UM Brawl

[Pete]

If I was a head coach I would not want to take that job after Coker gets fired. I don't think it is worth the trouble.

 

[SIUIrish]

Woody Paige on Cold Pizza said they should get rid of the football program entirely. I agree with him on that. That was the most pathetic display I have ever seen in any sport.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Willingham would clean that program up.

You know its funny, I was actually just thinking that. And I'm the biggest Ty basher of them all, but one thing I will say for the guy, something like that would never happen on his watch at any school.

Same for Charlie for that matter. And a few other guys. That's why I kinda hope Miami doesn't bring back Butch Davis, but instead gets a guy like that when Coker's fired. A really strong disciplinarian.

Ironically, the new president of "Da U" actually wants the players to be able to spell Miami from now on, so they may need that kind of coach anyway to be able to recruit a different type of player than Coker, Davis, and Johnson have recruited for years.

 

[domerfor life]

That was a pretty ridiculous scene Saturday. Helmets swinging, players being stomped on and slammed to the ground, numerous punches, etc. They should have suspended just about the whole team.

 

[Bubba]

Thomas may lose his job. As he should, IMO.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6068524

"The university recommends talent for the broadcast, but we ultimately will make the decision," Fuhrman said. They use the term "talent" very loosely.

 

[Seymore]

And since no one was seriously injured, it's ok to not feel bad about it.
I think we all need to just take a step back and laugh at the situation.

It's not Notre Dame.

Your kidding right ?

This got way out of control, way too fast ! Right when I thought it was about to dissolve, you see some jerkoff in orange swinging his helmet into a crowd of blue jerseys, another jerkoff in orange trying to stomp a player on the ground, already getting his ass kicked by half the Cane team. Complete chaos ! To me, it doesn't matter if anyone was seriously hurt or not, they could have been ! Fans, could have been if the situation would have gotten any more out of hand! bullshit like this is occuring more often. The NCAA needs to make a firm statement followed by a severe penalty upon both programs. Nobody wants to see college football being portrayed like foreign soccer games !

 

[jiggafini19]

Woody Paige on Cold Pizza said they should get rid of the football program entirely. I agree with him on that. That was the most pathetic display I have ever seen in any sport.

They've been talking about this for years. No way does it ever happen.

The money involved goes far beyond doing the right thing or making an example.

All of the contrite shock and outrage is lip service. Behind closed doors they're laughing at all of this.

The aura of Miami Football goes far beyond their university hierarchy.

 

[guff]

Personally, I applaud that announcer for saying what he thinks. I think everyone wanted to be that excited about, but they couldn't since they were on national television. I mean, what more can you expect from Miami? The fight made for the most interesting viewing of the day. And since no one was seriously injured, it's ok to not feel bad about it.
I think we all need to just take a step back and laugh at the situation.

It's not Notre Dame.

Svo, after this post I think you need to institute random drug testing for posters.

The NCAA needs to take a good hard look at this program. I think there is definitely a "lack of institutional control".

 

[BGIF]

Miami's Coker should lose job after brawl

Michael Rosenberg/ Special to FOXSports.com
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http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6066906

Larry Coker said he doesn't have many bad days, and this was a bad day. It should also be one of his last days as head football coach at the University of Miami.

If you haven't seen the brawl between Coker's Hurricanes and Florida International, you are missing mayhem seldom seen in American sport. Vince McMahon must be jealous. This was the XFL on amphetamines.

...

After the game, Coker made one of the most astounding statements I have ever read from a coach:
"I think that it will affect the image of our program greatly, but in a positive way," he said, according to the Miami Herald. "I think that when they see the video and they see how it was handled they will be impressed with our players.[/QUOTE]

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Does UM play Virginia Tech? If so, when? I gotta see that. It could be the Main Event of a UFC pay per view.

 

[Pete]

Does UM play Virginia Tech? If so, when? I gotta see that. It could be the Main Event of a UFC pay per view.

3 weeks

 

[tommy]

both these teams should be sitting out a couple games tru its not totaly the coachs fault but where is thier punishment they have a part in it to

 

[jerseyborn1971]

It was announced on ESPN that the UM v Virginia Tech game is now a Tables, Ladders & Chairs match...inside a steel cage! Filthy animals. UM needs to realize the brash, thuggish trash-talking days are over. Most of the good players who plan on playing in the NFL realize they have to act in a professional, civilized manner even in college to make themselves more attractive to NFL scouts. NFL teams have learned their lesson with some of the "questionable character" guys they have drafted.

 

[ChiND]

This is actually refreshing to see....Lamar was out of control!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628184

Glad someone got this right!

 

[tommy]

well i think every one knew that was coming chiND

 

[Bubba]

This is actually refreshing to see....Lamar was out of control!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628184

Glad someone got this right!

ESPN better be careful, Thomas might just fly across that ocean and kick some behind, cause you don't just go around in public talking bad about a 'cane. He's probably in the elevator now, on his way to Bristol to get him a little piece of that action.

 

[BGIF]

Long Article by Bill Curry Worth The Read

Long Article by Bill Curry Worth The Read

Leadership cadre faces important choices after brawl

By Bill Curry
Special to ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=curry_bill&id=2628276

The phrase "perfect storm" refers to the simultaneous occurrence of events that taken individually would be far less powerful than the result of their chance combination. Such occurrences are rare by their very nature, so that even a slight change in any one event contributing to the perfect storm would lessen its overall impact.
The melee that erupted in the third quarter of the Florida International-Miami game Saturday was a perfect storm. A complex matrix of factors was involved and is being trumpeted across the sports and educational landscape: The campuses of the two teams are nine miles apart, the Miami team is in a frustrating period, UM coach Larry Coker is under fire, the Canes' reputation for thuggery seems to be returning, and the weaker opponent started the fight. The debacle is the subject of much evaluation and moralizing. It has evoked heartfelt apologies from FIU and Miami coaches and officials, and disciplinary action from each school and conference.


The aftermath is predictable except for one aspect. We are acting as if we are surprised. How could rational thinkers possibly be surprised? The surprise should be that we do not have more unbridled violence in our sports. We live in a culture that celebrates belligerence like we once celebrated religious holidays. We live in a culture in which a large percentage of fathers have abdicated responsibility to raise their children. We live in a culture in which many parents would rather be friends with their children than disciplinarians of their children.

Our kids play video games that make the FIU-Miami brawl look like a Sunday school picnic. We pack huge arenas to watch grotesque actors impersonate competitive athletes while bashing each other with metal folding chairs and throwing referees out of the rings. We allow our children to listen to song lyrics that call into question the most basic attributes of human decency. We pay millions of dollars to radio talk hawks, who pound away at the fabric of reason and diplomacy. Football fans believe it is their absolute right to scream obscenities into the faces of coaches, coaches' families, players and players' families. At one parent weekend my wife Carolyn attended at the University of Virginia, one of the quarterbacks' mothers asked as they stood on the sidelines, "Do you think these people will boo the quarterback's mom?"


No one is pressing for the solution to this growing menace. No one is putting it into context. "The coach must take responsibility," pontificates the former coach. "Fire the coach!" scream the boosters (who, by the way, always scream, "Fire the coach!"). "I wish the coach would teach my son how to behave," exclaim the parents. The paltry one-game suspension by conference officials would be a bad joke, but is made even worse by certain Miami boosters, who are suggesting that all this is a badge of honor, and "returns Miami to its rightful place in football." "Just what our program needs right now," they crow in their delirium.


The quasi-disciplinary response reminds me of an old story of a community in the North Georgia Blue Ridge Mountains. The twists and turns in the two-lane roads around the secluded village were so severe that cars periodically slid off the pavement and rolled down the mountainside with disastrous consequences. The astute town government met, and over a few mason jars of a locally produced beverage, made a landmark decision. "We gonna do something about this problem with our roads," stated the mayor. "We gonna build a hospital at the bottom of the hill where most of them cars end up."


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Leadership and Prevention[/FONT]
It has been a while since I was in the middle of one of these fights, but once one has been there, one never forgets the fear and adrenaline rush. When you watch the films, it is hard to convince yourself that you actually did the things you did. You watch normally staid, reserved men, including yourself, going absolutely berserk, and you begin to question the whole premise of violent sports.

Then you evaluate, take a hard look at yourself, and realize the truth. This kind of behavior lurks just beneath the surface of competitive athletes -- all the time.

Strong coaches and mature team leaders must come together, discuss their behavior, decide what must be done with the team, get it done, and go on about the business of playing hard and fair. The pitiful penalties will accomplish nothing. If they worked, the Clemson-South Carolina fiasco of 2004 would have been our last such incident.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Two Pains[/FONT]
Here is what must be done to prevent a continued slide into the ugly underside of human nature, and into the backward thinking of the foolish little metaphor above. Based on the tapes, fight participants can be placed rather easily into four categories:



1. Spontaneous: Players who instinctively responded to the first shot, who defended themselves, and then stayed above the fray. They should be commended.
2. Peacemakers: The ones who spent the entire time trying hard to break it up. They should be made captains. 3. The Serious Fighters: The ones who started, continued and took the fight to its conclusion. They should be suspended several games, the number of which should correlate to the damage they caused.

4. The Lethal Few: The ones who ran into the fray looking for someone to maim, the ones who hit people in the back of the head, stomped faces, necks, groins and any other unprotected part of defenseless opponents. They should be out for at least one year, perhaps for life, depending on whether they were successful in ending another career, which was their obvious intent. Lest you feel sorry for this group, don't. They are the sociopaths who do not wish to do anything by any rules. To them, there are no innocents, no one exempt from their wrath. If women and children are present, one gets the sense they would just at soon hit them as well. Trust me, this group understands one thing: utter banishment, including the loss of NFL opportunities. Put just one of these guys out of commission, and you probably prevent other similar scenarios in the future.

There are two pains in life, the pain of discipline and the pain of regret. You choose. I choose. At times like this, the entire leadership cadre of organized sport chooses. We are at a crucial juncture. How we choose here will make all the difference in the potential perfect storms to come.

 

[tommy]

this should tricle all the way down to irvin getting canned from espn

 

[jiggafini19]

Isn't that Merriweather kid, the one who was stomping on people, a team captain for Miami?

 

[WalshND]

All of the contrite shock and outrage is lip service. Behind closed doors they're laughing at all of this.

The aura of Miami Football goes far beyond their university hierarchy.

You hit the nail square on the head. I've trolled around on some Cane football forums since this incident occurred, and there seems to a general concesious among a lot of Miami fans. That It's good to see the "swagger" back. Swagger?!?!? Classless program...