to back it up is a sorry thing to observe.

 

[scoutgod]

I don't even know what to say to this. Then why the hell are you even here? So you can bash CW like the rest of the media. I'm sorry but I'm sick of all of the can Charlie talk. The AD said it won't happen get the F&^# over it, not just you but eveyone.

Like I said, I am a Lou Holtz guy. I have rooted for him forever. And I am not saying fire CW. I am saying that the short sightedness that plagues the ND program, since Lou left, got what it deserved in this case.

 

[mick2]

Again... Ty is not my boy, and I am not referring to you. I poked my head onto this site to see what the ND community was saying about this year. And I found a spectrum of fans, rational, to bi polar. You seem rational to me, and I know every program has the rabid kool aid drinkers and the nasty super critics... but Notre Dame is by nature different. There should be a little more expected of both the team and the super fan. I have watched just about every ND game, which isn't hard due to NBC. I root for coaches since that is my angle. I coach with a lot of these guys at clinics and while the super fan puts on a foam finger each weekend, I put on a headset. I have a different perspective. The thing that gets me about ND fans is that no matter where the program is... on the level of a good Michigan team, or like now, an average Purdue team, or the year last year, the loudest fans still believe they are one thing away from a National Championship, all the while ignoring a horrific bowl record. Go back before 1988 even.... how many of those national championships even included a bowl appearance. The isolated nature of ND creates its own fishbowl, and that fishbowl acts as a magnifying glass. And in the last 20 years the rest of the college football world has progressed and evolved while ND has clung tightly to a mystical past, rewinding Rockne speeches and Rudy movies and equating those ghosts as a competitive replacement for the hard work other schools put in. South Bend makes the same mistakes that the Cleveland Browns do. They listen to the fans too much and believe something about themselves that no one else does. While any other fan would listen to the AD last week and read the subtext of stinging criticism and the kiss of death "He is the coach right now and will be in the future".... ND fans on here think that was some sort of endorsement... it was a guy trying to create wiggle room to get out of the mess that he inherited.


... but ultimately I have little respect for players like JC that held his signing that way. If Florida State's #1 recruit had done that.... on those steps.... wouldn't you howl at the arrogance and rue the selfish direction that college football has taken?

Arrogance is one thing.... but arrogance without the game to back it up is a sorry thing to observe.

Where do you/did you coach? I have a lot of friends in the coaching ranks. and most of them have told me that they can see a pretty good player in clausen, yeah he was cocky and yeah hes not having a heisman like year but hes a damn soph, who played most of last year on his ass.

if your not a fan fine, but at least bring something with substance to the table.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

Honestly, I am not even a Notre Dame fan. I USED to be.

Um.... I honestly don't know what to say! Once a ND fan always a ND fan so you must have never been a fan to begin with.

Now that you have jumped ship don't swim back when we start winning..... with CW.

You have no heart bro!

 

[scoutgod]

Where do you/did you coach? I have a lot of friends in the coaching ranks. and most of them have told me that they can see a pretty good player in clausen, yeah he was cocky and yeah hes not having a heisman like year but hes a damn soph, who played most of last year on his ass.

if your not a fan fine, but at least bring something with substance to the table.

Dude, for the sake of sanity I will tell you that I coached in SoCal and Ohio on both levels, coached against Oaks Christian in two sports, won a state title twice... not a scout.. a coach.

I am not saying JC is a bad QB. I am saying that act of signing like that was totally ridiculous and if ANY other recruit did that, the ND community would have howled at it. ... but there was silence since it was their guy.... and the reason for that is not simple hypocrisy it is this.....

The prevailing Notre Dame community has this bizarre dynamic where it is always looking for some "anointed one" to come and be the next Rockne/Gipper/Montana/Holtz... and the last 20 years, and emphasized by the NBC contract, there have been a parade of disasters and mediocrity as the expectations increase. Powlus, .....a parade of adaquete LB's/RB's weak receivers, NFL busts, coaching drama... and finally the hopes fell on two guys, CW and JC. The results are iffy. Two BCS losses.... yes CW gets those... but more squarely is this... last season ALL of you held your breath when JC was in shotgun..... a division one school had season long problems completing a shotgun snap. THAT rests entirely on the organizational and coaching prowess of CW,.... and that is horrible. That is first year nonsense... like what Michigan is suffering through. Not third year... and he locked up a ten year deal.. that was written with that "the chosen one has finally come" mentality.... "Bush-Push or not"


and as far as JC goes... if you cannot look at his arrogance objectively.. "He may be a prick, but he is OUR prick" then ND is not morally superior. I always thought ND was more special than that. You KNOW Lou Holtz would not have allowed that to happen. What Beano Cooke said about Powlus, LH could not control. The anointing ceremony was nothing but self congratulatory, empty arrogance. oh he is nowhere NEAR Heisman quality. I could see a semi finalist his senior year at best.


there is your substantive evaluation of the bizarre/unique Notre Dame conundrum.

 

[scoutgod]

Honestly, I am not even a Notre Dame fan. I USED to be.

Um.... I honestly don't know what to say! Once a ND fan always a ND fan so you must have never been a fan to begin with.

Now that you have jumped ship don't swim back when we start winning..... with CW.

You have no heart bro!

ugh.... like i said before.. i am a Holtz fan..... that is why I followed and rooted for LH ... and for Ricky Foggie at Minnesota.... and Notre Dame.. and the Game Cocks. I listen to that man, read his books and try to coach like him. But no... i never said I was an Irish Superfan.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Dude, for the sake of sanity I will tell you that I coached in SoCal and Ohio on both levels, coached against Oaks Christian in two sports, won a state title twice... not a scout.. a coach.

I am not saying JC is a bad QB. I am saying that act of signing like that was totally ridiculous and if ANY other recruit did that, the ND community would have howled at it. ... but there was silence since it was their guy.... and the reason for that is not simple hypocrisy it is this.....

The prevailing Notre Dame community has this bizarre dynamic where it is always looking for some "anointed one" to come and be the next Rockne/Gipper/Montana/Holtz... and the last 20 years, and emphasized by the NBC contract, there have been a parade of disasters and mediocrity as the expectations increase. Powlus, .....a parade of adaquete LB's/RB's weak receivers, NFL busts, coaching drama... and finally the hopes fell on two guys, CW and JC. The results are iffy. Two BCS losses.... yes CW gets those... but more squarely is this... last season ALL of you held your breath when JC was in shotgun..... a division one school had season long problems completing a shotgun snap. THAT rests entirely on the organizational and coaching prowess of CW,.... and that is horrible. That is first year nonsense... like what Michigan is suffering through. Not third year... and he locked up a ten year deal.. that was written with that "the chosen one has finally come" mentality.... "Bush-Push or not"


and as far as JC goes... if you cannot look at his arrogance objectively.. "He may be a prick, but he is OUR prick" then ND is not morally superior. I always thought ND was more special than that. You KNOW Lou Holtz would not have allowed that to happen. What Beano Cooke said about Powlus, LH could not control. The anointing ceremony was nothing but self congratulatory, empty arrogance. oh he is nowhere NEAR Heisman quality. I could see a semi finalist his senior year at best.


there is your substantive evaluation of the bizarre/unique Notre Dame conundrum.

That's a loaded post, and my students are returning in a minute, but I will say this: Your boy Ty's recruiting was a direct cause of what happened last year. Yes, CW had a hand in it, but it was like a 1st year squad because of the lack of talent. I won't take anything you say seriously if you say things like that without telling the entire truth.

And I love what JC did because WE NEED SWAGGER!!! If it was another school's athlete, personally I would have been fine with it, but I can see why others aren't. I could care less.

EVERY SCHOOL'S FAN BASE IS HYPOCRITICAL!!!. Of course you defend your own. What do you expect?

Please, someone with more time school him!

 

[scoutgod]

Your boy Ty's recruiting was a direct cause of what happened last year. Yes, CW had a hand in it, but it was like a 1st year squad because of the lack of talent. I won't take anything you say seriously if you say things like that without telling the entire truth.

Ty... is not my boy. When did I say he was "my" boy?

but regardless.... Ty leaves in 2004 ... and... 3 years later it is his fault that a shotgun snap is an iffy proposition? Is Charlie that weak of a coach and offensive guru, that in his 3rd year he can't manage a shotgun snap?

Let me clear. I think Ty and CW both were/are over-matched for the job. Both are/were inadequate.

But I think I hear your point... the BCS bowl births, with Ty's recruits were to CW's credit... and the horrid offensive scheme and execution 3 years into CW's reign are Ty's fault. Hell I don't care either way, I think they both are ineffective coaches... and the bowl record... the one time ND steps out of it's managed program, shows it. Other programs don't know who they will meet in Conference championship games, as well as bowl games and manage to succeed. CW, TW, whatever... doesn't matter much to me.

 

[mick2]

Ty... is not my boy. When did I say he was "my" boy?

but regardless.... Ty leaves in 2004 ... and... 3 years later it is his fault that a shotgun snap is an iffy proposition? Is Charlie that weak of a coach and offensive guru, that in his 3rd year he can't manage a shotgun snap?

Let me clear. I think Ty and CW both were/are over-matched for the job. Both are/were inadequate.

But I think I hear your point... the BCS bowl births, with Ty's recruits were to CW's credit... and the horrid offensive scheme and execution 3 years into CW's reign are Ty's fault. Hell I don't care either way, I think they both are ineffective coaches... and the bowl record... the one time ND steps out of it's managed program, shows it. Other programs don't know who they will meet in Conference championship games, as well as bowl games and manage to succeed. CW, TW, whatever... doesn't matter much to me.

maybe you should throw your hat into the ring there coach?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

maybe you should throw your hat into the ring there coach?

LOL. That's what I was thinking. Scout brings up good points here and there though, but why not identify yourself if you are going to boldy make such claims as to being an all world coach? And why find this forum and take the time to post?

Yo Coach: Are you Jimmy Johnson?