Upset Alert 2015

[pkt77242]

Yup. A two-loss ACC champion would be better for us that a "good loss" against the eventual undefeated ACC champion.

I think it depends on what the other conference champions records look like.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Oh, no doubt Michigan jumps us, and considering the state of affairs in LA, beating USC will not make up for it, unless MSU blasts Michigan.

UM deserves to jump us. They'd beat us right now.

Really? I don't think they do, or should. They've played 1 team with any legit offense. Utah. And they lost. Don't get me wrong, 3 shutout games (or whatever it is) is impressive. But they're schedule is softer than ours has been.

 

[koonja]

Bielema is going to blow this game if he stays so predictable.

 

[NDgradstudent]

K State likely going to cough up the game against TCU.

 

[NDPhilly]

jesus christ Arkansas. Ridley is a beast. Future first round pick

 

[philipm31]

UGH, Bama with a LONG TD and TCU with a defensive TD.

 

[philipm31]

Really? I don't think they do, or should. They've played 1 team with any legit offense. Utah. And they lost. Don't get me wrong, 3 shutout games (or whatever it is) is impressive. But they're schedule is softer than ours has been.

Who has ND played that is legit on either side of the ball, much less won?

Nobody.

So, yes, RIGHT NOW, UM deserves to jump us. Unless Sparty blitzes the fvck out of them.

 

[wizards8507]

Really? I don't think they do, or should. They've played 1 team with any legit offense. Utah. And they lost. Don't get me wrong, 3 shutout games (or whatever it is) is impressive. But they're schedule is softer than ours has been.

Really? They did to Northwestern what we did to Texas and Northwestern is way better than Texas.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I hate to agree, but it is true. Right now, I am not sure we could score enough to win. Their D is strong AF.

They took Oregon State, UNLV, and BYU, had them fly across the country and play an early game.

 

[KPENN]

They took Oregon State, UNLV, and BYU, had them fly across the country and play an early game.

This.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Who has ND played that is legit on either side of the ball, much less won?

Nobody.

So, yes, RIGHT NOW, UM deserves to jump us. Unless Sparty blitzes the fvck out of them.

Clemson

EDIT: Navy is legit on offense, no? Averaged 38.5 points per game coming in.

 

[wizards8507]

Bielema is going to blow this game if he stays so predictable.

Or if they do dumb AF things like fake punts.

 

[MNIrishman]

Really? They did to Northwestern what we did to Texas and Northwestern is way better than Texas.

Are they? Texas just knocked out a top ten team on a neutral field and went toe to toe with okst and cal, both undefeated teams. Yeah, Texas got blown out by TCU, but Northwestern just got jobbed by Michigan. I don't know there's a convincing argument to be made that Northwestern is a better team than Texas. Unless you find close wins against Ball State impressive?

 

[philipm31]

They took Oregon State, UNLV, and BYU, had them fly across the country and play an early game.

That has NOTHING to do with their defense, particularly after today's result where they shut out a top 15 team. I hate UM as much as anyone, but there is no way you can say that ND is far better than UM so far.

So, yeah, fck Michigan, but they are currently playing far better as a team than we have been.

 

[NDPhilly]

They took Oregon State, UNLV, and BYU, had them fly across the country and play an early game.

I'd say that's pretty damn smart by Dave Brandon

 

[Irish Insanity]

That has NOTHING to do with their defense, particularly after today's result where they shut out a top 15 team. I hate UM as much as anyone, but there is no way you can say that ND is far better than UM so far.

So, yeah, fck Michigan, but they are currently playing far better as a team than we have been.

Taking 3 already not very good offenses, having them travel across the country and playing an early game has nothing to do with them holding them to little or no points?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'd say that's pretty damn smart by Dave Brandon

Yes it was.

They opened the season @ UTAH. Then 3 straight OOC games, against weak teams, all from the west side of the country, all at home, all at Noon.

 

[philipm31]

Clemson

EDIT: Navy is legit on offense, no? Averaged 38.5 points per game coming in.

One-dimensional teams are not legit on offense.

Clemson yes, but we lost and our defensive line and OL got MANHANDLED the majority of the the game.

So basically, the game would be a toss up, but considering how porous ND has been defensively at times, particularly early in the last two games, yeah, I would say that UM deserves to be ranked ahead of ND. It likely does not matter in the long run, but right now, they ARE playing better than ND...ever so slightly.

 

[MNIrishman]

That has NOTHING to do with their defense, particularly after today's result where they shut out a top 15 team. I hate UM as much as anyone, but there is no way you can say that ND is far better than UM so far.

So, yeah, fck Michigan, but they are currently playing far better as a team than we have been.

Northwestern will lose more, I have no doubt. They barely beat Ball State, ffs. How does setting up noon games against opponents from the west coast not apply to the defense? These guys were playing football when many of them would ordinarily still be sleeping. You don't think that has an effect on how those teams play? Yeah, they're playing well, but it's also inflated by what how the schedule is set up.

 

[wizards8507]

Are they? Texas just knocked out a top ten team on a neutral field and went toe to toe with okst and cal, both undefeated teams. Yeah, Texas got blown out by TCU, but Northwestern just got jobbed by Michigan. I don't know there's a convincing argument to be made that Northwestern is a better team than Texas. Unless you find close wins against Ball State impressive?

Texas might beat Northwestern today on a neutral field, but Early Season Texas was a special breed of awful.

 

[MNIrishman]

One-dimensional teams are not legit on offense.

Clemson yes, but we lost and our defensive line and OL got MANHANDLED the majority of the the game.

So basically, the game would be a toss up, but considering how porous ND has been defensively at times, particularly early in the last two games, yeah, I would say that UM deserves to be ranked ahead of ND. It likely does not matter in the long run, but right now, they ARE playing better than ND...ever so slightly.

So you're saying an undefeated team averaging nearly 40 points a game is... What? Offensively inept? So when the Irish won the national championship with the option, what were we then? The illegitimate undefeated best team in the country? You should type less. Your thoughts are best smothered in the cradle.

 

[KPENN]

Fuck you Arkansas and your fatass coach

 

[philipm31]

TCU and Bama are in control of their games now. Unless KSU can score another one or two TDs, I think they pull away...and get to stay ahead of Baylor because KSU is obviously better than Kansas. Ugh. This could have been a great weekend.

 

[philipm31]

So you're saying an undefeated team averaging nearly 40 points a game is... What? Offensively inept? So when the Irish won the national championship with the option, what were we then? The illegitimate undefeated best team in the country? You should type less. Your thoughts are best smothered in the cradle.

There is a vast difference between being a legitimately well-coached, disciplined team like ND was under Lou and a legitimately explosive offense. That was also 27 years ago, or eons ago.

The simple fact is that Michigan and ND have both played fairly soft schedules, but Michigan has a defense that IS playing MUCH better than ND is.

I mean, Texas, GT and Navy are NOT good wins, and Clemson is only a good loss if they win the ACC, period.

 

[koonja]

KSU and Arkansas have completely shit the bed. Fully expected from Bielema, but KSU's is ridiculous.

 

[philipm31]

And if anyone needs to type less, it is you, my friend, because you literally make no sense. The time zone does NOT make that big of a difference, unless you think that is why ND lost by 3-plus TDs to both USC and ASU...which is NOT the case.

Oh, and when ND beat USC in 12, it was because it was a night game, right??? No. It was because ND was a slightly better team that night.

Wake up already. I said that after 5 games, Michigan would be deserving of jumping us, especially since they have beaten a Top 15 team, while ND has not.

 

[KPENN]

And if anyone needs to type less, it is you, my friend, because you literally make no sense. The time zone does NOT make that big of a difference, unless you think that is why ND lost by 3-plus TDs to both USC and ASU...which is NOT the case.

Oh, and when ND beat USC in 12, it was because it was a night game, right??? No. It was because ND was a slightly better team that night.

Wake up already. I said that after 5 games, Michigan would be deserving of jumping us, especially since they have beaten a Top 15 team, while ND has not.

Yes it does, when you kick off at 12 est as a west coast team it absolutely does. Those other games you listed, no.

 

[Irish Insanity]

There is a vast difference between being a legitimately well-coached, disciplined team like ND was under Lou and a legitimately explosive offense. That was also 27 years ago, or eons ago.

The simple fact is that Michigan and ND have both played fairly soft schedules, but Michigan has a defense that IS playing MUCH better than ND is.

I mean, Texas, GT and Navy are NOT good wins, and Clemson is only a good loss if they win the ACC, period.

And ND has an offense that is playing much better then UofM.

And UNLV, BYU, and Oregon State, pulling them from the west coast, playing an early game, aren't good wins either. And a loss to Utah.

ND ranked currently at 15, and won vs an undefeated Navy. UofM ranked at 18 and won vs an undefeated NW. To jump us they'd have to move up 4 spots more than us. Again, I just don't see it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

And if anyone needs to type less, it is you, my friend, because you literally make no sense. The time zone does NOT make that big of a difference, unless you think that is why ND lost by 3-plus TDs to both USC and ASU...which is NOT the case.

Oh, and when ND beat USC in 12, it was because it was a night game, right??? No. It was because ND was a slightly better team that night.

Wake up already. I said that after 5 games, Michigan would be deserving of jumping us, especially since they have beaten a Top 15 team, while ND has not.

Dude, Vegas will tell you it affects the west coast teams, coming to the east coast, playing an early game. Even in the NFL. Arizona is coming to play in Detroit tomorrow. Game time is 4:25. Not 1 like normal.

 

[GATTACA!]

Horrible missed call on KSU lol