Trump Presidency Round 2

[GATTACA!]

The irony. You took a video of a guy saying thank you and immediately giving a "From my heart' gesture and claimed it was a Nazi salute.

So you're agreeing he did do a Nazi salute? That's just not what he meant it to be?

 

[Bishop2b5]

So you're agreeing he did do a Nazi salute? That's just not what he meant it to be?

Gattaca, time for you to let it go and stop trying to spin it. You posted something stupid and dishonest and got hammered for it. Learn a lesson and think the next time and don't post dishonest stuff. Have some integrity and be bigger than that. If you don't, it's going to be a brutal four years for you.

 

[GATTACA!]

Gattaca, time for you to let it go and stop trying to spin it. You posted something stupid and dishonest and got hammered for it. Learn a lesson and think the next time and don't post dishonest stuff. Have some integrity and be bigger than that. If you don't, it's going to be a brutal four years for you.

Again with the holier than thou bullshit.

Spare me.

The defacto president is doing Nazi salutes on accident and you're white knighting for him lol.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Again with the holier than thou bullshit.

Spare me.

The defacto president is doing Nazi salutes on accident and you're white knighting for him lol.

Don't get mad and spin. If you don't like me busting on you, don't say stupid dishonest stuff. Pretty simple. If you do, at least be man enough to take your lumps without whining about it for 3 hours. You're welcome to keep up the "Nazis!" "Fascists!" stuff every time you don't like someone or their politics. I mean it did work well for your side in this last election, right? I'm sure that if you just say it louder and more often it'll work better in the next one.

 

[GATTACA!]

Don't get mad and spin. If you don't like me busting on you, don't say stupid dishonest stuff. Pretty simple. If you do, at least be man enough to take your lumps without whining about it for 3 hours. You're welcome to keep up the "Nazis!" "Fascists!" stuff every time you don't like someone or their politics. I mean it did work well for your side in this last election, right? I'm sure that if you just say it louder and more often it'll work better in the next one.

I didn’t say anything dishonest. You can believe whatever you want.

Also 3 people posting the same boomer Facebook meme doesn’t count as destroying anyone lol.

 

[GATTACA!]

Damn Bishop too bad you're happily married. I think you and this chick would hit it off

 

[Bishop2b5]

I didn’t say anything dishonest. You can believe whatever you want.

Also 3 people posting the same boomer Facebook meme doesn’t count as destroying anyone lol.

Of course you did! You claimed Musk gave a Nazi salute. That is 100% false. He said thank you and gave a "From the heart" gesture, which is not at all uncommon and we've all seen from lots of people a gazillion times, so don't say you're unfamiliar with the gesture. Either you don't realize that and believe it's really a Nazi salute, which makes you dumb and gullible, or you know it wasn't a Nazi salute and claimed it was anyway, which makes you intentionally dishonest. I don't think you're that dumb, so I'm assuming it's the latter, but only you know for sure.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Damn Bishop too bad you're happily married. I think you and this chick would hit it off

Why don't you tell us - don't spin or dodge - just give a straight direct honest answer. Do you really think Musk meant to give a Nazi salute?

 

[GATTACA!]

Why don't you tell us - don't spin or dodge - just give a straight direct honest answer. Do you really think Musk meant to give a Nazi salute?

I think it was certainly intentional. Did he do it because he just loves attention? Or as a dog whistle to the only demographic that doesn't hate him at this point? Who knows.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I think it was certainly intentional. Did he do it because he just loves attention? Or as a dog whistle to the only demographic that doesn't hate him at this point? Who knows.

I'll give you credit for giving a straight answer, but I can't believe you just admitted that. Gattaca, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: it wasn't a Nazi salute. It wasn't a dog whistle. It wasn't anything sinister or anything else like that. It was just a common gesture of appreciation from a socially awkward guy with Asperger's. That you believe otherwise is just baffling. I genuinely thought for the past few hours that you just got caught in a dishonest moment and couldn't admit it. I don't know what to say if you really believe he was intentionally giving a Nazi salute. I'm stunned.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'll give you credit for giving a straight answer, but I can't believe you just admitted that. Gattaca, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: it wasn't a Nazi salute. It wasn't a dog whistle. It wasn't anything sinister or anything else like that. It was just a common gesture of appreciation from a socially awkward guy with Asperger's. That you believe otherwise is just baffling. I genuinely thought for the past few hours that you just got caught in a dishonest moment and couldn't admit it. I don't know what to say if you really believe he was intentionally giving a Nazi salute. I'm stunned.

You're surprised I think a guy that just threw his support behind a far right German political candidate might have sinister intentions? The guy in the hip pocket of the President that is pardoning proud boys?

You're very naive Bishop.

 

[Irish#1]

I mean the first war on drugs was a disaster for lower class citizens of every country involved. I’m also failing to see how bombing Mexico or whatever would help lower class citizens.

The cartels are not dumb hillbillies with AK -47’s. Sending a military force into Mexico without proper intelligence ie the cooperation of Mexican authorities could prove to be a disaster. The problem with that is the insane levels of corruption inherent in the Mexican government at all levels. If one wants to tackle the cartels I would argue going after their financial assets is the cheapest, safest and easiest approach.

What might actually help here in the US? Universal Healthcare including mental health services.

Because the first war on drugs wasn't a success doesn't mean this one can't be.

You're assuming:
1. Trump will send a military force into Mexico without any cooperation from Mexico.
2. Trump will send a force in without intelligence.
3. Trump won't go after their money.
4. Trump isn't aware of the corruption in Mexico
5. Trump is just going to start bombing Mexico.

I'm petty confident that the U.S. has had a pretty good handle on how things operate in Mexico, long before Trump took office. I would imagine that any effort is going to be a comprehensive effort and not just sending the military in to bomb some drug labs.

 

[Irish#1]

Based on a couple tech podcasts I follow AI companies are presently burning through tens of billions to earn back millions and they have hit a plateau in terms of the language learning models.

“For context, OpenAI spends $7 billion on training its AI models and an additional $1.5 billion on staffing while generating $3.5 billion in revenue.”

A leaked document suggests OpenAI will hit AGI when it builds an AI system that can generate up to $100 billion in profit — but the ChatGPT maker could endure a massive $44 billion loss before seeing profit in 2029 partly due to Microsoft tie-up

OpenAI will hit AGI when it develops an AI system generating $100 billion in profit.

www.windowscentral.com

Seems like a bad business model.

We shall se.

Might be a bad business model, but it's here to stay. I work in tech and every day, I get bombarded with emails and phone calls from companies wanting to assist us in implementing AI within our infrastructure. OpenAI may fold or the may not, but AI is white hot and there are thousands of companies most have not heard of that have AI to offer.

 

[Irish#1]

Car prices are going to go bonkers with 25% tariffs

They have been for years. This isn't the fault of any particular president.

 

[Irish#1]

Elon Musk responds to backlash over gesture at Donald Trump rally

The billionaire says his critics "need better dirty tricks" after a gesture likened to a Nazi salute.

www.bbc.com

Who knew?!

 

[NDVirginia19]

Again with the holier than thou bullshit.

Spare me.

The defacto president is doing Nazi salutes on accident and you're white knighting for him lol.

I personally think the Democrats should keep up the labeling Trump and his allies as Nazis at every corner. That worked so well in the election!

 

[Bluto]

Because the first war on drugs wasn't a success doesn't mean this one can't be.

You're assuming:
1. Trump will send a military force into Mexico without any cooperation from Mexico.
2. Trump will send a force in without intelligence.
3. Trump won't go after their money.
4. Trump isn't aware of the corruption in Mexico
5. Trump is just going to start bombing Mexico.

I'm petty confident that the U.S. has had a pretty good handle on how things operate in Mexico, long before Trump took office. I would imagine that any effort is going to be a comprehensive effort and not just sending the military in to bomb some drug labs.

1. You’re completely missing the point in Mexico. You can have all the government “cooperation” you want but the fact of the matter is the cartels are ingrained in every level of the Mexican government, economy and society.

2. See above.

3. He didn’t in his first term.

4. He seems misinformed about many things.

5. Probably not.

Again, given all the above this seems like a bunch of brash talk. The Mexican government went to war with the Narcos for 20 some odd years and it lead to a dramatic escalation of the chaos and killing and the cartels are still there. History has shown that the odds of eradicating these guys with force is slim to none.

Anyhow, another policy that would help the situation would be reforms on American gun manufacturing. The cartels get the majority of their firearms from US dealers.

 

[Bluto]

They have been for years. This isn't the fault of any particular president.

Trump is in office. It’s all his fault.

Am I doing that right?

Probably not considering I didn’t post a link to some crack pot on twitter.

 

[RDU Irish]

Would be nice, but they will just pop up again under new a new leader. Could put a temporary dent to their operations tho.

Wouldn't want any service members names to get put out their as the cartels have a lot of members inside the US and would worry for their families

You are right - we shouldn't do anything because the cartels are mean and don't play nice. Make "Cartel" in a resume the most deadly job on Earth and maybe that rhetoric reverses.

I mean the first war on drugs was a disaster for lower class citizens of every country involved. I’m also failing to see how bombing Mexico or whatever would help lower class citizens.

The cartels are not dumb hillbillies with AK -47’s. Sending a military force into Mexico without proper intelligence ie the cooperation of Mexican authorities could prove to be a disaster. The problem with that is the insane levels of corruption inherent in the Mexican government at all levels. If one wants to tackle the cartels I would argue going after their financial assets is the cheapest, safest and easiest approach.

What might actually help here in the US? Universal Healthcare including mental health services.

Yes - drug abusers are one therapist away from sobriety. Or maybe you are saying people abused by cartels just need a good counselor to cope with it.

The Cartel empathy from the Slava Ukraine crowd is very unsurprising.

 

[Irish#1]

1. You’re completely missing the point in Mexico. You can have all the government “cooperation” you want but the fact of the matter is the cartels are ingrained in every level of the Mexican government, economy and society.

2. See above.

3. He didn’t in his first term.

4. He seems misinformed about many things.

5. Probably not.

Again, given all the above this seems like a bunch of brash talk. The Mexican government went to war with the Narcos for 20 some odd years and it lead to a dramatic escalation of the chaos and killing and the cartels are still there. History has shown that the odds of eradicating these guys with force is slim to none.

Anyhow, another policy that would help the situation would be reforms on American gun manufacturing. The cartels get the majority of their firearms from US dealers.

I'm not missing any point. I'm very well aware of the levels of corruption and what has happened in Mexico. I posted a personal story of a guy I used to work with that had first hand experience with these people. To simply dismiss this as Trump just bombing away with no plan or intelligence, tells me you really don't know what goes on.

I know, let's have negotiations and a peace treaty with the cartels!

 

[Bluto]

Might be a bad business model, but it's here to stay. I work in tech and every day, I get bombarded with emails and phone calls from companies wanting to assist us in implementing AI within our infrastructure. OpenAI may fold or the may not, but AI is white hot and there are thousands of companies most have not heard of that have AI to offer.

I agree that some level of AI is inevitable.

I just think it’s being way oversold in how useful it will actually be as well as ongoing problems with hallucinations and energy consumption.

I think most of those servers in the article you linked will in reality end up being used for cloud storage services (Microsoft Sharepoint and what not) with some maybe helpful AI tools integrated.

We’ll see.

 

[Bluto]

You are right - we shouldn't do anything because the cartels are mean and don't play nice. Make "Cartel" in a resume the most deadly job on Earth and maybe that rhetoric reverses.



Yes - drug abusers are one therapist away from sobriety. Or maybe you are saying people abused by cartels just need a good counselor to cope with it.

The Cartel empathy from the Slava Ukraine crowd is very unsurprising.

No. I’m saying comprehensive healthcare services would probably go a long way in reducing drug consumption. The US is far and away one of the biggest consumers of drugs and has been for some time.

You seem like you’re kinda smart about some things but really fucking dumb about others.

 

[RDU Irish]

I agree that some level of AI is inevitable.

I just think it’s being way oversold in how useful it will actually be as well as ongoing problems with hallucinations and energy consumption.

I think most of those servers in the article you linked will in reality end up being used for cloud storage services with some maybe helpful AI tools integrated.

I know a number of people who use AI to do most of their work-from-home job so they can work a few hours per week for full time pay.

Have to love the irony of "learn to code" coal miners fueling the energy need for that AI supercenter that is putting coders out of work as we speak.

 

[RDU Irish]

No. I’m saying comprehensive healthcare services would probably go a long way in reducing drug consumption. The US is far and away one of the biggest consumers of drugs and has been for some time.

You seem like you’re kinda smart about some things but really fucking dumb about others.

Our sloven populace is over reliant on magic pills to fix their ills. Doctors are just legalized drug dealers repping the Big Pharma cartel for the most part. At least you are consistent in your support of cartels and terrorists.

 

[Bluto]

I'm not missing any point. I'm very well aware of the levels of corruption and what has happened in Mexico. I posted a personal story of a guy I used to work with that had first hand experience with these people. To simply dismiss this as Trump just bombing away with no plan or intelligence, tells me you really don't know what goes on.

I know, let's have negotiations and a peace treaty with the cartels!

I see. So some guy told you something and I’m supposed to have faith in the guy who’s big accomplishment last go around was a tax cut for the rich? Makes sense.

I’ve known a bunch of “those” people over the years as well. Some were even relatives. Not sure what that proves.

What I said is the previous approach of solely using force as a permanent solution has been proven not to work.

So running it back makes zero sense and that going after finances/white collar crime make sense.

After further consideration of that I feel very confident that Trump won’t do that became that would require plowing more money into the IRS in order to perform audits.

I mean, lots to be skeptical about.

 

[RDU Irish]

I see. So some guy told you something and I’m supposed to have faith in the guy who’s big accomplishment last go around was a tax cut for the rich? Makes sense.

I’ve known a bunch of “those” people over the years as well. Some were even relatives. Not sure what that proves.

What I said is the previous approach of solely using force as a permanent solution has been proven not to work.

So running it back makes zero sense and that going after finances/white collar crime make sense.

After further consideration of that I feel very confident that Trump won’t do that became that would require plowing more money into the IRS in order to perform audits.

I mean, lots to be skeptical about.

You are put in charge of dealing with the cartels. What are your top goals and what would you do?

 

[drayer54]

He's the boogyman the right accused George Soros of being x1000.

No way. He's just an autistic nerd who bought tickets to the party. He's had actual contributions to society and isn't wrecking cities with targeted lunatics in local roles designed to cause chaos. No serious person considers him a nazi. He is just a weird rich guy.

 

[drayer54]

You're surprised I think a guy that just threw his support behind a far right German political candidate might have sinister intentions? The guy in the hip pocket of the President that is pardoning proud boys?

You're very naive Bishop.

If this is the best fake shot the left has after his start, we are sitting just fine. Its like the Kill Tony fake Puerto Rico outrage.

You are put in charge of dealing with the cartels. What are your top goals and what would you do?

We just saw what they would do for four years. Open the floodgates and brazenly lie about it.

 

[RDU Irish]

You’re full of it. I’ve never said one culture is superior to another and I don’t believe any are. It just happens that today the vast majority of today’s terrorists are Muslin from the ME. Don’t know why that is so hard for you to comprehend.

And for the record, as I’ve posted before, I will remind you that my staff is and has always been quite diverse in ethnicities, racial and gender makeup. Currently it’s three ladies, one lesbian, one Hispanic and one ME descent (not Muslim) out of ten. The one of ME descent is not the one of Muslim fate I mentioned before.

Soooo is that three females or four?

 

[Irish#1]

I see. So some guy told you something and I’m supposed to have faith in the guy who’s big accomplishment last go around was a tax cut for the rich? Makes sense.

I’ve known a bunch of “those” people over the years as well. Some were even relatives. Not sure what that proves.

What I said is the previous approach of solely using force as a permanent solution has been proven not to work.

So running it back makes zero sense and that going after finances/white collar crime make sense.

After further consideration of that I feel very confident that Trump won’t do that became that would require plowing more money into the IRS in order to perform audits.

I mean, lots to be skeptical about.

Here's your problem. You want to dismiss this new war on drugs based on the fact the first time was pretty much a failure, which I agree with. That doesn't mean going after them again won't have a measure of success. You're the one who mentioned only using force. So much has changed in the way of technologies since then that we can have better results than previously and that includes going after them financially. You may not agree, but if we could reduce illegal drugs by 25%, I would call the investment a success.

"Some guy"! That statement tells me you don't believe me. That's a shame but it tells me, I'm beating my head against a brick wall trying to discuss the merits of the war on drugs. I spoke to Humberto Sanchez first hand. You could see the terror in his eyes and in his voice when he talked about it. You can find my fictional guy him on LinkedIN. Just scroll down and you'll find IVC Industrial Coatings. That's who we worked for at the time of the attempted kidnapping.

I will close by saying I don't condone financial/white collar crime, but the illegal drug problem has a much greater impact on our citizens/society than the other.